After saving $$$ for the past year and a half. I am finally modifying my Jeep, and I need some help. I am not mechanically inclined so bare with me.
I have a 2008 Wrangler X with the S package which added options including the 17 inch alloy wheels.
To date, this is what I have ordered in the past week:
Rugged Ridge Modular XHD front and rear bumper in powder coat black
Rugged Ridge XHD rear tire rack
Rugged Ridge 4 inch tubular side steps
Front skid plate
Rough Country 3.25 inch suspension lift kit
Rough Country Perf. Dual Stabilizer
1.5 inch wheel spacers to accomodate running my stock rims with 35 inch tires
Most of these things have either arrived in the past few days or are hopefully being shipped soon, but I have some questions.
I believe my gear ratio is 3.73. I plan to run 35s which will be a 3 inch increase over the stock 32s. Do I need to start considering upgrading my gear ratio to 4.10 or higher to accomodate the 35s? I don't want my JK to be a slug on the road. It is my only vehicle and I will be using it mostly for regular highway driving.
I believe my gear ratio is 3.73. I plan to run 35s which will be a 3 inch increase over the stock 32s. Do I need to start considering upgrading my gear ratio to 4.10 or higher to accomodate the 35s? I don't want my JK to be a slug on the road. It is my only vehicle and I will be using it mostly for regular highway driving.
Is it an auto or manual. If manual you can probably get by with 3.73. But check your sticker, unless you got the tow package or optional gearing it came with 3.21 gears.
Sorry, It's a 6 speed manual... I don't have the window sticker unfortunately and I don't know how else to figure it out. I rechecked online and found this website
I misread it the first time. After 2007, They changed the front axle ratio from 3.21 to 3.73 in the 2008. The rear remained 3.21 in the DANA 35. But then it reads in the DANA 44 "In 2008, the only optional factory gear ratio available is now 3.73."
I just went out and crawled under my Jeep...my rear axle definately looks like the DANA 44 as pictured on that website I linked
For 35's I would probably look at 4.88 gear ratio. You could get by with 4.10. But 4.88 will give you a good amount of power without sacrificing too much in mpg. 4.10s will give you the best mileage but you will notice the loss in power.
Might also, if you can afford it, look into get a superchips flashpaq for your Jeep. That will help with power and overall performance of your Jeep
I agree.
But I don't think they'll fit if you have 3.21's stock; you should run your vin at a dealer to make sure what's in there first.
If you've got 3.21's, you might want to order a d44 front axle with 4.88's and only need to regear the rear.
Also a great opportunity to add a locker while it's apart.
So I just called the dealer, they ran my vin...and disappointed to say, I have 3.21 gears:banghead::banghead::banghead:. I have a small mountain of boxes in my garage of parts to lift my Jeep 3.25 inches, put 35s, side rails, bumpers....ect. all ready to be put on this week.
Anyone know How much is it gonna run me to upgrade my gear ratio to atleast 4.10 or preferably 4.88??
See how it drives post lift and tires. You will still probably want to regear it but thats not something that has to be done immediately. 4.88's go for about $170 on quadratec but I have no I idea how much it would cost to have them put in.
Is this what I need to order? It looks like this fits into the D44 rear and D30 front differentials. Then find some auto shop to install it, cause I know I am not skilled enough to rip my differentials open
Well I just called a few automotive shops in the area, they actually recommended me to go right thro Chrysler/Jeep Dealer. Sounds like it might be a pretty costly and complex step. I called my local Jeep dealer and they are gonna look into what itll cost in labor to put those 4.88 gears into the D44 and D30.
I am suppose to call them back tomorrow morning to find out.
Ive found several websites that say the 2008 Wrangler X only came factory 3.73 axle ratio, or 4.10 tow package....
However the Jeep Dealer says my 2008 has a 3.21....hmmm
In addition to regearing the D30 and D44 to 4.88. If I do have a 3.21 stock.... Looks like I also have to order a new carrier to allow the usage of 4.88 gears with the D30.
FML...everytime I find one thing, it requires another. This is gonna cost me $$$$
However the Jeep Dealer says my 2008 has a 3.21....hmmm
In addition to regearing the D30 and D44 to 4.88. If I do have a 3.21 stock.... Looks like I also have to order a new carrier to allow the usage of 4.88 gears with the D30.
FML...everytime I find one thing, it requires another. This is gonna cost me $$$$
That all sounds correct to me, I have an 08 and I got the tow package which upgraded the gears from 3.21 to 3.73.. The only 08s that have 4.10s are Rubicons.
Seeing as you have a manual, I would go ahead and do the lift and tires and see how it drives. It will probably be like starting in 2nd and 6th will be useless, but other than that it will probably be OK until you can sort the gearing out. If it really drives that bad you can put the stock tires back on until you get the gears.
Thanks for the input. I will go that route. Run the 35s with factory gearing until I can upgrade to 4.88. I may do the superchip as well. I'll have myself a decent machine and about 5k less in my wallet lol
Superchips is great idea, I run 35's with stock gearing but I have the superchips tuner and it really picks up the slack. As for the gearing issues call Dave at Northridge 4x4 (360) 340-0282 and they can answer all your gearing questions.
Mine is a 08 X that came with 3.07's it was a dog,even with 32's.Mileage was ok with them and 32's @ 15 mpg then got it lifted new gears (4.88's) and 35's now mileage is right at 13 but I can use 6th gear now.You will be upgrading soon 'just a guess
I'd still take the opportunity to get a new front axle if you're set on the idea of 35's.
I'll pm Antigoon and have him chime in for you; he's a retired driveline engineer and is the authority on this stuff around here. The rest of us are amateurs...
First of all ..whatever you do it will cost you some $$.. The end result should be one you like .. Indeed there are Jeepers who have a 3.21 and are running 35" tires with a manual tranny..Will it work YES..will you do damage.. NO.. will you be satisfied as a Jeeper..NO
To do it right you have the choice to go to 4.10 or 4.88.. A 4.10 is a min to go for..All depends what kind of off roading you plan on doing..
If mileage is no issue.. go with the 4.88
Following most of these threads I noticed that NO one complained about a "over gearing" condition..A lot are saying, I wish I went up a notch.. So my choice is the 4.88...(I have a 3.21 as well and once I decide on re-gearing I will go for the 4.88..
Another word of caution.. Don't try to do this yourself..This is more then just replacing some gears..You need to measure some key dimensions in order to select the right shims assuring a proper gear bearing pattern otherwise you will have premature wear and noise. Also you need to have the right tools and knowledge to do this job the right way..Therefore, find a good and reliable re-gearing shop.. I understand this will not be cheap.. But we love Jeeping so the $$ "shock" is part of the "no pain, no gain" equation..
Nobody has mentioned your 3 1/4" lift, for a daily driver
Your U-joints/shifting/alignment/steering are all going to be affected, some a lot. some a little, but be advised that you're in for a long heavy maintenance program, which is normal-if you expect it
Wow. Thanks alot for all the info. I really appreciate it. You guys are awesome. unk:
I expected the lift to add some changes and issues with the steering, alignment ect. I purchased the dual stablilizer from rough country that will hopefully help with some of this. I am not nieve tho.....I know that this is going to be a completely different vehicle once it's put together.
And my nightmare continues...lol. I really hope I don't end up regretting buying all this stuff. LOL. I don't want to open up a bottomless can of worms.
I have the Perf. Dual Stabilizer sitting in a box in my garage. Your opinion is not to use it?
What would you recommend to help with steering ect....
I agree; the dual stabilizer is too much of a good thing. If you have that much rebound to dampen, there has to be something terribly terribly wrong...
Well, since your's is a 2dr, HD probably has more info on your steering, but
You've never mentioned any steering probs, if the roof don't leak--don't fix it
The steering stab is just a shock absorber, to DAMPEN any vibrations or excess play you MAY have in your steering-are you having steering probs, if so, your prob is more than the steering stab------
He has to do a good research on caster and toe settings and their effects on the scrub radius and pneumatic trail..
As a starter keep the caster to the min of the spec..3.7 degr. TOE aim for zero or slight toe in.. These bigger tires will give you enough grooving feel.
Get a proper alignment done after install.. Let them adjust the control arms to dial in the caster.. Then you have an immediate alignment recheck..With this kind of lift, check your pinion angles as well. Hope the kit comes with adjustable control arms and adjustable track bar ...Might look into the steering bump issue as well and be sure the track bar runs parallel with the drag-link (the centerlines from joint to joint) might have to install some braces..
Last but not least have your new tires road force balanced..and be sure the track bar is properly clamped (right torque etc..)
Do some searches here .. lots of info in several threads on this issue and DW as well..
Yes I haven't mentioned any steering problems....but that is because my Jeep is still stock. Everything I listed is sitting in boxes in my garage. I bought the steering stabilizer because I THOUGHT it would be necessary or atleast recommended once I actually lift 3.25" and add 35s.
I am planning to Lift, add 35s. bumpers ect this coming monday (fingers crossed). I could simply not put on the steering stabilizer and send it back?
I'm sorry, I'm jumping the gun, because I don't work, but
These guys may have a diff. opinion, but I would NEVER use that dual-stab, I don't know if you can send it back and I wouldn't keep it "IN CASE" you have trouble
Now as far as USanti says, your alignment is of MONUMENTAL importantance, I lucked out, because
My Rubi came with BFG M/Ts 32" and always "hunted" a tiny bit on the freeway, at 70 mph
Now with the new LT295/75x16 Hankook Dynapros-a full 33+++ in tire-
Since they increased my "toe-in", now the steering is rocksolid at 70 on the freeway, sometimes good things happen !!
I almost wish I had just gone with a 2.5 inch lift. ran 33's and then not had to deal with all the regearing, steering stablizing, superchiping. ect ect ect ect
As it turns out....my lift IS a 2.5 suspension lift with added .75 inch coil spacers. So if I just dont put on the coil spacers...I can run the 33s without it looking unproportionate instead. Deal with 3.21 gearing and save the $$ AND stress of regearing.
What do ya guys think about that.
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