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Old 09-04-2013, 06:48 PM   #31
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If you think about it mechanically...that makes no sense whatsoever. I would ask if they could explain what a stabilizer does. I would also ask them to explain how the stabilizer can blow inner axle seals. They will not be able to answer either question accurately.
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Old 09-04-2013, 07:04 PM   #32
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If you think about it mechanically...that makes no sense whatsoever. I would ask if they could explain what a stabilizer does. I would also ask them to explain how the stabilizer can blow inner axle seals. They will not be able to answer either question accurately.
Well they said that the axle seals are not leaking, that there is residue on the passenger side (where it blew last time) but since the stabilizer bar is pointed that way, that's where the residue is coming from.

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I'm going to have to get my Jeep tonight, tomorrow drive to 4 wheel parts in town, take off my stabilizer bar, take it in the store for them to test, put it back on, test drive it and see if the problem persists and if it does take it back to the dealership. Shit and its going to rain here too! It don't rain much in Vegas and my Jeeps gotta be laid up for next couple if days.


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Old 09-04-2013, 07:12 PM   #33
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Well they said that the axle seals are not leaking, that there is residue on the passenger side (where it blew last time) but since the stabilizer bar is pointed that way, that's where the residue is coming from.

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I'm going to have to get my Jeep tonight, tomorrow drive to 4 wheel parts in town, take off my stabilizer bar, take it in the store for them to test, put it back on, test drive it and see if the problem persists and if it does take it back to the dealership. Shit and its going to rain here too! It don't rain much in Vegas and my Jeeps gotta be laid up for next couple if days.
Removing it is a great idea
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Old 09-04-2013, 07:22 PM   #34
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Well they said that the axle seals are not leaking, that there is residue on the passenger side (where it blew last time) but since the stabilizer bar is pointed that way, that's where the residue is coming from.

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I'm going to have to get my Jeep tonight, tomorrow drive to 4 wheel parts in town, take off my stabilizer bar, take it in the store for them to test, put it back on, test drive it and see if the problem persists and if it does take it back to the dealership. Shit and its going to rain here too! It don't rain much in Vegas and my Jeeps gotta be laid up for next couple if days.
Ask them what the stabilizer does and please post the answer. For me it's a loaded question because I haven't run a stabilizer in years and I've never had death wobble. Again, the bigger issue here is that one or more of your actual steering components has failed...and you are going to have to pay someone else to look at your jeep to tell you that. Dealerships are really only good at reading codes and this is sad.
As for testing your stabilizer, pull off the side that attaches to your tie rod, push it in and out and see if there is a fair amount of resistance. If so, you're good and that'll save you a trip.
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Ask them what the stabilizer does and please post the answer. For me it's a loaded question because I haven't run a stabilizer in years and I've never had death wobble. Again, the bigger issue here is that one or more of your actual steering components has failed...and you are going to have to pay someone else to look at your jeep to tell you that. Dealerships are really only good at reading codes and this is sad.
As for testing your stabilizer, pull off the side that attaches to your tie rod, push it in and out and see if there is a fair amount of resistance. If so, you're good and that'll save you a trip.
Ill try that when I get the Jeep home. Wife is grabbing the keys from the dealership for me. I told her to ask what one is for, but only the cashier is there and she's on her way out the door too.
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The wife said that the cashier suggested to take it to another dealership in town and that a lot of the jeeps been coming in with this problem and if more come in then there going to recall them because of the shimmy.

My wife says "shimmy? I've never heard it call that, maybe a death wobble!"

She says, "oh I've heard it called that too, I just didn't want to scare you"

Aw what the hell?!? Didn't want to scare you, haha.

Top it off they couldn't find my keys so ill be taking the spare to go get my Jeep and start the process over again with another dealership.
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Ball joints. Steering stabilizer and new trac bar.
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Mine had the same problem!i crawled under it and had the wife turn the steering wheel. Nothing. Then l checked that the bolts were torqued to spec, they where. So I backed off all the bolts and bounced on the bumper and then re-torqued everything. Crawled back under the jeep and that's when we found the the bushing in the front passenger side LCR was bad. I don't know why we couldn't find it the the other times. Ordered new bushings and installed. All is well now.
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Mine had the same problem!i crawled under it and had the wife turn the steering wheel. Nothing. Then l checked that the bolts were torqued to spec, they where. So I backed off all the bolts and bounced on the bumper and then re-torqued everything. Crawled back under the jeep and that's when we found the the bushing in the front passenger side LCR was bad. I don't know why we couldn't find it the the other times. Ordered new bushings and installed. All is well now.
Awesome! This sounds like something to check out. What's the LCR?
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Oh and the steering stabilizer is shot. No resistance. It's like a manual bike pump its so bad.


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Just replaced the stabilizer bar. It's seems to have taken care of the problem. Unless there's a greater problem that it just masked.
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Sorry, LCA lower control arm.
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Sorry, LCA lower control arm.
No problem. I thought that's what you might have meant.
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Just replaced the stabilizer bar. It's seems to have taken care of the problem. Unless there's a greater problem that it just masked.


Some times problems hide themselves. Removing bolts and looking for worn out holes bad bushings is a good idea. Especially on a jeep with the suspension setup like ours,
All it takes is for one threaded bolt to chew into the TB Mount to oversize/oval the hole to cause issues. DW 99% of the time is front track bar related. Shimmy's/wobbles put the front end under a lot of stress and more problems occur because of them. Meaning ... You can fix the cause, but now something else is lose/worn. Now you're back to square one.
It's frustrating I know, been through it. Dealerships are a joke when it comes to this. There's a sticky replacing all the 14mm track bar and lower control arm bolts with shouldered 9/16 bolts. These bolts are a tad bigger and shouldered to take of the slack and prevent wearing of the mount holes.
Another very common failure is the tie rod end that connects your drag link to the knuckle. These go bad at fairly low milage.

Do you have a gopro/Sony action cam type camera ? A couple short drives around the block filming the front end will show a lot. Film at 60 FPS to be able to get clear slow motion.
If there's a oscillation/shimmy, you will see it.
http://youtu.be/DGVbULgCP14

Here's the steer test, have someone turn the wheel while focusing on the track bar. http://youtu.be/hb6mrtqw2Ws

Good luck and if you have a few. Take a look at the Jk section sticky posts on DW.
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Dealerships are a joke when it comes to this.
Reminds me about one the guys on JKO was riding with a Jeep engineer or someone similar during EJS. When he mentioned DW to the engineer, the engineer didn't believe him about the track bar holes and bolt and believed it really was due to aftermarket parts.
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Reminds me about one the guys on JKO was riding with a Jeep engineer or someone similar during EJS. When he mentioned DW to the engineer, the engineer didn't believe him about the track bar holes and bolt and believed it really was due to aftermarket parts.
Yea I've always heard dealerships pointing the finger at aftermarket parts. "It's not our problem, the aftermarket parts to blame."

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