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Old 08-02-2012, 11:09 PM   #1
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Hemi?

Outside of the auto slide out steps (the guy was like 60) this looked pretty badass. Asked him if we wanted to swap but no dice.
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How much approximately would a Hemi swap cost on average for a DYI guy to do? I realize it can vary, but a ballpark figure is fine. A complete soup to nuts job, including the cost of the engine, NIB? Also what would a shop charge, approximately? I see a lot of talk but no real numbers, and I often wondered. Thanks
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The wheels on that rig are AWESOME!
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How much approximately would a Hemi swap cost on average for a DYI guy to do? I realize it can vary, but a ballpark figure is fine. A complete soup to nuts job, including the cost of the engine, NIB? Also what would a shop charge, approximately? I see a lot of talk but no real numbers, and I often wondered. Thanks
Numbers I've seen . . .

All new engine/trans, done by a shop, about $20k to $25k.

Used engine/trans, done by a shop, about $10k to $15k.

Done by yourself with used parts, depends entirely on the parts costs. I've heard numbers as low as just a few grand for older jeeps, though you'd probably want a new conversion "kit" for a JK, so that's at least $4k to 5k and then add a used engine/trans to that. Done by yourself with new parts, it's about $4k to $5k each for a new engine, trans, and conversion "kit." Of course, any of the DIY options require mechanical skills pretty far beyond what's possessed by most folks.

This is why superchargers are more popular even though a Hemi is more desirable. Superchargers go for about $4k to $5k and are obviously much easier than an entire engine/trans swap--I've seen install "specials" from shops of $200 or so.

At least these are the numbers I've seen floating around--I've never actually done a Hemi conversion or put in a supercharger. But those amounts sound about right to me, plus or minus a few bucks.
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And for some prices on used swaps: (http://www.jeepspeedshop.com/)
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Thanks! I was thinking new engine, working with an existing automatic transmission. I was guessing a new crate 6.1 Hemi would run about $7,000-$8,000 and could be swung for under $1,000. Conversion kit completely slipped my mind. Sounds like a big money project.

I'd love to see one with a 4.9L I6 Ford engine. Has anyone done it? Thanks again.
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Old 08-03-2012, 03:08 PM   #9
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just a few penny's

hi, would love to have a hemi jeep, but for the moment i will stay with my
3.6, could ..be the factory will have a option of the 6.1 some day!
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Can those Hemis be cooled adequately in Jeeps when they are retrofitted? I'll get one when the factory sells one.
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I think his step is messed up. Shouldn't it be up with the door closed?

Just an observation. Awesome jeep!
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I know there would be a big weight difference But I would do a 6.7L Cummings from a Dodge before I would do a Hemi.
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Outside of the auto slide out steps (the guy was like 60) this looked pretty badass. Asked him if we wanted to swap but no dice.
You didn't hear that 60 was the new 30. That is a nice set-up.
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I think his step is messed up. Shouldn't it be up with the door closed?

Just an observation. Awesome jeep!
AMP Research Powersteps only fold up when the door is fully closed, his door is probably only close to the first click.
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I saw total price for a hemi change installed at $11,000 for the 5.7 hemi. Way too much cabbage.
Personally, I'd go about $2,000 and have a Ripp Supercharger to add over 100hp to my sad little 3.8 and call it a day.
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I saw total price for a hemi change installed at $11,000 for the 5.7 hemi. Way too much cabbage.
Personally, I'd go about $2,000 and have a Ripp Supercharger to add over 100hp to my sad little 3.8 and call it a day.
That must have been for a used hemi with no transmission. $11k for somebody else doing the work is pretty low by the numbers I've seen.

And so is $2k for a supercharger. You must be talking used? A new Ripp unit is $5k.
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That must have been for a used hemi with no transmission. $11k for somebody else doing the work is pretty low by the numbers I've seen.

And so is $2k for a supercharger. You must be talking used? A new Ripp unit is $5k.
That was for the 5.7, not the 6.1 with no transmission.

yea you're correct over 4 grand. I was watching speed channel and on one of the programs, they were installing a supercharger on a 3.8 wrangler and I could swear they priced the supercharger at $2000 because i remember thinking that was reasonable. It was late and I must have been drinking.
Thanks...... so much for that idea!
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That was for the 5.7, not the 6.1 with no transmission.

yea you're correct over 4 grand. I was watching speed channel and on one of the programs, they were installing a supercharger on a 3.8 wrangler and I could swear they priced the supercharger at $2000 because i remember thinking that was reasonable. It was late and I must have been drinking.
Thanks...... so much for that idea!
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Our Supercharger systems start at $3995.00.

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Right, but does anyone really get it without the intercooler?
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I'm stuck in an emissions controlled county, so no engine swaps or heavy engine mods.
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:23 PM   #21
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Who doesn't love a video to liven up a thread?



The Mopar Hemi package (392 Hemi!!) works with the W5A580 transmission in the 2012+ JKs.
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Old 08-07-2012, 10:44 AM   #22
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Totally in! Man if that comes in installed under 10K will pull the trigger. So far no price yet from them. However according to internetmath:

Burnsville all in, includes conversion kit, includes new transmission, includes installation = $26,5000

AEV's conversion kit = $6,948.95

Having difficulty finding a price for the engine alone, did find a snippet out there as follows:

V V T 6.4L Hemi 392 Parts List 6.4 vvt Challanger Hemi Engine Long Block - $7500

Can't find a price for a transmission though.

However according to the video it's plug 'n play, no new tranny needed, no conversion kit need, zero "extra" work, just drop the motor in.

Last I checked a couple years ago following some DIY installs, some guys if I remember correctly said it took upwards of 20 hours for them to do it themselves and if they had to do it again, maybe 10-12 hours once knowing how. Therefore:

a) engine from mopar max $7500 ??
b) dealer install @ 110/h x max 20 h ??

That engine price is based on a third party + hopefully the dealer installer has trained/knows better than any one else chopping install to say 12 hours max?

Call it 6000 for the engine from the dealer + say 1500 to install = under 10K for sure?

Wishful thinking ?


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With Nanny government's ever increasing involvement in our lives, in this case dictating to auto manufacturers what fuel economy they must produce, I doubt you will ever see a hemi wrangler or better yet SRT-8 Wrangler from the factory. It would throw their mpg numbers off. I am surprised Fiat Chrysler is continuing with SRT vehicles. I am glad they are though.

Getting an increase in MPG via a Wrangler Diesel would be a good option for them.
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Right, but does anyone really get it without the intercooler?
Our Gen I supercharger did not include an intercooler, just a 50/50 water meth injection to simulate the effects of typical intercooling. Over 400 of those were sold.

Our Gen II Stage 1 system is for the Jeeper on a tighter budget, it offers roughly 80% of the power of our stage 2. It is also able to be upgraded to Stage 2.

The vast majority of our system sold are intercooled, but, we try to make the supercharged experience accessible to as many enthusiasts as possible.

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I got some real numbers on this now:

$13,500 new 6.4L engine and conversion kit
$11,500 new 5.7L engine and conversion kit

This is uninstalled for 2012+ (no transmission required). I think some savings can be achieved on securing your own engine as there's an obvious mark up included here. The trick is the install, who, how long and how much.

It's very interesting to me. Just under double the cost of an installed 2012 super charger. I'm thinking with some effort that one can indeed get a conversion in for 10K or thereabouts. Working on the install numbers all so new, no one done it yet.

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Totally in! Man if that comes in installed under 10K will pull the trigger. So far no price yet from them. However according to internetmath:

Burnsville all in, includes conversion kit, includes new transmission, includes installation = $26,5000

AEV's conversion kit = $6,948.95

Having difficulty finding a price for the engine alone, did find a snippet out there as follows:

V V T 6.4L Hemi 392 Parts List 6.4 vvt Challanger Hemi Engine Long Block - $7500

Can't find a price for a transmission though.

However according to the video it's plug 'n play, no new tranny needed, no conversion kit need, zero "extra" work, just drop the motor in.

Last I checked a couple years ago following some DIY installs, some guys if I remember correctly said it took upwards of 20 hours for them to do it themselves and if they had to do it again, maybe 10-12 hours once knowing how. Therefore:

a) engine from mopar max $7500 ??
b) dealer install @ 110/h x max 20 h ??

That engine price is based on a third party + hopefully the dealer installer has trained/knows better than any one else chopping install to say 12 hours max?

Call it 6000 for the engine from the dealer + say 1500 to install = under 10K for sure?

Wishful thinking ?
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1.5 days to install. Now, I'm seeing new pull out 3.6L engines selling between $2,500 and $3,500. $2,500 is with 6,000+ miles. Higher number with obviously less (unstated).

Sell your own engine, pays for the install. You're left with the numbers above for a brand spanking new Hemi swap.

Very interesting.

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