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Old 10-26-2011, 03:59 PM   #1
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HELP? Winter tires issues....

I would really appreciate some support and input on my stumped situation.


Purchased my 2011 Wrangler Sport in May... Upgraded the stock (225/75/16s) to the All-Terrains off the Rubi (255/75/17s). What I didn't know in my new vehicle newb-ism is that apparently all wheels after '08 require pressure sensors? Is this really true?

Looking around my town for 225/75/16 stock tires +rims to downsize for winter the cheapest quote I found were at my local dealers. The rims($130?!) were too costly however so I started to search around for cheaper rims that might fit my jeep from another jeep (I researched the lug sizes- 5"). I phoned in another dealership a few hrs away and asked about tire sizing and he thought it was strange I was going from 17 to 16 even thought I said the 16s were the normal stock size. He said it was strange the dealership didn't even quote me on the fact I'd need NEW sensors for new wheels (I wanted 2 sets so I could flip them myself to save money in the long run)

So according to the other dealership I'd need: new wheels, new rims AND new sensors AND that my jeep would need to be re calibrated every time I switched the tire sizes. I thought the 2 sizes were easily interchangeable on the jeep considering they were both stock options?

I can't afford all this NEW + NEW + NEW. I can afford the jeep just not this extra stuff that noone told me about.. I have basic knowledge of how tires run and sizing etc but I didn't realise all the sensors had to be replaced etc. can someone please clarify that this is in fact correct/incorrect? The fact my dealership hasn't mentioned sensors is worrisome...

Should I just suck it all up and buy wheels size 255/75/17 or 245/75/17 (as quoted by the other dealership that would fit) and flop them every spring+fall, keeping them on the same rims?

Thanks so much, jeepers =)

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This is what I did.

The TPMS is a pretty expensive purchase and can be eliminated. You will need to buy a programmer to set the tire pressure to 0 so that it will not sound any alarms thinking that there is no TPMS.

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The programmer jk'n is talking about is called an AEV Procal. (There are several different brands, but I'll tell you about this one.) It's a diagnostic tool that plugs into your OBDII port...dealerships use similar tools to "read" what's wrong with your Jeep when it comes into the shop.

The Procal costs about $150, but is worth it...it does a number of other things that can come in handy. For your purposes, you can use it to set your TPMS sensors to zero. That will prevent your tire pressure warning light (and the annoying chime) from driving you nuts.

Here is a link to the company that makes it:

American Expedition Vehicles - Brute Kit, V8 HEMI, Aftermarket Jeep Conversions, Suspension Systems, Products, Wheels, Accessories and Highline Kits for Jeeps (TJ, JK, WK, XK).


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You don't NEED the sensors. You don't even NEED the programmer. If you add wheels without sensors, you will have a light on your dash, that's it. The issue with programming when switching back and forth is that you are putting on different size tires. When you do that, your speedometer is off.
Why in the world are you planning on running the stock street tires in the winter? They will be much worse than the Rubi BFG KM's.
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First, as Dagg said - you don't really need the sensors. You'll have a dash light and an initial chime.

I wouldn't consider remounting tires on existing rims in the spring and fall. Too much work and hassle. Look for a set of takeoff's from a sport or sahara (on CL). On CL all the time. Probably $400-$500 for A/T's.
That way you just mount the winter set. Real easy. Check TireRack.com's surveys to see what you are looking at for winter driveability results.
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First, as Dagg said - you don't really need the sensors. You'll have a dash light and an initial chime.

I wouldn't consider remounting tires on existing rims in the spring and fall. Too much work and hassle. Look for a set of takeoff's from a sport or sahara (on CL). On CL all the time. Probably $400-$500 for A/T's.
That way you just mount the winter set. Real easy. Check TireRack.com's surveys to see what you are looking at for winter driveability results.
Or get a cheap steel wheel with your new snows at Tirerack and save on the initial mounting. You dont need "Jeep" branded wheels for your winters at all, and as noted above, you dont even really need the TPMS sensors. Steel wheels at TR are like $60 a pop
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use the same tires year round

Marbles,

Some of the suggestions below sound pretty good. I would go with the reprogramming option so your computer knows what is going on. A warning light is more then just a warning light. Your traction control systems and various other systems use these indications to determine how your vehicle will react under certain driving conditions. If you can eliminate the wheel sensors properly this is a good bet. you want these systems to work for you, not against you.

that being said I run the same tires all year. I have stock size Cooper STT's on my 07 JK. They're good aggressive tires in the mud, last a long time under these light weight vehicles (figure I'll get almost 50k miles out of these) and they work great on snowy/icy roads. Just get some additional siping done at a tire shop. the siping plus the JK computer system will stick you to the road like velcro and you can leave your wheel sensors intact and not have to change tires twice a year.

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Marbles,

Some of the suggestions below sound pretty good. I would go with the reprogramming option so your computer knows what is going on. A warning light is more then just a warning light. Your traction control systems and various other systems use these indications to determine how your vehicle will react under certain driving conditions. If you can eliminate the wheel sensors properly this is a good bet. you want these systems to work for you, not against you.
That information is simply false. The TPMS has nothing to do with any other system. The TPMS malfunction light has nothing to do with any other light. It is not that same as the MIL. I have a bad sensor and my light has been on for at least 6 months. Nothing else is affected.
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I'm confused. You're considering buying new wheels and tires--and either a ProCal or TPMS sensors--just so you can have a set of smaller tires to put on in place of your Rubi BFGs during the winter?? Why would you do this? The tires on your jeep now are reasonably good winter tires.

If you're going to spend all of that money, you should just buy good aftermarket wheels with some good year round tires and then sell your stockers to recoup some costs. Or if you're insistent on getting a set of the 16" stock wheels/tires to dedicate to winter driving, just watch Craigslist and pick up a set for cheap. Then wrap them in snow chains and call it a day.
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Why in the world are you planning on running the stock street tires in the winter? They will be much worse than the Rubi BFG KM's.
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I'm confused. You're considering buying new wheels and tires--and either a ProCal or TPMS sensors--just so you can have a set of smaller tires to put on in place of your Rubi BFGs during the winter?? Why would you do this? The tires on your jeep now are reasonably good winter tires.

If you're going to spend all of that money, you should just buy good aftermarket wheels with some good year round tires and then sell your stockers to recoup some costs. Or if you're insistent on getting a set of the 16" stock wheels/tires to dedicate to winter driving, just watch Craigslist and pick up a set for cheap. Then wrap them in snow chains and call it a day.
That's pretty much what I said a while back. However, as in many of these cases, the OP has never replied back so we are all preaching to the choir.
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That's pretty much what I said a while back. However, as in many of these cases, the OP has never replied back so we are all preaching to the choir.
I do note the the OP's profile indicates she's in Canada. So it may be that in her experience "winter" pretty much requires a set of dedicated tires that wouldn't be road worthy in the warmer months. The best idea might be to pick up a set of Rubi take offs and stud them.
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That's pretty much what I said a while back. However, as in many of these cases, the OP has never replied back so we are all preaching to the choir.
But it's not only the OP who's reading (and learning) over here...

So, as far as I get it right, the OP should use her stock Rubi rims during 3 seasons and a extra pair of cheap rims (no TPMS built in) + good winter tires already mounted on those rims (maybe even with studs) to drive during winter and simply ignore the dash light. Right?
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That would certainly be an option. In that case she should get a set of Blizzaks.
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But it's not only the OP who's reading (and learning) over here...

So, as far as I get it right, the OP should use her stock Rubi rims during 3 seasons and a extra pair of cheap rims (no TPMS built in) + good winter tires already mounted on those rims (maybe even with studs) to drive during winter and simply ignore the dash light. Right?
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Forgive my ignorance on this question guys -- waiting for our 2012 Rubicon and ordered it with stock tires. Husband said we shouldn't need additional snows. We live in VT and have always put them on our other vehicles (wagons and mid size SUVs) Dec-March. Anyone have an opinion as to whether running the stock tires is a good idea in ski country? In a good-better-best system which would that be?
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Forgive my ignorance on this question guys -- waiting for our 2012 Rubicon and ordered it with stock tires. Husband said we shouldn't need additional snows. We live in VT and have always put them on our other vehicles (wagons and mid size SUVs) Dec-March. Anyone have an opinion as to whether running the stock tires is a good idea in ski country? In a good-better-best system which would that be?
i'm not sure what tires come stock on the '12 rubicon...on the '11, it was the BF Goodrich KMs Mud-Terrain T/A KM | BFGoodrich Tires
These are an all season tire and do well in the snow. You can check the ratings on the link above, but if you really want a snow specific tire, there are other options out there. I drove to work in some heavy snow last winter in NY with these tires, and the rubi does great if you are careful and pay attention to what you are doing (believe me, some people don't!).
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The same tires come on 12's.
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I have stock Rubi tires. They were just OK in the winter for the first two seasons. They seemed to get more and more slick and less sticky to the road as time went on. I can now slide the rear around corners on wet pavement and that never happened when the tires were new and soft. I go skiing a lot and have encountered glare ice on my way. I'm not one for tempting fate on slippery surfaces especially when I KNOW that I will be out on them going to and from ski resorts. So I have a spare set of tires for winter driving that has been studded which I linked to above. If you have the money, and safety is an issue under icy driving conditions I can highly recommend my setup as they stick to the road....even on ice...but don't try descending any vertical slope on ice. Hilly grades it will handle nicely. Mountainous grades on ice is questionable. That may require chains.
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I do note the the OP's profile indicates she's in Canada. So it may be that in her experience "winter" pretty much requires a set of dedicated tires that wouldn't be road worthy in the warmer months. The best idea might be to pick up a set of Rubi take offs and stud them.
Thanks for the replies everyone. =)

You are correct about my winter situation! In no way am I going to be running all-seasons where I live. (very rural, small town in BC) I don't require studs but a good winter tire is a necessity here! I've asked a few people about the goodrich a/t's that I have and found the common statement to be that they are great for SNOW, but terrible on ICE and we see a lot of ice coated roads around here. This makes sense to me as the pads are so flat and wide and have no siping.

I'm buying some Hankook iPikes from the stealership (which turns out to have the best deal on great tires in our area that I could find) 153$ a tire. reg $230. I'll suck up the fact that I'll have a sensor light on all the time, my other 3 vehicles didn't have fancy sensors anyways! I was freaking out a bit because the other dealership said I had to get them when in fact they aren't required by law. (stealers?) The dealership here said they'll not charge for recalibration even if I flip them myself which is great.

The parts guy can sometimes get from the coast for $93, slightly used standard jeep wheels that are regularly $130. I'm going on a trip to a nearby city this weekend to look for cheaper wheels that will fit but if I don't find them then the $93 is what I'll go with. Its going to get ridiculous flopping tires off rims and it can't be that great for them either, considering I need winter tires and I'd prefer my A/T's and steel alloys to stay in good shape. We have so much salt and gravel going onto our roads here it eats away at anything... I think some people underestimate the intensity of some canadian winters.

Hopefully we all learned something here! Pray I find some cheapo winter rims from a '10 or '11 yay.... and I guess this was my newbie welcome post... sorta hectic but here I am.
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I don't think you need winter tires. Just a waste of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
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The stock Rubi tires are not nearly as good in snow as a good set of AT's

Speaking from experience.
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I don't think you need winter tires. Just a waste of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

She lives in Canada. Cold there. Snowy there.
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I see what you are saying, but I like driving in the snow.
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I do note the the OP's profile indicates she's in Canada. So it may be that in her experience "winter" pretty much requires a set of dedicated tires that wouldn't be road worthy in the warmer months. The best idea might be to pick up a set of Rubi take offs and stud them.
I also live here up in the cold north...lol. In some provinces winter tires have become manditory by law. For years I was an advocate that all season, mud and snow etc... were good enough but the truth is that the rubber snow tires are made from is softer and just simply put works better in colder climats. This is why when I purchased my jeep I worked a deal with the salesman to purchase a second set of wheels, sensors and winter tires. It is costly to own two sets of wheels and tires and pressure monitors etc... The most inexpensive way to go is to purchase a set of winter tires and have them swaped over from your current tires using the same wheels etc. Most of our tire shops up here run winter tire packages where you purchase your tires and they will swap them out and in the spring you bring your vehicle back in and they will swap them back so on and so forth. I just had a set of blizzaks DM-V1's installed on my stock wheels for winter, wasnt cheap but well worth it.
Point to note, I am not sure how it works for you folks down south but up here in Canada most automobile insurance companies offer at least a 5% discount on your car insurance if you use winter tires. Over the years the savings add up to probably lets say, a second set of tires.
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Having driven in the snow quite a bit (interior AK, Oct-May), I have found the BFG MTs do not do as well as the BFG ATs which perform very well. I even had good luck with the old Goodyear Workhorse tires, they just didn't last very long. I don't get much snow here, and I think if I were going to take a trip to the mtns to do some snow wheeling, airing down the BFG MTs would likely improve their performance. Good luck finding some wheels to go with the tires.
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I have ordered a set Cooper S/T MAXX studded for the Swedish winter and is allowed as a wintertire in Sweden.

Sadly the Goodyear Duramax is not legal as a wintertire in Sweden, so I went with the MAXX.

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Ooo those puppies have some nice tread!

I'm trying to figure out if I can use wheels from any other jeep... I've written down others that use 5x5s but some are too deep/too shallow of a wheel and the only way to test is to try them on the vehicle right?

Anyone know of other jeep years/types, 16s that will for sure fit a 2011 JK?

PS. I don't want to see another post stating 'you don't need winters, waste etc.' THANK-YOU!
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I got a set of steel pull-offs for my winter tires. I found them on Craig's List. I had to drive an hour to go and get them. $125.00 for the set of 5. I added the sensors and studded tires total was around $1300.00 all together for the tires wheels and sensors, mounted, balanced, and studded. I live in Western Massachusetts and do a lot of driving to and from ski resorts in mountainous terrain. Snow and ice conditions are common. I got the studs especially because of the icing conditions on roads. To find a set of wheels, I highly recommend looking on Craig's List. A lot of new jeep owners who get the sport model with steel wheels pull them off and they end up on the internet for sale. Let us know how you make out.

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