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Old 08-10-2011, 02:07 PM   #1
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Help with re-gearing

Hey all!

I have a stock 2011 JK 2 door 6 speed that I will be putting a 2.5 Teraflex BB on with the shock extenders. I will be running my stock 255/75/17 tires for now, but will be upgrading to 33s as soon as my stock tires wear down.

Quick question.....my stock gears are 3.21 (according to the window sticker). I would like to re-gear, but don't really want to go any lower than I need to. I won't be doing any extreme off-roading (just the occasional trails here and there). Could someone recommend the gearing I should get to accommodate a 2.5 inch lift with 33s? I was thinking 4.10 or 4.56, but I want to make sure that I am not underpowered as this is my DD on the highway, and of course not losing too many MPGs is a plus.

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Well 4.10 is standard in the rubicon. Many I've seen move up to a 33" tire and stay at that-also minimal loss in performance. 4.56 would be perfect for you with 33's according to the charts. If you plan on going bigger you might want to go a bit lower. Better paying once then twice and at $1400 a regear- that's expensive

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I am running 33x11.5 right now (295/70R17) with a 3 inch teraflex lift and no regear on my 2007 2 door. I don't feel as though it is underpowered or gets bogged down on roads at all (I've even squealed my tires making a quick turn once ); but every time you lift your rig higher or put on larger tires you're going to loose some MPG's regardless of gearing to unsprung weight increase and being even less aerodynamic not that jeeps are to start with.
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For a 2 door going to 33s I'd either (a) just leave the 3.21s, (b) go to 4.56s, or (c) go to 4.88s.

A 2 door 6 speed can survive with just keeping the 3.21s for 33s. If you insist on a change, 4.10s are expensive and not a worthwhile improvement for the money. 4.56s are ideal for 33s, but they are also expensive and rare (often out-of-stock). 4.88s will save you money, but will put you almost right at 3k RPMs at 70 mph. I think that's actually okay, but may make you a little uncomfortable--with your current 3.21s, that's about where you'd be in 4th gear at that speed.

For those same reasons, I've mostly let go of 33s altogether for my 4 door 6 speed. The 3.21s can't handle a bigger tire on the heavier 4 door, so I'll save money by going to 4.88s and use the saved cash to put on 35s.
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Thanks for all the responses. I think I will just leave the 3.21s on there for now, and save up for the 4.56s in the future. One more quick question....

The 2.5" Teraflex BB with shock extenders is what I am considering (Q-tec part #16190.0005) ; however, the rep at Quadratec also suggested the 2" Skyjacker lift with hydro shocks instead of the shock extenders (Q-tec part #16117.100X.B). Price difference is under $10.00. I realize that there is a 1/2" lift difference. Which of these kits would you recommend? I will not be doing any extreme off-roading at all, and my Jeep is my DD on the highway.

To be honest, I am a little nervous about using shock extenders (even though I prefer the 2.5" lift vs the 2" lift). Are the extenders safe and are they built well? I just don't want my shocks falling off as I am driving 70 mph down the highway.

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The 2.5" Teraflex BB with shock extenders is what I am considering (Q-tec part #16190.0005) ; however, the rep at Quadratec also suggested the 2" Skyjacker lift with hydro shocks instead of the shock extenders (Q-tec part #16117.100X.B). Price difference is under $10.00. I realize that there is a 1/2" lift difference. Which of these kits would you recommend? I will not be doing any extreme off-roading at all, and my Jeep is my DD on the highway.
Both good choices.

The shocks that come with the Skyjacker kit are no better than your current shocks--they're just longer. Others may feel differently, but to me the extensions essentially resolve that issue and I haven't heard any complaints about them.

The TeraFlex kit also gives you sway links, brake line brackets, and a rear track bar bracket. All of which will be nice. So while there's no "right" answer, I'd get the TeraFlex kit and save up for nicer shocks in the future.

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I put on a 3" Teraflex kit for the reasons MTH stated that it comes with brackets for the brake lines etc. But instead of extenders just purchased some skyjacker hydros for the time being, they offer them in a 2-3.5" option so you're good to go for the 2.5" you want. It's generally accepted that they hydros will do better on the road but are softer and the nitro line is better for offroad since it is stiffer.
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But instead of extenders just purchased some skyjacker hydros for the time being, they offer them in a 2-3.5" option so you're good to go for the 2.5" you want.
Well there's a good idea.

If you don't like the extensions, you could get this TeraFlex kit instead, which is exactly the same as the one you were looking at originally but without the extensions. That saves you about $80. Then just pick up four cheap shocks in the appropriate length, like these from SkyJacker, which will run about $150.

All told, you'd only spend about $70 more than you had planned for the original TeraFlex set, and you'd resolve your concern about using extensions.
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Very good idea! I think I will be ordering the Teraflex kit without the shocks and just order 4 of the Skyjacker Hydro shocks. To me, $70 extra is worth my peace of mind.

Someone mentioned the Teraflex kit in a 3" BB lift. Is this available in the same exact kit as the 2.5" BB lift (without the shock extenders) and with all of the same exact parts as the 2.5" kit?

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Just realized it was Eaglektd who mentioned the 3" Teraflex kit.

Eaglektd -- did you have to change, adjust, or replace anything after installation of that kit other than longer shocks (i.e. toe-in, casters, drive shaft angle, drag link, control arms, stabilizer bar, etc.) or were you able to just have it installed and "drive off" after a probable alignment? How is the ride and handling with that kit at highway speeds?

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You know you don't have to lift it to fit 33's, right? With 2.5" lift you can clear 35's on a JK.
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Old 08-11-2011, 10:17 AM   #12
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Yeah, I know I don't have to lift it to clear 33s but I really like the look of having it lifted. It gives it a better stance. Prolly add wheel spacers to it too (5 on 5 with 1.5").

Not only that, but if I get the 2.5" or 3" lift now and use my stock rims and tires until the tires wear down, I might change my mind and get 35s instead of 33s on a 16" rim and sell my current 17" rims. As Daggo mentioned earlier, by getting 16" rims and tires, I could practically pay for the cost of the rims vs just buying new 17" tires.
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I have a 2.5 inch lift and 35's with the 3.21. I am changing to 4.88 soon. Took cross-country trip and never used 6th gear. Around town it is fine but recommend going to 4.88
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Very nice ride! Do you feel underpowered with the 3.21s? Also, with the 2.5" lift that I will be getting, do you think my stock 32s will look silly (i.e. swallowed up by the wheel wells)? I am definitely going to put wheel spacers on there of 1.5", but was wondering if I should do a 2.0" spacer instead.....

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Quick question......

What are actual numbers for your size 35 tires? For example, my stock 17s are 255/75/17. Are your rims 16 or 17 inch?

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Around town it is fine but underpowered on the highway. I do not think you will like the look of the 32's after the lift. You might be able to sell the stock tires and wheels and upgrade to 35's. You will not be disappointed! I believe there is a big sale this Saturday at 4 wheel parts.
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Quick question......

What are actual numbers for your size 35 tires? For example, my stock 17s are 255/75/17. Are your rims 16 or 17 inch?

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35x 12.50 x 17 The tires are pro comp AT and the wheels are Moto metal. The tires are very quiet on the road. Handles and rides the same as stock if not better.
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Cool! Thanks for the info! I'll have to check out 4 wheel parts and see what I can find.
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Just realized it was Eaglektd who mentioned the 3" Teraflex kit.

Eaglektd -- did you have to change, adjust, or replace anything after installation of that kit other than longer shocks (i.e. toe-in, casters, drive shaft angle, drag link, control arms, stabilizer bar, etc.) or were you able to just have it installed and "drive off" after a probable alignment? How is the ride and handling with that kit at highway speeds?

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For the time being I just installed the lift and a heavier duty steering stabilizer and had an alignment done. I can't always afford to do everything I want to do to it and with Quadratec and other sites my wish list keeps growing exponentially lol. As for my drive shafts most people say you only need to change them for lifts over 3", though I'm sure mine are starting to approach fatal angle I figure I can just change my U-joints when they start wearing out, not too hard since I can roll under the Jeep without it on a jack or lift.

The ride on the road is great I don't have any problems with it the only thing is that 6th gear is strictly cruising I need to shift down to 5th to pass since I still run stock gears but regearing is not high up on my list as I don't plan on rock crawling and really have nowhere to do it in Maryland.

As for tires and wheels I plan on going down to a 15" wheel MB72 with 33x12.5 Goodyear Duratraks since I think more rubber and less wheel looks great on Jeeps and tires are way less expensive to replace. Look at ESP123's jeep he has those wheels and tires and they are awesome. Here are what my 33x11.5R17's look like (295/70/17)

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What are actual numbers for your size 35 tires? For example, my stock 17s are 255/75/17. Are your rims 16 or 17 inch?

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Hey JDG....my new MT MTZs are 35x12.5R17. I went with new 17" MT classic black wheels with 4.5" of backspacing. The lift is a 3" TeraFlex Full kit suspension lift. Nothing else in terms of spacers, etc. New brakes and regear to 5.13s. If you go with 35"s then 2.5" works, I think the 3" looks great. With 33" tires I think the 3" would be too much. The actual diameter of my Mickeys are 34.6" I think. Here is the side shot.

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Very nice mgerken! I would LOVE to do 35s with a 2.5 inch lift, but my biggest concern is that I would have to regear since I only have the stock 3.21s. I'll prolly go with a 15 or 16 inch wheel with 3.75" or 4.5" of back spacing for now with 33s (General Grabber AT2s or Goodyear Wrangler Duratracs) and a 2.5 inch lift. Won't be till next month, but I'll be sure to post pics!

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If I go with 33X12.5, would 4.5 inches of back spacing be enough or would I want to do 3.75 inches? I can't have the tires stick out too far from the fenders due to state law.
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Your fuel economy will be better with 4.10 but you'll be peppier with 4.56.
With 4.5" backspacing on your wheels, your tires will stick out and suck a little more mpg. The lift will also decrease aerodynamics.
Just food for thought.

And I'd definitely think about Bilsteins. Everything else is just rebadged Gabriel or Monroe. The Billies don't fade.

For your driving, 33x12.5 is a waste. Jeeps aren't heavy, don't need the wider tire unless you want to float on some sand or something. They'll just suck more gas and cost more.
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If I am not mistaken (and I think tysalem mentioned this earlier on), with 3.75" of back spacing the wheel will stick out MORE than with 4.5" of back spacing right?

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If I am not mistaken (and I think tysalem mentioned this earlier on), with 3.75" of back spacing the wheel will stick out MORE than with 4.5" of back spacing right?

Yep. Less backspacing = Sticking further out.

IIRC, the stock wheels have around 6.25" of backspacing.
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I thought so.

So, with that said, I am going to go with 15 inch wheels rather than 16 inch wheels. I was looking at ESPs setup, and it looks great! Not only that, but 15 inch wheels and tires weigh less than 16s and 17s which means my little 3.21s won't be bogged down by the weight of a bigger wheel/tire. More importantly, 15s cheaper.

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If I go with 15 inch wheels with 3.75 inches of back spacing and 33 X 12.5 X 15 tires, approximately how far past my fenders will the tires stick out? I don't mind a little bit sticking out (against state law here, but hardly ever enforced unless they're REALLY out there). Also, I have heard of people having issues with the brake calipers rubbing with 15 inch wheels. Does the back spacing have to do with this? For example, if the calipers were rubbing with 4.5 inch of BS, would changing to a 15 wheel with 3.75 inches of BS solve this? I just don't wanna order 15 inch wheels and then find out after they're installed that my calipers will rub.

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If I go with 15 inch wheels with 3.75 inches of back spacing and 33 X 12.5 X 15 tires, approximately how far past my fenders will the tires stick out? I don't mind a little bit sticking out (against state law here, but hardly ever enforced unless they're REALLY out there).
Are you sure about NY law? Check this website, which seems to indicate that NY doesn't have any opinion about fenders. Follow up by using the statutes and code regulations identified there to review the actual NY law yourself, but it may be a non-issue.

Isn't that the same set up ESP123 has? If so, look at the threads he's started. I'm certain there's one where he has pics showing just how far the tires "stick out," including a video of him circling the Jeep.

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Also, I have heard of people having issues with the brake calipers rubbing with 15 inch wheels. Does the back spacing have to do with this? For example, if the calipers were rubbing with 4.5 inch of BS, would changing to a 15 wheel with 3.75 inches of BS solve this? I just don't wanna order 15 inch wheels and then find out after they're installed that my calipers will rub.
As far as I know, no. Clearly, the 15" MB72s that ESP123 has are not rubbing. There are others that do not as well. Take a look at the threads started by member "Discount Tire" (a sponsoring vendor). My recollection is that they have one or more threads dedicated to 15" wheels on JKs.

I believe the rubbing on some 15" wheels has to do with the way some wheels are stamped together. A ridge from the stamping process inside of some 15" wheels comes into contact with the brake caliper. My recollection is that this issue is fairly common with steel wheels, whereas it's not as common with alloy wheels (which are poured, not stamped).
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Yeah, that is the same setup that he has and I really like it. That's why I am going to go with that. I may go with different rims with just a tad bit of silver accents because I am not sure how all black rims will look on my color Jeep (natural green).

Thanks for the link to the NYS laws. That was extremely helpful, and from what I could tell, there isn't a tire width law regarding sticking out. I honestly thought there was, but cool that there isn't.
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Thanks for the link to the NYS laws. That was extremely helpful, and from what I could tell, there isn't a tire width law regarding sticking out. I honestly thought there was, but cool that there isn't.
Careful though--Liftlaws.com is a great website and they do a pretty good job, but they do miss stuff sometimes. They do of course at least refer you to many of the relevant provisions of NY statutory and code law that could apply, so I'd go to the NY legislature's website, find those laws, read them directly, and see what other related provisions are around them. Maybe try a Google search too just to see. There could be something Liftlaws missed. But if all that turns up nothing, I'd think you're in pretty good shape.
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