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Old 05-26-2014, 02:42 AM   #61
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For those of you with the high lift mounted inside the cab to the roll cage. How hard is it to get in and out? Im thinking for the number for times it will be used it would not be to much of an inconvenience.

To hit on the fact of why have one? For me one of the biggest uses I have for it is reconnecting sway bar links it is great for stretching out the suspension yes. But overall it is a universal tool with endless uses, and when not used carefully or properly endless ways to kill of injure you.
The "Dave" mount utilizes two bolts that work like mounting studs. You hang the jack on the studs. Once the jack is in place you use two nuts to tighten it down. A Crescent wrench can break the nuts loose when needed and you can spin them off by hand, it just takes a minute. The jack is completely out of view, I can't even see it in my mirror.

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You should see all the ways you could be "destroyed" in a Chemical plant, Oil Refinery, or Power Plant. You could be fried, boiled, radiated, poisoned, shredded, smashed beyond recognition all on your way to the safety meeting before work even starts. A Hi Lift jack is a safe tool to use if you use it safely. If your crawling under any vehicle on anykind of Jack without the vehicle being blocked solidly your playing with death and dismemberment. Hi lift jacks are a generational tool, many have been passed down. I find it hard to believe there are this many folks who find it a dangerous piece of equipment considering the trash that gets passed off as standard equipment in vehicles for jacks and even spare tires. To think of all the farmers and millions of others who use these weapons of mass destruction for nearly 100 years and actually survive it.

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The same can be said of the 12ga I rack in my work vehicle every day. Be the master of your tools, not the other way around.
I would wager that a shotgun is a safer tool than a hi-lift.

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Every tool in my shop has potential to kill or severely injure me. Band saw, welder, torch, table saw, lathe, mill, power tools. You must be the master and not be afraid of what might happen. Learn how to use the tool and be as safe as you can. This is my second Hi-lift. They can be very useful in many ways.
I agree with you....again, I choose to avoid the dangerous tools whenever I can.

For the record, I hire people to use the Band saw, torch, table saw, lathe and mill for me. Better their fingers than mine.

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You should see all the ways you could be "destroyed" in a Chemical plant, Oil Refinery, or Power Plant. You could be fried, boiled, radiated, poisoned, shredded, smashed beyond recognition all on your way to the safety meeting before work even starts. A Hi Lift jack is a safe tool to use if you use it safely. If your crawling under any vehicle on anykind of Jack without the vehicle being blocked solidly your playing with death and dismemberment. Hi lift jacks are a generational tool, many have been passed down. I find it hard to believe there are this many folks who find it a dangerous piece of equipment considering the trash that gets passed off as standard equipment in vehicles for jacks and even spare tires. To think of all the farmers and millions of others who use these weapons of mass destruction for nearly 100 years and actually survive it.
By this description....I am not even sure that you realize what dangers a hi-lift jack poses. Being unstable is only one of the lesser dangers of a hi-lift, that is unless you do not mind having your face rearranged.

As an ER Doctor, I have seen many farm related injuries that occurred only because of a momentary lapse of respect for the tool. The result is injury, dismemberment or even death. I even own a high-lift....I just never use it unless there is no other alternative.

I am merely suggesting that there are other safer tools for the task. Use what you will.

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If you use a hi-lift properly there is zero risk. Don't jack with your face (or other body parts) in the path of the handle, stabilize the vehicle/jack or be out of the way if it might fall..etc..

Anyone that thinks they were hurt by a hi-lift was actually hurt by their own stupidity.
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If you use a hi-lift properly there is zero risk. Don't jack with your face (or other body parts) in the path of the handle, stabilize the vehicle/jack or be out of the way if it might fall..etc..

Anyone that thinks they were hurt by a hi-lift was actually hurt by their own stupidity.
I don't agree with the "zero risk" part but the rest is spot on.

I always tell people that the Emergency Room is in the business of "stupid".....and business is GOOD.

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If you afraid of your tools you should not use them...
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The same can be said of the 12ga I rack in my work vehicle every day. Be the master of your tools, not the other way around.
12gauge nice, it is a good thing you don't carry the 12g and Hi-Lift in the same vehicle that would be a CRAZY all those dangerous tools.. *L* Of course I have always wanted to use my Hi-Lift as a battering ram, like a master key for locked doors.
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12gauge nice, it is a good thing you don't carry the 12g and Hi-Lift in the same vehicle that would be a CRAZY all those dangerous tools.. *L* Of course I have always wanted to use my Hi-Lift as a battering ram, like a master key for locked doors.
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12gauge nice, it is a good thing you don't carry the 12g and Hi-Lift in the same vehicle that would be a CRAZY all those dangerous tools.. *L* Of course I have always wanted to use my Hi-Lift as a battering ram, like a master key for locked doors.
Actually, when a Hi-lift is used to breach a door, it it turned sideways and the doorframe is spread until the door just pops open!
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I would wager that a shotgun is a safer tool than a hi-lift.
It's only dangerous in one specific direction. A hi-lift is dangerous within 48" in every directions.

Still both have their use.
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I would wager that a shotgun is a safer tool than a hi-lift.



I agree with you....again, I choose to avoid the dangerous tools whenever I can.

For the record, I hire people to use the Band saw, torch, table saw, lathe and mill for me. Better their fingers than mine.



By this description....I am not even sure that you realize what dangers a hi-lift jack poses. Being unstable is only one of the lesser dangers of a hi-lift, that is unless you do not mind having your face rearranged.

As an ER Doctor, I have seen many farm related injuries that occurred only because of a momentary lapse of respect for the tool. The result is injury, dismemberment or even death. I even own a high-lift....I just never use it unless there is no other alternative.

I am merely suggesting that there are other safer tools for the task. Use what you will.

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Old 05-26-2014, 04:25 PM   #73
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The people that go on about how dangerous Hi-lift jacks are never owned a pre-1972 American car or light truck.

Remember these?



We used to get a lot more flats, "back in the day", and all of us seemed to have survived well into our '50s and beyond.
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I've never used a Hi Lift or seen a Hi Lift in use. As such, I'm hesitant to get one. That said, I have no doubt that they can be used safely by an experienced individual.
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The people that go on about how dangerous Hi-lift jacks are never owned a pre-1972 American car or light truck.

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We used to get a lot more flats, "back in the day", and all of us seemed to have survived well into our '50s and beyond.
Exactly, I always liked those jacks, just had to learn how to use them and they were fine. Because car got plastic bumpers now they went by way of the dino.
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I see, you are like the food inspectors that I work with that won't eat at any restaurants.
LOL! Based on my clientele, there are many restaurants that I will not venture into. Between the workers that I see and what the cops tell me....it's amazing that I will eat out at all.

Here is a big hint....if it is a franchise, Don't eat there.

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Exactly, I always liked those jacks, just had to learn how to use them and they were fine. Because car got plastic bumpers now they went by way of the dino.
Those are the "newer" version of the old jack. That one is used in the little slot that mfgrs put in the chrome bumper.

Now you more seasoned folks will remember the one like this.
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Yeah you are right, those slotted ones are the newer version, the one you pictured came with my 69' skylark.
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Yeah you are right, those slotted ones are the newer version, the one you pictured came with my 69' skylark.
I remember taking off my shirt to put between the jack and the chrome bumper; NO SCRATCHES on dad's car!
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For those of you with four doors and put the Hi-Lift under the rear seat, how do you usually secure it? I know its not that likely, but highway rollovers have happened and these jacks and our other gear have a real potential to cause injury once they start flying around inside.

I have a two door with the back seat out. The Hi-Lift is outside on a Teraflex accessory carrier but I also have a 36 pound Pull Pal land anchor that goes inside. In my case, I secure it to the rear seat floor mounts with four large cable ties rated at 150 pounds each. They cost almost $1.00 each at Home Depot but go on quick and come off quick with the wire cutters.
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For those of you with four doors and put the Hi-Lift under the rear seat, how do you usually secure it? I know its not that likely, but highway rollovers have happened and these jacks and our other gear have a real potential to cause injury once they start flying around inside.

I have a two door with the back seat out. The Hi-Lift is outside on a Teraflex accessory carrier but I also have a 36 pound Pull Pal land anchor that goes inside. In my case, I secure it to the rear seat floor mounts with four large cable ties rated at 150 pounds each. They cost almost $1.00 each at Home Depot but go on quick and come off quick with the wire cutters.
I carry mine with the rear seats folded down and the Hi Lift laying nestled down into the hinge area, Then I lay my shovel down on top of it moving it around till it fits good then my axe goes down against them both. I then take Two ballistic straps with buckles not velcro and strap the three items together with the straps going down through the Child restraint rings behind the seat. It is a very stout fastening point and is in fact DOT rated. I also wrap the whole bundle in an old gray beach towel for silence. They are only in there when we go wheeling, take up nearly no space at all, and are quite easy to get to. Just have not fabbed up a good mount yet, but its coming soon.
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Mine is mounted in the same place, with the Jeepswag, "Dave" brackets. I'm also using their accessory brackets to store a shovel, an axe, and a Hi-lift wide base in the same location, up and out of the way and away from prying eyes.
I've been eying the Dave brackets but heard the jack has to be removed to raise or lower the soft top. Can anyone confirm this for '13 JKU? Emailed jeepswag but no reply.

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