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Old 07-04-2014, 11:49 AM   #1
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Hid projectors awesome!!

Installed my hids from hidprojectors.com and absolutely love them. I tried Piaa lights and they were horrible and my stinger bumper blocks so much light so I needed something bright as hell. And they look bad ass. Just in time for the fourth 🇺🇸 If anyone wants to know the set up they are white halos, white angel eyes, blue shrouds, and red devil eyes. Customer service was a 6/5 stars.


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I agree! Amazing customer service. The light output is fantastic and they look amazing.
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Installed my hids from hidprojectors.com and absolutely love them. I tried Piaa lights and they were horrible and my stinger bumper blocks so much light so I needed something bright as hell. And they look bad ass. Just in time for the fourth 🇺🇸 If anyone wants to know the set up they are white halos, white angel eyes, blue shrouds, and red devil eyes. Customer service was a 6/5 stars.

Looks pretty cool. I like the arched eyebrows. Haven't seen that before.
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wow those are pricey! look nice though.
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Just wondering how legal is that? I know in Florida anything blue or red is no go as far as lights
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too bad these aren't legal in Pa.
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I want! They look awesome! Happen to have a phone number to call? OMG it is soooooo annoying to have a company and not have a way for a customer to call.
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Yea I think they are illegal in ny too but I'm hoping the cop got laid the night before so he won't be in a bad mood
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They are not dot approve but neither are all the other HIDs that don't come with the car. I really doubt you will ever get pulled for having HIDs, especially if aimed properly.
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They are not dot approve but neither are all the other HIDs that don't come with the car. I really doubt you will ever get pulled for having HIDs, especially if aimed properly.
True, I was thinking more about getting the vehicle inspected in Pa...... really don't want to have to change lights out every time..... OK I admit it..... I'm lazy lol
But I have to tell you they look great .... I was going to order the same setup until I saw they were a no go in Pa.
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Hi guys - just saw this thread (thanks for the kind words about our company).

Regarding legality - we sell our lights as off road use only and are up front and honest about not having DOT approval. We have thousands of different combinations for our lights which makes it nearly impossible to submit each and every combo for review. That said, our components are high quality projectors that put out (in my opinion) a better beam than most OEM projectors do today. Tupper is correct though, you should check your local laws regarding inspections and legality if you decide to use these on the street.

If I can answer any other questions please let me know. Happy to provide my phone number to interested customers, however we do not have a dedicated support number at this time. I ask everyone to go through the website or email us directly with questions first. HIDprojectors@gmail.com

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True, I was thinking more about getting the vehicle inspected in Pa...... really don't want to have to change lights out every time..... OK I admit it..... I'm lazy lol But I have to tell you they look great .... I was going to order the same setup until I saw they were a no go in Pa.
Solution is simple, find a shop and be honest with them. I have done this before. I walked in said "hey look my exhaust isn't legal and neither is my tint". I then asked how much the inspection was. The guy told me 25. I replied "oh great 50 bucks is a great price, do u take cash sir"? Boom I passed! Pretty easy really. Then u get the guys name and number, ask him if he does side work depending in the shop type.
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Wow.
Illegal and unsafe but sooooooo koooooool.
Those Horrible and Illegal HID Conversions...Again

Red lights facing forward? Are you kidding me?
It's illegal because people can mistake the direction you're going.
The law allows white lights facing forward except for amber signal lamps. You may also have yellow for foglights.
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Red lights facing forward? Are you kidding me?
It's illegal because people can mistake the direction you're going.
The law allows white lights facing forward except for amber signal lamps. You may also have yellow for foglights.
Thats why you don't make it a habit of driving with just the red lights on. These come as your basic white output HID's. The halo lights, and the red lights are options you can also have installed.
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Those Horrible and Illegal HID Conversions...Again

Red lights facing forward? Are you kidding me?
It's illegal because people can mistake the direction you're going.
The law allows white lights facing forward except for amber signal lamps. You may also have yellow for foglights.
Not going to start a pissing war with you, but did want to point out that your link is referring to HID bulbs in non-HID housings, while the lights in this thread use proper HID housings as they are a RETROFIT. I see nothing wrong with using OEM or OEM style HID projectors retrofitted into the housings. They are offroad use only due to the cost and complexity of testing for DOT compliance however the output of light will be the same as any DOT approved HID system.

For what it's worth some DOT approved factory HID systems have blinded the crap out of me before while cresting a hill. HID is great for drivers but not so great for everyone else on the road. It's a convenience at the expense of everyone elses vision. I'm also not a fan of the extremely sharp cutoff. I feel like I'm blind beyond the lights cut off point. But that's just my personal opinion.
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Those Horrible and Illegal HID Conversions...Again

Red lights facing forward? Are you kidding me?
It's illegal because people can mistake the direction you're going.
The law allows white lights facing forward except for amber signal lamps. You may also have yellow for foglights.
I will take driving towards red, green or blinking halos+angel/devil eyes any day over HID bulbs in stock housings.

DOT approved or not the the HID bulbs inside of a well designed projector create a high quality beam pattern. Projectors are the way for either HID of LED lamps, unfortunately they are pricey.
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To clear the air - our red devil eyes are just a small LED that is mounted behind the projector lens. It is not the actual headlight and is just for show. Most of our customers wire these to a switch so they can turn them on/off whenever they'd like (offroad for example). The actual HID bulb provides the output.
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... I see nothing wrong with using OEM or OEM style HID projectors retrofitted into the housings. They are offroad use only due to the cost and complexity of testing for DOT compliance however the output of light will be the same as any DOT approved HID system....
If they're not tested and assayed to meet FMVSS-108, it's the same as not having headlights at all.
Calling a product "for offroad use only" is a meaningless avoidance technique. If you sell something that fits, it must be legally compliant for the task.

It's not all that expensive to test them. It's expensive to build a product that will pass the tests.
Safety equipment has regulations because it is important. Headlights aren't ornaments.
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Hilldweller,

From what I understand most the aftermarket headlights are not approved.

Do you know of a legal way to solve my problem? I want a better beam pattern and more light output than stock. I remember you posting a link to approved hid kits and they were something ridiculous like $1100 per side. Any other solutions to my problem?

Also saying it's like not having headlights is hyperbole. From what I can tell, these do output light with what looks like a good beam pattern. They may not be legal but equating them to driving around without headlights is not a valid argument.
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I totally agree with Hilldweller.

Headlights are not ornaments. Guys who use words like wanting lights that are bright as hell, bad ass, awesome, looks cool, etc show their immaturity. The off road only statement is meaningless. If you sell something that fits, it must be legally compliant for the task.

All you younger guys need to wake up and get real. You think you look cool ? You don't. You look stupid. Someday you'll get it if you live long enough.

Lights are safety features. Not ornaments. Treat them that way. Don't be a sheep.
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I'm not trying to start a debate here, but we sell a product that is unique and allows the end user to customize their lights however they wish (seems to fit the Jeep lifestyle). The main components are all the same however - a headlight housing, bi-xenon projector and polycarbonate lens. The output is (in my opinion) equal to or better than most headlights available today. This is the main reason why I started my company - to provide better lighting and a better alternative to the plug and play HID bulb setup.

The extra 'stuff' that can be added allows each customer the ability to have the lights fit their particular style. We offer custom painting, LEDs, angel eyes, halos, etc to help accomplish this.

We are upfront and honest with each of our customers and pride ourselves on customer service. I'm not here to argue with anyone about the legality of our lights - as stated before I make no claims to be DOT approved and ensure my customers are aware of this before purchasing.

Hope that helps guys - thanks for all of the interest and good healthy discussion.
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From what I understand most the aftermarket headlights are not approved.
Actually, no headlights are "approved".
FMVSS-108 is a standard that all vehicles registered for street use much adhere to. The OEs source products and parts and build an overall machine which conforms to that standard.
Individual manufacturers make parts that they are responsible for testing and assaying to meet the federally regulated criteria.
So when JW Speaker, Hella, Trucklite, Cibie, & Koito say their products meet the standard, they mean it. They've tested it. They stand behind it and can handle the heat of close legal/safety scrutiny.

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Do you know of a legal way to solve my problem? I want a better beam pattern and more light output than stock.
Sure. All of the companies I just referenced make products that do what you're asking.

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I remember you posting a link to approved hid kits and they were something ridiculous like $1100 per side. Any other solutions to my problem?
The Hella 90mm kit is very very nice but also pricey. I can't afford it, even with generous discount offers from various sources.

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Also saying it's like not having headlights is hyperbole. From what I can tell, these do output light with what looks like a good beam pattern. They may not be legal but equating them to driving around without headlights is not a valid argument.
It's what the law states though.


I'll put a summary of what I've tested. I used a very simple method ---- an admittedly flawed method ----- to test lights. I wanted it to be easy for anybody to reproduce without a lab.

Best overall: 90mm Hella bi-xenon projectors. They blew away everything.
Second best overall: 90mm Hella bi-halogen H9 projectors.
Both sourced from Susquehanna Motorsports, the brainchild of a collaboration between Dave/Ray and Hella. Pricey performance; you need their wiring to make it work right. They sell mostly to the very fast racecar crowd and can't figure out why we Jeepers don't buy more...
They're very nice/honest people that sell the best.
And they also sell a more intro product that I'll get to.

Next in performance are Dan Stern's favorites. Koito and Cibie H4 with relays/wiring and good bulbs.
Most Jeepers should buy these if they want very good performance at a decent price. All legal, all effective.
Dan is an automotive lighting design engineer and consultant. He's often quite hard to get a hold of due to his travel schedule. He sells this stuff out of love of the industry and a hobby.

Next are the LEDs.
JW Speaker is just a tick below Cibie/Koito in performance, is pricey, has some issues in terms of light pattern, SPD, CRI, & CCT. But the light they throw is pretty darn bright and you'll never need to change a bulb.
They're not the best performers; maybe they will be in the future. But they're my choice and what I have on my Jeep.

Behind that are the Trucklites. They chose an older standard to conform with and they don't have quite the prowess of the Speakers. Their beam pattern is chunkier and they suffer from the same SPD/CRI/CCT woes. But HID does as well...
They cost less than Speaker and, again, you never have to change a bulb.
GE sells rebranded Trucklites.

Peterson LEDs.
I haven't seen them in action and haven't measured them. I've seen data on them though and feel okay recommending them. Very close in performance to the Trucklites.
Sold also as KC LEDs.

SMS sells a kit with Hella ECE-compliant H4 lamps. I had a set and liked them. The lowbeam is too low, the highbeam too high. But that worked okay for me ---- and that highbeam is a flame-thrower.

Delta is getting in the game. I'd stay away from their older ECE product but I think they're moving in the right direction. The ball is in their court...
I think they might be headed toward something I can get behind. Stop with the blue bulbs, stop with the "leaded crystal" nonsense. They have a real factory and just have to be encouraged to make something that works.

GE Nighthawk and Koito PAR-56 sealed beams work well and can be dropped in with an H4-H13 pigtail. It's not as glamorous, but it works very well.

And last, Philips Xtreme Vision H13 bulbs are an upgrade.

Stay away from PIAA bulbs. Stay away from Silverstar tinted bulbs. In fact, if you can't find it in the candlepowerstore, it's probably a junk or gimmick bulb.
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About 2 weeks ago there was a deer about 30 feet if the side of the road. As soon as I saw it, it ran in front of my Jeep. I started braking as soon as I saw it and I barely missed it. If I didn't have my HIDs in I wouldn't have been able to avoid that deer.
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Actually, no headlights are "approved".
FMVSS-108 is a standard that all vehicles registered for street use much adhere to. The OEs source products and parts and build an overall machine which conforms to that standard.
Individual manufacturers make parts that they are responsible for testing and assaying to meet the federally regulated criteria.
So when JW Speaker, Hella, Trucklite, Cibie, & Koito say their products meet the standard, they mean it. They've tested it. They stand behind it and can handle the heat of close legal/safety scrutiny.
You can't say the headlights meet a standard when the end user has to assemble them, and can modify them. The person installing aftermarket HID projectors can still make sure they meet the FMVSS-108 standard... just because the manufacture doesn't put "their" stamp of approval doesn't mean they cant meet it on the user end.. and HIDprojectors.com can make lights that meet the standard with off-road options...but again they can't control people who run them with the colored lights on-road... so yes they have to make a broad statement about them being for off-road use... welcome to the sue me generation.... where it's easier to just decline responsibility. Both the sealed7 from theretrofitsource.com and HIDprojectors meet FMVSS-108 standards, but they dont bother to say it because the second you put a colored ring in the housing they become illegal in specific states and now you need to know every state law because people will get confused about federal and local regs.

Here is a picture of my bikes retrofit I did that is 100% legal and meets the standards... yet no company i purchased them from made claims to such standards.. Something as simple as changing the color of my LEDS would have landed me in illegal territory... I made sure i used quality components, no glare, correct shields in the reflectors(DOT cut off for low-beam) and of course light colors.. DID the company i bought the parts from say they met the standards...none except for the projector cut off pattern, but i made sure everything did when i built them.

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The Hella 90mm kit is very very nice but also pricey. I can't afford it, even with generous discount offers from various sources.



Best overall: 90mm Hella bi-xenon projectors. They blew away everything.
Second best overall: 90mm Hella bi-halogen H9 projectors.
Both sourced from Susquehanna Motorsports, the brainchild of a collaboration between Dave/Ray and Hella. Pricey performance; you need their wiring to make it work right. They sell mostly to the very fast racecar crowd and can't figure out why we Jeepers don't buy more...
They're very nice/honest people that sell the best.
And they also sell a more intro product that I'll get to.
ThE Hellas are good choice, but just because they say that are DOT/SAE doesnt mean they will be in your application.. They passed the standards under specific conditions... 35w 4300k with an SAE bulb... Using a brighter bulb or 55w can make then no longer DOT.. The BI-xenon: Morimoto Mini D2S 3.0 just missed DOT because they are a tad too bright in specific locations to the left and right... using a lower output bulb can make then DOT or installed behind the housing lens could drop the output enough to pass(they used high output HID bulbs). Once you know where they stand you can take appropriate actions to try and meet DOT as best possible.. but with out the proper measuring tools if your buying a bare projectors your guessing at best...Just understand that DOT is Fed. reg... just because you don't meet it to the T doesn't mean your doing something dangerous..

HIDplanet has a lot of good info on various products i suggest people read up on if they are interested.
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I want a sealed kit that I can put in. I don't trust myself to install the hella hids Ina housing that will fit the jeep. I think the jw speakers are the front runner at this point. That also look really cool. (Sorry, Hilldweller, I'm one of those kids that wants their headlights to look cool.

I'll probably check out Dan Sterns stuff as well. Thanks for the help.
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You can't say the headlights meet a standard when the end user has to assemble them, and can modify them. ...
Right. Stop there.
A real aftermarket headlamp is sold as a unit, has been tested by the manufacturer or their 3rd party tester designate, and has been vetted to meet the legal criteria for a headlamp.
That manufacturer will stand behind their product in a court of law. That's the confidence level I'm after.
Not the advice of websites that are hawking light-shaped toys.

Why aren't we having this conversation about other safety items like brakes or tires? I'm sure there must be fashion-statement bling tires out there.
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Hi guys - just saw this thread (thanks for the kind words about our company).

Regarding legality - we sell our lights as off road use only and are up front and honest about not having DOT approval. We have thousands of different combinations for our lights which makes it nearly impossible to submit each and every combo for review. That said, our components are high quality projectors that put out (in my opinion) a better beam than most OEM projectors do today. Tupper is correct though, you should check your local laws regarding inspections and legality if you decide to use these on the street.

If I can answer any other questions please let me know. Happy to provide my phone number to interested customers, however we do not have a dedicated support number at this time. I ask everyone to go through the website or email us directly with questions first. HIDprojectors@gmail.com

Thanks,

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Totally true.... I know when I "talked" to you, you told me the very same thing that you have posted here when I asked about a DOT model and I thank you for your professionalism and honesty.
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Right. Stop there. A real aftermarket headlamp is sold as a unit, has been tested by the manufacturer or their 3rd party tester designate, and has been vetted to meet the legal criteria for a headlamp. That manufacturer will stand behind their product in a court of law. That's the confidence level I'm after. Not the advice of websites that are hawking light-shaped toys. Why aren't we having this conversation about other safety items like brakes or tires? I'm sure there must be fashion-statement bling tires out there.
Hillwellder honestly you need to shut the hell up I stood from 10 ft away up too 200ft away from my jeep to see if it would blind me. Did it? Not even a little bit so unless you have them then stop talking out of your ass you idiot. I got the red as an option and can turn it off to make it white. And if you can't notice a front of a jeep from the rear of a jeep then get off the road you old hag

And xzy cry about it it's a headlight and I use it as a headlight I don't hang them on my Christmas tree like and "ornament". My goal in life is to see without blinding ppl. And yes thanks to these hids I can. You sound like a whining grandpa
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Hillwellder honestly you need to shut the hell up I stood from 10 ft away up too 200ft away from my jeep to see if it would blind me. Did it? Not even a little bit so unless you have them then stop talking out of your ass you idiot. I got the red as an option and can turn it off to make it white. And if you can't notice a front of a jeep from the rear of a jeep then get off the road you old hag

And xzy cry about it it's a headlight and I use it as a headlight I don't hang them on my Christmas tree like and "ornament". My goal in life is to see without blinding ppl. And yes thanks to these hids I can. You sound like a whining grandpa
Wow, personal, aren't you?

"it doesn't blind me" isn't a very sound scientific method for determining the functionality of a headlamp.

In the end it is up to an individual to decide if they want to comply with laws. Whether they want to drive drunk, speed, run over children playing in the street, pay taxes, use legal safety equipment on our vehicles.
We live in a society. We are bound by laws. Laws instituted to protect us, both from each other and ourselves.
How you live in society reflects your personal morality, your ethical code. It shows who you are.

Cheech33, thanks for clearing up who you are.

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