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Old 06-27-2012, 10:38 AM   #1
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High steer kit

Anybody install a highsteer kit/drag link flip
with a 2.5" lift.
My actual lift height is over 3".

I see they require 3" Bumpstop extensions and I am not sure what TF uses.

TF uses 3" coils in the front I just don't know if the supplied extension is enough to run this kit.

From what I read a high steer kit might help cure a lot of my handling issues

Thoughts ?

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Ken,

I have installed a high steer kit. It made a huge difference. The High Steer kit consists of: Off Road Evolution Draglink Flip, $299 which comes with the Front Trackbar Mount...

Now the real difference in overall handling and control came from when I installed the rear trackbar bracket to match the front track bar high mount/draglink flip...

The bump stops I received from Teraflex was 3" and it's a requirement to run a draglink flip/ high steer.

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Ken,

I have installed a high steer kit. It made a huge difference. The High Steer kit consists of: Off Road Evolution Draglink Flip, $299 which comes with the Front Trackbar Mount...

Now the real difference in overall handling and control came from when I installed the rear trackbar bracket to match the front track bar high mount/draglink flip...

The bump stops I received from Teraflex was 3" and it's a requirement to run a draglink flip/ high steer.
Huuum so ...... Im wondering if the extensions that came with my kit are 3" or 2.5 ?
I emailed TF , the site says nothing on specs.

I already have the new bracket in the back so good there.

Soon rear UCA's

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Huuum so ...... Im wondering if the extensions that came with my kit are 3" or 2.5 ?
I emailed TF , the site says nothing on specs.

I already have the new bracket in the back so good there.

Soon rear UCA's

Thanks brother,

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Quite honestly, this is one of the problems with going over 3" or being at 3" of lift.

You need all these extra little suspension components to make it become a steady daily driver.

This high steer kit should be required on all suspension over 3" of lift because of what it does and how it works. I know why they recommend at least a min of 3" of lift and 3" of bumpstop...

If you don't meet those requirements, your jeep will be fine for daily driving, however, when you flex out the front end suspension, the trackbar which has now been raised by 3" is already close to the frame of the front end and it gets pretty close to hitting. Without bump stops and with a min of 3" of lift you would have the trackbar hitting the frame on extreme articulation.
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Quite honestly, this is one of the problems with going over 3" or being at 3" of lift.

You need all these extra little suspension components to make it become a steady daily driver.

This high steer kit should be required on all suspension over 3" of lift because of what it does and how it works. I know why they recommend at least a min of 3" of lift and 3" of bumpstop...

If you don't meet those requirements, your jeep will be fine for daily driving, however, when you flex out the front end suspension, the trackbar which has now been raised by 3" is already close to the frame of the front end and it gets pretty close to hitting. Without bump stops and with a min of 3" of lift you would have the trackbar hitting the frame on extreme articulation.
Good info.

I'll post back what I get from
TF as to the length of these stops. Honestly just looking at them, they only look to extend the factory stop maybe 2"and not long enough.
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Mine are sitting on my toolbox. I'll measure them after work if you don't have your answer Ken. I'm sure the front ones are close to 3" because they stick out a half inch before the taper to the fat ends.
The rear will be about 2.5".
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Mine are sitting on my toolbox. I'll measure them after work if you don't have your answer Ken. I'm sure the front ones are close to 3" because they stick out a half inch before the taper to the fat ends.
The rear will be about 2.5".
Thanks. They look longer but some of the BS presses into the factory location.
Exposed and not counting the factory jounce bumper thing is what matters I think ?
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Thanks. They look longer but some of the BS presses into the factory location.
Exposed and not counting the factory jounce bumper thing is what matters I think ?
I installed mine at first but yanked them within a month because it limited flex so much. I'll measure the fat part and add half inch. The stock bump stops add another half inch also. Did they say you need 3" of bumpstop or 3" more than stock?
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I installed mine at first but yanked them within a month because it limited flex so much. I'll measure the fat part and add half inch. The stock bump stops add another half inch also. Did they say you need 3" of bumpstop or 3" more than stock?
I don't understand that either. I would assume more than stock.
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You want your track bar and drag link the same angle. Thus the drag link flip when you raise the jeep. The track bar angle changes and your track bar to the drag link angle changed. Once you have the front matched move to the rear and try to match the track bar angles front and rear. When all three angles are close you will feel a noticeable difference in handling.
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I installed mine at first but yanked them within a month because it limited flex so much. I'll measure the fat part and add half inch. The stock bump stops add another half inch also. Did they say you need 3" of bumpstop or 3" more than stock?
you need 3" of bumpstop total.

yes, the draglink itself cant limit your flex but when you raise your trackbar up 3" this can limit your flex if you do not have enough lift height to begin with.
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you need 3" of bumpstop total.

yes, the draglink itself cant limit your flex but when you raise your trackbar up 3" this can limit your flex if you do not have enough lift height to begin with.
3" from what point. How would you measure that?
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You want your track bar and drag link the same angle. Thus the drag link flip when you raise the jeep. The track bar angle changes and your track bar to the drag link angle changed. Once you have the front matched move to the rear and try to match the track bar angles front and rear. When all three angles are close you will feel a noticeable difference in handling.
Do the angles match stock?
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measure from what comes out of the JK molded hole... that's the total length
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Def 3" if that's the case here.
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NO!

the yellow part completely compresses inside of the blackthing.

so from the black bump stop that goes into the jk mold, to the end of the black bump stop./
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I've only been able to compress the stock bumpstop about half way before and after the lift. I'm sure it'll stay half inch out of the extensions. Worst case scenario, just buy a set of the daystar bumpstops and trim them to size if you rub anything.
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The Evo flip kit raises the draglink, the track bar and the sway bar links. If you dont have enough lift the track bar and draglink smash into transmission cooler lines, cross member, frame and the thing you twist on the drag link to center the steering wheel hits whatever is above it. The sway bar links are also raised up and could be damaged if the springs compress to much. The bump stops prevent over compressing the springs, tire/fender damage when you stuff a tire and when you have the flip kit it also prevents damage to the sway bar links from them being pushed to far up. The swaybar links are raised up because they will no longer clear the draglink after its flipped.

I have a 4 inch lift and the underside is smashed to crap because my springs are to weak and I need to add bump stop length because apparently the ones that came with my lift aren't sufficient.

The bottom line is the Evo flip kit does wonders to correct your steering after a tall lift. It also relocates the steering stabilizer above the axle. Its a great kit just make sure you understand it.

As long as your front track bar and draglink are parallel then you shouldnt have bump steer issues. Having said that make sure you dont use a track bar bracket up front if you use the evo draglink flip kit :s
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The Evo flip kit raises the draglink, the track bar and the sway bar links. If you dont have enough lift the track bar and draglink smash into transmission cooler lines, cross member, frame and the thing you twist on the drag link to center the steering wheel hits whatever is above it. The sway bar links are also raised up and could be damaged if the springs compress to much. The bump stops prevent over compressing the springs, tire/fender damage when you stuff a tire and when you have the flip kit it also prevents damage to the sway bar links from them being pushed to far up. The swaybar links are raised up because they will no longer clear the draglink after its flipped.

I have a 4 inch lift and the underside is smashed to crap because my springs are to weak and I need to add bump stop length because apparently the ones that came with my lift aren't sufficient.

The bottom line is the Evo flip kit does wonders to correct your steering after a tall lift. It also relocates the steering stabilizer above the axle. Its a great kit just make sure you understand it.

As long as your front track bar and draglink are parallel then you shouldnt have bump steer issues. Having said that make sure you dont use a track bar bracket up front if you use the evo draglink flip kit :s
Don't those kits supply a track bar bracket ?
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Don't those kits supply a track bar bracket ?
yes they do. i'm not sure what he meant by that, but they do...

you should not flip the draglink without doing raising the trackbar mounting spot.

he is correct about everything else, includ, sway bar links being raised.
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yes they do. i'm not sure what he meant by that, but they do...

you should not flip the draglink without doing raising the trackbar mounting spot.

he is correct about everything else, includ, sway bar links being raised.
Oh ok. Curious on what he meant there.

Let me see what is available for bump stops.
I think mine are 2"
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Don't those kits supply a track bar bracket ?
Let me clarify, the Evo kit raises the track bar. Most lift kits supply a track bar drop bracket. I made the stupid mistake of installing both. Talk about bump steer... I put them both in because it gave me the clearance I needed but it really screwed up my steering. Live in learn..
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Let me clarify, the Evo kit raises the track bar. Most lift kits supply a track bar drop bracket. I made the stupid mistake of installing both. Talk about bump steer... I put them both in because it gave me the clearance I needed but it really screwed up my steering. Live in learn..
That past my mind (the drop bracket) lol
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don't consider a drop bracket an option, it sucks!
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don't consider a drop bracket an option, it sucks!
Hence the "lol"
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http://www.offroadevolution.com/stor...O-DRAGLINKFLIP

Anybody know what this kit uses for TRE/adjustment sleeve.... OEM ?
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Ken,

are you thinking about tackling this assignment yourself?

I got your text. My cell phone will be on it's way to LG for warranty.

I want to explain something, the insert you asked about will only fit on the top of the knuckle. So when you drill the hole, 7/8" pretty much boaring out from a 1/2" original diameter hole, you will be inserting that sleeve (it has an outer lip) from the top down.

It was a pain in the ass and dangerous drilling this hole. You need to have a drill gun that has or can fit a 1/2" chuck because the smallest available size drill bit (7/8") was 1/2" chuck and not 3/8". Normally/typically all drills will only fit 3/8".

I'm sure you got this covered since you work at a shop. But I warned you . And you can always give me a call in advance, hopefully I get my phone back soon. I'll be sending it on this Monday.
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And remember, since you're flipping your draglink, you will be installing 2 brackets (on each side of your swar bar link mouting holes, moving your bottom link holes up 3". So me having an adjustable sway bar links (JKS) I had to decrease the threads all the way in order to get the links to match up to the new mounting positions.



Look at the lost of clearance between the frame and flipping the draglink. So when I flex it gets pretty close to the frame.








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Yes .... Thanks for the drill tip. Let me see what I have here at work.

Was not sure on what happens with the sway links.
I will have to look at you pics more closely after work.

Most likely going for this kit tonight.
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