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Old 04-21-2013, 11:59 AM   #1
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Help: first time soft top install

Just installed my soft top yesterday for the first time. All went together fairly smooth but I noticed in the top corner of each door where it meets the door surround there is a small gap. Picture is posted below. Both sides look the same. Note the sun rider top is pulled back so it might look a little worse. How can I fix this? Would adjusting the door surround help?
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:33 AM   #2
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BUMP.


Had rain last night and woke up to water down the inside of both doors. Not where I thought it would be a problem. Water was running down to both door handles!! Any help would be greatly appreciated. Top seems to fit fine..

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Old 04-24-2013, 08:42 AM   #3
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Are the cables going around the door will retainers properly? You could try taking off and putting the retainers back on or loosening the rear bolt, pulling out on the rear part to make a better seal with the door as you tighten it down
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Just a hunch. There is a peg on the door surrounds that fits into a hole along the sides of the bed (where the hard top normally screws into). I've accidentally installed the rails without the peg dropped in correctly, and it caused a bit of gap in the top, and some pretty bad vibration at highway speed.
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Post a picture of the outside area as well. This might help us help you.
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:59 AM   #6
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What kind of soft top?
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Old 04-24-2013, 09:55 AM   #7
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The surrounds were loose when I originally installed. They would rattle against the roll bar. I added some heavy duty tape to the inside of the door surround that goes around the roll bar. It stopped the rattle and created a much tighter fit and pushed the surround out towards the door a bit. I'm wondering in the weather stripping/foam at the front of each surround is the problem. It is pushing itself down into the rain gutter area of the surround and it looks like its causing the water to build up right where the foam is laying in the gutter. I'm thinking its either that or the door is not fitting tightly along the surround.

The cable thing has me interested. I wasn't aware it had to be seated in a certain spot..it seems like its holding each side of the top down tightly. The top is just the stock soft top that comes with the dual top option. I will add pictures at a later time as I'm at work right now.
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Old 04-24-2013, 09:56 AM   #8
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I'm installing mine this weekend. So I'm intrigued.
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:22 AM   #9
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I'll attach some photos of both the passenger side and drivers side when the door is closed to show the fit of the top and door surround. The photo of the inside is very minor compared to what it looked like this morning.
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It really sounds like the door surrounds are not installed right. Make sure you have the rear peg going into the hole in the tub, all 3 screws are in along the top of each surround and the surround is lined up correctly at the corners of the windshield. There is no reason the surrounds hound be loose and rattling on the roll bar unless something is installed wrong.
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:43 AM   #11
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It really sounds like the door surrounds are not installed right. Make sure you have the rear peg going into the hole in the tub, all 3 screws are in along the top of each surround and the surround is lined up correctly at the corners of the windshield. There is no reason the surrounds hound be loose and rattling on the roll bar unless something is installed wrong.
The surrounds fit fine after I added padded tape to the inside of the c clips that wrap around the top roll bar. Before that even with the screws installed tightly there would be back and forth play in and out from the roll bar. I'm certain the bottom peg is in correctly as the surround lines up perfectly with the rubber gasket the bottom of the surround sits on.

Does the rain gutter need to be completely open to allow the water to roll forward? If you notice in the one picture the foam from the top of the surround is blocking some of that gutter..
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Am I the only one who thinks that top looks completely wrong?
The surrounds look wrong and so does the soft top itself, it is like it is missing a interior frame bow.

Particularly in the following images.

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Am I the only one who thinks that top looks completely wrong?
The surrounds look wrong and so does the soft top itself, it is like it is missing a interior frame bow.

Particularly in the following images.

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Not sure what you mean. Everything seems to fit and snap in fine. Aside from the loose L brackets which seem to be common. I did fix that from what I can tell.
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If you are adding duct tape and padded tape there is something wrong. Go back tot he dealer and have them look at it. Make sure they did not give you the wrong parts.
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How many bows are in the top right now? It does appear you're missing one.
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Old 04-24-2013, 05:32 PM   #16
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How many bows are in the top right now? It does appear you're missing one.
What do you mean by Bow? Cross members from one side of the top to the other? There is one above the sound bar. From what I can see that's all a 2 door soft top has. There is a door surround around each door with 2 screws. Holding it in place. The water looks to be coming in where the front of the door surround sits in the rubber u shaped gasket. It is absorbing water and allowing it to drip inside the vehicle. I have attached a picture of where it looks to be coming in.
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Check the Qaudratec web site..for a pic of your frame...they show 2 bows...one above the sound bar and one at rear of Jeep...the bows provide the proper tension.
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Here is a picture of the soft top on the day of the install. Personally the soft top looks complete as the bow in the back and the one across the sound bar are both present. I personally think it has to do with the way the surrounds fit and the foam on the bottom of the bracket that sits in the 'mucket' absorbing water.
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are the surrounds on the correct side?
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are the surrounds on the correct side?
No offense but do you think I'm a complete idiot? LOL.

I'm certain the surrounds are on the correct side. If they weren't the windows wouldn't fit correctly or anything. After doing some research my 'leak from the cheap foam' on the door surround doesn't seem to be the only one occurring. I will take it into the dealership to see if they have any fix for it (its still has a few weeks of warranty left). If not I have purchased some new weather stripping to add to the cheap water absorbing stuff thats on there right now. The rubber 'mucket' that the surround sits in near the windshield is somewhat loose against the foam. I think the foam is just getting worn out.

I will also attempt to re-seat the door surrounds to ensure they're fitting correctly.
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If you are adding duct tape and padded tape there is something wrong. Go back tot he dealer and have them look at it. Make sure they did not give you the wrong parts.
^ this
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I have a 2010 JKU and it had a recall on my soft top. The bar that runs across the front bowed up causing it not to fit right, excessive wind noise, and leaking like you are describing. I do agree with the others as well that added tape should not be needed
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Here's a picture of the rubber mucket and foam that sits in it. It's not fully filling the rubber mucket and that looks to be where the water is coming in from. Does it look like a door surround fitting issue or lack of foam? Or both? Thanks.
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I'd like to see pics of how the surrounds are fitting against the windshield (from above looking down) and the body (looking directly at the "seam"), with the top out of the way. Those pics should show if the surrounds are installed correctly.
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I'd like to see pics of how the surrounds are fitting against the windshield (from above looking down) and the body (looking directly at the "seam"), with the top out of the way. Those pics should show if the surrounds are installed correctly.
So a picture from above and a picture from the side with the top back? I can do that when I'm done work (if its not raining...)
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Here's a few pics from top and side without top..

I think it just needs new foam and weather stripping to be honest. Passenger side top foam is in pretty rough shape. I had to glue some of it down.
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That does not look right, your surrounds look like the rear surrounds from a four door or someone has hacked on them.
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There is numerous reasons I know the surrounds are for a 2 door. They have the sun rider clip, the front of the surrounds are lower to allow for the header bar to rest and the c clips/screws match up perfectly. Aside from the part that holds the windows the unlimited door surrounds look quite different. There has been no modification done to the door surrounds what so ever.

What are the chances of the dealership replacing the foam on the entire door surrounds under warranty? or at the very least paying for the foam and allowing me to do it myself?
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I don't know. It does look like your pass door surround is sitting back too far from the windshield frame. I can't really tell about your driver's side.

Did you buy the top used or did it come with your JK? If it came with, how were the door surrounds stored? It almost looks like they might be warped, but it's hard to tell for sure. Do you know anyone locally with a 2 door soft top that might be able to help, perhaps by temporarily swapping door surrounds to see if their's fit better?
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Today they replaced the header seal. They also ordered a new foam kit but It did not come with all the proper foam needed to fix the problem. They decided to just order new door brackets. All under warranty...I'm not complaining.

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