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Old 03-28-2012, 08:10 PM   #1
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Headlights!!! AGAIN

ok...so....acting on advice given to me.....

I have decided after a year of Jeep ownership that my headlights & fog lights totally suck. I'm looking at replacing them. I've already done a search, so please don't tell me to do that. Didn't really help me out as much as I thought. It seems the consensus is the Silver Stars suck. Ok, so my question is....Those of you who have replaced them, what did you replace them with? I've read quite a few posts on the phillips xp +80s.....

I'm asking this because I would like to replace them by myself WITHOUT the help of the hubby.

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2012 Jeep Wrangler: Installing New Headlights

Full instructions and part list. If you look further back in their long term test, you will see the lighting results.

I am not saying this is the best system, but it appears way better than stock or any bulb only upgrade.

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ok...so....acting on advice given to me.....

I have decided after a year of Jeep ownership that my headlights & fog lights totally suck. I'm looking at replacing them. I've already done a search, so please don't tell me to do that. Didn't really help me out as much as I thought. It seems the consensus is the Silver Stars suck. Ok, so my question is....Those of you who have replaced them, what did you replace them with? I've read quite a few posts on the phillips xp +80s.....

I'm asking this because I would like to replace them by myself WITHOUT the help of the hubby.
PM Hilldweller. He can give you better lighting advice than anyone here.
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2012 Jeep Wrangler: Installing New Headlights

Full instructions and part list. If you look further back in their long term test, you will see the lighting results.

I am not saying this is the best system, but it appears way better than stock or any bulb only upgrade.
Holy shit. Your link just made me realize that I never re-attached my turn signals.

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Old 03-28-2012, 11:02 PM   #7
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I mucked about for about 8 months trying to do it on the cheap.
I read Hilldwellers reports in amazement, and read more his link to Dan Stern.

$400 later I have the best headlights on earth...or at least far better than anything I've ever had in over 50 years of licensed driving. I've never gone with the custom harness and whole reflector upgrade before. Don't repeat my mistake.

His headlights were so good, I also upgraded to DSterns *REAL* fog lights. Simply amazing.

Might be easy enough to DIY....but I paid local tekkies $60 to do the stuff I wasn't sure about.

It's money well spent....unlike the Philips +80s that were some better but remained inadequate for my needs.

Search for Hilldweller, he posted lots on lighting about a year ago. Or google Daniel Stern Lighting Consultants and read his stuff direct.

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Old 03-28-2012, 11:36 PM   #8
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That's what I'm going with as soon as I can embezzle the $300 from my CFO.

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How bad does the H4 shorten Bulb Life?

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I mucked about for about 8 months trying to do it on the cheap.
I read Hilldwellers reports in amazement, and read more his link to Dan Stern.

$400 later I have the best headlights on earth...or at least far better than anything I've ever had in over 50 years of licensed driving. I've never gone with the custom harness and whole reflector upgrade before. Don't repeat my mistake.

His headlights were so good, I also upgraded to DSterns *REAL* fog lights. Simply amazing.

Might be easy enough to DIY....but I paid local tekkies $60 to do the stuff I wasn't sure about.

It's money well spent....unlike the Philips +80s that were some better but remained inadequate for my needs.

Search for Hilldweller, he posted lots on lighting about a year ago. Or google Daniel Stern Lighting Consultants and read his stuff direct.

Consider it a present you give yourself.
So your talking about the Cibie H4 I take it. I remember laboring through pages and hearing some people having there bulbs burn out very fast with the H4 upgrade with the Philips 80 bulbs if I remember right. Is that the case with these too and/or is there a best bulb to counter act this low life?

TIP: I remember the tip to not touch the bulb with your finger because the oil will shorten the life by a good amount.

QUESTION: Is it legal to run with your fog lights on if it is not foggy?
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The law here says something like you can have no more than 4 white lights on the front. Do I think it's silly to drive around with more than 2 lights on in town when it's clear, yup. Another thing I really dislike are HID's, those really bright lights stink for oncoming traffic.
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After reading Hilldweller's review on the new Trucklight LED headlights I think I'm going with those myself when I have the money. He seemed to actually like this version and it would avoid the H4 bulb burnout problem. I'm running the phillips XP 80's for now and they're definitely better than stock, but coming from a vehicle that had bi-xenon lights..........."better than stock" is still pretty poor.
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Old 03-29-2012, 10:19 AM   #13
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I've had my DStern H4s in now about 5 months. No trouble yet.

I'm sure the new reflectors are responsible for much of the improvement.

And while the bulbs are higher wattage, the reflector unit has built-in cut off so the oncoming traffic doesn't take the BRIGHT hit.

Very important, is the RE-AIM procedure as described by DStern. I found mine were giving the tree tops extra illumination. What I found in the aiming process, was how important that 3" difference was, in getting maximum light where it does the most good, without glare for oncoming.

I also chose the custom harness despite it's cost. Additional current flow to the bulbs require heavier wires. I learned this the hard way years ago, and it was very expensive to repair, even in a pre-computerized electrical system. Not to mention the tow bill. Or the inconvenience. Did I mention the cost of the repair?

There's a ton of choices out there, and I ain't no expert.

What I am, is a very satisfied customer, based on research and results of a given product. YMMV. Chose wisely.
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+1 to the above.....the Cibie reflectors are A1. Sometimes people put too much emphasis on the bulb itself....raging light, poorly focused, can be a liability IMHO
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Don't do it!
Not even considering the fact that it's illegal ( who cares anyway) the real problem is the fact that your Jeep will hate you for it and will show it to you by burning through bulbs which are pretty expensive may i add and also u'd need a projector headlight if u wanna see something at night and not blind the oncoming traffic 'coz the beam with the stock headlights will be all over the place just not where u want it-the road ahead
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THIS has become a very long read but has all the answers to JK headlights.

Legal ones.

Don't buy that hideous HID kit.
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Don't do it!
Not even considering the fact that it's illegal ( who cares anyway) the real problem is the fact that your Jeep will hate you for it and will show it to you by burning through bulbs which are pretty expensive may i add and also u'd need a projector headlight if u wanna see something at night and not blind the oncoming traffic 'coz the beam with the stock headlights will be all over the place just not where u want it-the road ahead

That's what these are, a projector. I take it you didn't read this thread I posted and the corresponding "review" thread?? This guy seems to have done his homework and will get better as he sells kits. His is a TRUE HID replacement, not cheap at over $200 but definitely cheaper than Trucklite LED's or something. He includes new housing, projector, CANBUS cancellor, digital ballasts and bulbs, all built to order and ready to install in your Jeep. Technically they are off road use only but who knows any better, as long as your not blinding everyone else.

BTW HID bulbs ARE NOT expensive.

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THIS has become a very long read but has all the answers to JK headlights.

Legal ones.

Don't buy that hideous HID kit.
I, for one, welcome different options for our Jeep JK headlights. The Trucklites are nice but too expensive IMO. I def wouldn't call the HID kit I posted hideous. The guy pieces together everything you need to CORRECTLY run HID's, builds them and ships them to you. The only thing is the legality issue. My state, AZ, is very leniant on this topic and we do not have vehicle "inspections" just emission test every so often, which headlights and the like are not checked. I am sure there are some other states that don't check as well, so these could be a viable option for some.

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If you want to upgrade to H4's, and a bypass harness, you can do this without hubby's help. Last year I assisted a female surgeon to do this and she was ecstatic to do it on her own...very easy.
The Phillips +80's are a good bulb and bright, I've never gotten more than 3 months from them though (but that's 3 months of great lighting). The bulbs are easy to replace though and it all comes down to your driving habits.
There are many improvements coming and you may want to just get better bulbs for now, and do a little more research...what's your budget?
Whatever you do decide on, DO NOT BUY BLUE BULBS.....

BTW..Phillips XT's in H13's last longer than H4's because they are not getting full voltage. H4's with a bypass harness get juice directly from the battery and produce MUCH more light, that's why H4's have a shorter life....MUCH MORE LIGHT. Hope this helps and good luck with your choice.....
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Shell, I just! finished the H-4 headlight up grade, I found it to be very easy to do. The folks at Rallylights.com are very helpful. With there instructions and Krutj’s great write up … http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/rallylight-hella-headlight-upgrade-install-73538.html
It is easy to do in one hour or a little more. The wiring harness is straight forward, basically plug in and go, no wire cutting or anything like that. Hope this may help, good luck
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Thanks for all the responses. I can't afford the $300-$400 upgrade that some were talking about. Anyone that knows me, knows it's hard to convince the hubby to spend $ on the Jeep....new bumpers and tires are on the waaaaay back burner. Probably all I'll be able to get outta him is $ for bulb replacements....
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Tomorrow night, hit something at about 15 mph and say you couldn't see it.

Then order a new bumper and lights.
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Tomorrow night, hit something at about 15 mph and say you couldn't see it.

Then order a new bumper and lights.
Lol....I would be soooo dead the next day if I did that....but I'm considering it
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Lol....I would be soooo dead the next day if I did that....but I'm considering it
Same here.

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Throw in some Sylvania Silver Stars? I did that for a while, they are brighter than the stock bulbs.

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Throw in some Sylvania Silver Stars? I did that for a while, they are brighter than the stock bulbs.

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Hilldweller has said the SS's suck compared to the Phillips XP 80+'s. Or at least that's what I read into it in his comparison of the two.
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HID's when they have projectors are not that bad. It's the people that have HID's without the projectors that blind you. I have a co-worker that has a Ford Excursion that runs 10k HID's without projectors along with matching fogs. I cuss him every chance I get
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Hilldweller has said the SS's suck compared to the Phillips XP 80+'s. Or at least that's what I read into it in his comparison of the two.
Well if hilldweller said that... Silver Stars are an improvment over the stock headlights, regardless.

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HID's when they have projectors are not that bad. It's the people that have HID's without the projectors that blind you. I have a co-worker that has a Ford Excursion that runs 10k HID's without projectors along with matching fogs. I cuss him every chance I get
Correct, high end luxury cars with HID's are in a projector, that's why an Escalade behind you wont blind you at night. Aren't the 10,000 purple? IMO you should never run a color above 6K. Once you reach 8k, 10K, 12K you start significantly reducing light output and looking stupid to boot.

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