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Old 01-24-2012, 10:42 AM   #1
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Hotheads - 3M vs Velcro

I'm thinking about buying a set of Hotheads headliners for my 2012 JKU. Has anyone used both the Velcro and the 3M tape option? Which is easier to install? Which holds up longer?

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Good question. I have been curious as to what would hold up (Pun intended) against the heat and cold before I make the plunge.

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FWIW, I'm in the north end of the Delta in a drained swamp, so while my Jeep won't see the temperature extremes of the tropics or the arctic, our average humidity is in the 60-80% range, and I'm a little curious how the adhesive will stand up to 100+ degrees with 90%+ humidity.
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If you are going permanent, I'd go with 3M VHB tape.
They attach glass skyscraper windows using nothing but that in some applications, and I also used it a lot back when I built specialized police vehicles.
The tape itself is the adhesive, so there is no running or letting go in temperature extremes. It's a proven product.

3M VHB tape. It rocks.
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My experience may help: On my 2010 JKU, I put in hotheads with velcro. Panels started coming down within weeks. Hotheads sent out new velcro, said previous batch was bad. Rear panel came down again after a few months, hotheads sent out new panels with 3M adhesive strips. All good since. When I bought again for my son's 2 dr 2009, I ordered the 3M adhesive type. Well, front panels partially came down with this as well, so had to add construction adhesive. Fine since. All through Hotheads was willing to help so good company and great product. I didn't mind the extra effort to make it work.
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I made my own liners & used high temperature velcro brand hook & loop fastener, I got it from my apholstery supplyer. It hasn't moved in years through heat & cold
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3M also makes Velcro with VHB adhesive, but I'm not sure what they call it. Sorry.
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JCF- What material did you use for the liners. They look great!
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I recently bought the Hotheads (excellent quality btw) with the both the 3M top and velcro sides, as that is what they offer for the sides, installed in less than ideal conditions (35 degrees) and had no problems thus far. Installation is the same with either type but having had experience with alot of the velcro products in the past steered me toward the 3M for the top as even the industrial strength velcro adhesive tends to become live again at high temps causing it to move or fall off.
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3M also makes Velcro with VHB adhesive, but I'm not sure what they call it. Sorry.

It's called 3M Dual Lock. It's available at many on-line tape stores.

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Old 01-24-2012, 06:45 PM   #11
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I've got both from hot head, but have not installed yet. Temps are to low
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Got a full set of 6 for Christmas, (4dr) top panels came with 3m and have never moved since they have been up. The two side back panels only come in velcro and came loose within a month, i cleaned all areas very thoroughly as directed. changed the velcro to some industrial strength and they have not moved since. Love the Hot Heads though.
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JCF- What material did you use for the liners. They look great!
I used panel board, same as is used for the doors inside, some vinyl, adhesive spray. The panel can be cut with a ultility knife & the vinyl is cut to fit & stuck on the board with the spray ( 3M 80 Rubber & vinyl) then the velcro , 1" I used about 5 strips on each one. Anyone can do it
If you wanted to you could adhere some insulation under the vinyl, I didn't & it dropped the summer heat by heaps even without the extra insulation.
Oh & the area where the velcro is going has to be wiped clean with some wax & grease remover or alcohol,(one for me & one for the roof)
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Those that used the velcro why would you want the panels to be removable?
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I didn't want to remove them, it was just a good solution to stick 'em up there. I guess if I ever upgrade to a newer Jeep they can be taken out
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I have Hotheads with 3M. Survived 2 summers in New Mexico. Very hot but not humid.
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Great info guys, thanks!
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hi Just ordered full set in 3M tape for my 4 doors JK last week.....I live in Québec city Canada....In the summer we can reach 30 Celcius (86) with a lot of humidity...and in the winter -25 Celsius (13),I hope this product gonna help me with the temperature in my Jeep....They cost a lot $$$$$ with the shipping till here.........

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I'm thinking about buying a set of Hotheads headliners for my 2012 JKU. Has anyone used both the Velcro and the 3M tape option? Which is easier to install? Which holds up longer?

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Not sure about the question... my Hothead kit came with 3M Velcro, so hence the confused look on my face. The stuff was already on the panels, so it was just putting them into place. Had my dad help me for a perfect install. Took about 10 minutes for all the panels (including the windows) and 6 of those minutes were spent wiping the area down with alcohol. Love them.
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Good question. I have been curious as to what would hold up (Pun intended) against the heat and cold before I make the plunge.
So far, had a few stretches of VERY cold temps, and they didn't budge. They are welded on. I don't see why you would have any issues.
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I installed the HotHeads with 3M tape and they are really stuck. In particular I accidentally installed the driver side rear panel about 1/8" too far forward (due to my own stupidity) and I didn't feel like I could pull it down without major damage to the panel.

Luckily it looks fine because the affected area is actually at the front of the rear panel over the sound bar where it isn't quite all the way against the roof although it is stuck.
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Has everyone found the company good to deal with in terms of shipping and follow-up service?
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Has everyone found the company good to deal with in terms of shipping and follow-up service?
Yes. My Hotheads were made on a Friday, and one of the panels had the 3M adhesive applied in the wrong places. I called the company, and they were very nice and helpful, and they sent me out a partial roll of the adhesive with enough to put strips in the correct places and lots left over. I did my grill mesh mod with some of the left over adhesive, and still have some left.

Very easy people to deal with!
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I would think the hotheads would help the acoustics and make the radio sound better ?
Anyone notice that ?
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Not sure about the question... my Hothead kit came with 3M Velcro, so hence the confused look on my face. The stuff was already on the panels, so it was just putting them into place. Had my dad help me for a perfect install. Took about 10 minutes for all the panels (including the windows) and 6 of those minutes were spent wiping the area down with alcohol. Love them.
Both the Velcro and the 3m tape are good products. In my job, I have spent a lot of time making adhesives work with different materials. Cleaning the surface is by far the most important part of getting any adhesive to work properly. Plastic parts are made in molds. A release agent is applied to the mold so the plastic part will come out easily. It is amazing how hard it really is to clean off the mold release before using any adhesive on the surface. It may look clean, but it isn't!

Use alcohol and paper towels. Lots of them. Wipe with alcohol, throw away paper towel, wipe again with new, clean towel. If it's clean, it will stick. Just my 2 cents.

I plan on installing Hotheads too.
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I made my own liners & used high temperature velcro brand hook & loop fastener, I got it from my apholstery supplyer. It hasn't moved in years through heat & cold
Made your own ? How ? What did you use ?
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I am thinking about trying to make my own headliners. I was walking through the local Lowes and saw some foil backed foam insulation board. It looks like it would be easy to cut/shape and then cover with either fabric or vinyl. Once I get my new hard top I will give it a shot.

For those with the hot heads, do you think the side panels make a big difference? Those would be the hardest to make with the most wasted material.
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I would think the hotheads would help the acoustics and make the radio sound better ?
Anyone notice that ?
Great question Rocky! Guys? Bill?
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Yes. They both reduce outside/wind noise, and improve the interior acoustics. Most people who have commented on this on other threads noticed improvement in interior sound, as I remember....
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Those that used the velcro why would you want the panels to be removable?

Just in case the roof rack you might buy in the future may require removal of the panels for drilling and rack install purposes. At least, that was my thought.

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