How and what JK to buy - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > JK Jeep Wrangler Forum > JK General Discussion Forum

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 04-21-2012, 01:28 AM   #1
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
wmwhitey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ewa Beach Hawaii
Posts: 1,344
How and what JK to buy

First off people dont get butt hurt over this but its the truth. If your a hardcore off road person the JK Sport/ X / Sahara is for you. Why you ask cause everything on it you will change out and build your jeep the way you like. Second thing you will not need to buy the most expensive jeep there is. For all the added stuff you will only pay more for and then change it to after market is money wasted.


Now if you only wheel once or twice a month or only a few times a week have a busy life but like to have fun when you can. RUBICON is for you comes stock ready for wheeling it might not be able to go as far or have the clearance as some of the other modded jeeps. But its set up ready to go and can roll on the trail with the others.



STOCK BASIC JK SPORT 22,000


STOCK BASIC JK RUBICON 31,000

So for the 9,000 bucks you saved lets see what you could do????

$850 for 5 new 16" rims.
$1,600 for 5 new 33X12.5R16.
$2,400 for 4" long arm lift.
$250 for extended brake lines.
$350 for new XRC8 winch.
$360 for new stinger smittybilt front bumper.
$722 for new 4:88 gears front and back.

for a total of pure bad ass jeep and 6,532 spent
For a saving of 2,468

If you want to go even further this is extra
Front and back E lockers 1,542 still keeps you under the 9K mark.

Now for another thing the Rubicon has push button sway bar disconnects WTF for??? Any one that will disconnect there sway bars when done wheeling will get out and inspect there rig so for some quick disconnects its just as easy to put them back on wile inspecting your rig, Another pointless option you pay for on the Rubicon IMO.


SO HERE IS MY INFO AND THOUGHTS ON WHO SHOULD BUY WHAT STYLE JK AND HOW YOU SHOULD BASE YOUR BUYING THOUGHTS.



JEEPS ARE BUILT NOT BOUGHT

wmwhitey is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 01:51 AM   #2
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Someplace in Africa
Posts: 3,288
Great advice.

We are selling our 2010 two door pretty soon and buying a brand new 2012/13 unlimited sport and pulling at very least the front axle and swapping it for a PR44 or Dana60.

Totally agree though.

pluke the 2 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 01:56 AM   #3
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
wmwhitey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ewa Beach Hawaii
Posts: 1,344
Quote:
Originally Posted by pluke the 2 View Post
Great advice.

We are selling our 2010 two door pretty soon and buying a brand new 2012/13 unlimited sport and pulling at very least the front axle and swapping it for a PR44 or Dana60.

Totally agree though.
Thanks I seen a post about Rubicons and well all other jk's today and it got heated at what was better. So got to thinking really neither one is its really up to the owner and how the jeep is going to be used. When I got my jeep ALL I asked for was AC and a Radio I knew I was going to buy aftermarket. So the extra stuff I would be paying for would be pointless so money saved for my build.
wmwhitey is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 02:21 AM   #4
Jeeper
 
XJ Knight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Walking The Plank
Posts: 16,634
You forgot about the transfer case.. For some the NP241OR is good news and for others they are more then content with the NP241.. but if that rubicon only transfer case is what you want or desire to build something to the like or better you can tag on that cost as well.. Also the Rubicon comes with a D44 front where as the other models come with a D30. Another cost to consider

But with even that said you are 100% right.. If you are going to lean twoards a more hardcore build with especially 37+ in tires then the Sport/Sahara is a much better option then the Rubicon as you'll be more then likely striping out everything from the stock wheels to tires right up to whole axles.
__________________
-XJ- 2001 Jeep XJ Cherokee - Gone
1999 Jeep XJ Cherokee - Party Hard


-InfernoGirl- "They are the most fun you can have with your pants on..."

"Selfless over Selfish" RIP Brian "96_XJ" Perrine
XJ Knight is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 02:23 AM   #5
Jeeper
 
flyinion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 1,219
Don't forget a new driveshaft if you're in a 2012 and over 2.5" lift. Or at least that's what I've heard. AEV's website has me totally confused on that though since their FAQ says 2012 any transmission does NOT need a driveshaft replacement and earlier than 2012 only auto-transmissions do. Completely backwards from everything I've read on model years on the forums and transmission type never came into play there.
__________________
2012 JKU Sport S in BFG:
Max Tow, LSD, M/T, Connectivity, Infinity, Hard Top, Step Rails
flyinion is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 02:28 AM   #6
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
wmwhitey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ewa Beach Hawaii
Posts: 1,344
Quote:
Originally Posted by XJ Knight View Post
You forgot about the transfer case.. For some the NP241OR is good news and for others they are more then content with the NP241.. but if that rubicon only transfer case is what you want or desire to build something to the like or better you can tag on that cost as well.. Also the Rubicon comes with a D44 front where as the other models come with a D30. Another cost to consider

But with even that said you are 100% right.. If you are going to lean twoards a more hardcore build with especially 37+ in tires then the Sport/Sahara is a much better option then the Rubicon as you'll be more then likely striping out everything from the stock wheels to tires right up to whole axles.
LOL I knew I was missing something but like I said its based off the driver and what they are going to do with there rig. D44 front will be regeared or maybe even moved to a D60 later.


HEHEHEHE Rubicon = redneck soccer mom J/K J/K Rubicon owners just giving you hell. I am looking at the Rubicon U for my wife and will only do tires and a lift if I get it.
wmwhitey is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 02:30 AM   #7
Jeeper
 
XJ Knight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Walking The Plank
Posts: 16,634
Quote:
Originally Posted by flyinion View Post
Don't forget a new driveshaft if you're in a 2012 and over 2.5" lift. Or at least that's what I've heard. AEV's website has me totally confused on that though since their FAQ says 2012 any transmission does NOT need a driveshaft replacement and earlier than 2012 only auto-transmissions do. Completely backwards from everything I've read on model years on the forums and transmission type never came into play there.
All JK's from 07-present after 2.5in of lift will need a new driveshaft. It' is 3in of lift before needing a new driveshaft for the JKU. Transmision has no effect on this
__________________
-XJ- 2001 Jeep XJ Cherokee - Gone
1999 Jeep XJ Cherokee - Party Hard


-InfernoGirl- "They are the most fun you can have with your pants on..."

"Selfless over Selfish" RIP Brian "96_XJ" Perrine
XJ Knight is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 02:39 AM   #8
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
wmwhitey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ewa Beach Hawaii
Posts: 1,344
Quote:
Originally Posted by XJ Knight View Post
All JK's from 07-present after 2.5in of lift will need a new driveshaft. It' is 3in of lift before needing a new driveshaft for the JKU. Transmision has no effect on this

????? I have a 2010 sport 4" lift and didnt buy or need a new driveshaft.


YET but I have flexed it pretty hard and like others it dont rub or touch anything looks clean and healthy still. I will say I have been told that it will only last around 20k miles then brakes so till then I will give it hell and buy another when it breaks.
wmwhitey is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 02:42 AM   #9
Jeeper
 
flyinion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 1,219
Quote:
Originally Posted by XJ Knight View Post
All JK's from 07-present after 2.5in of lift will need a new driveshaft. It' is 3in of lift before needing a new driveshaft for the JKU. Transmision has no effect on this
Huh, now I'm really confused then. Maybe I'm confusing the exhaust crossover issue? BTW the AEV thing that confused me was the FAQ on their 3.5/4.5 lift page. I thought the 2012 had an issue with anything over 2.5 blowing out the CV joint in the front due to a sharper angle than the 2011 and earlier?
__________________
2012 JKU Sport S in BFG:
Max Tow, LSD, M/T, Connectivity, Infinity, Hard Top, Step Rails
flyinion is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 02:59 AM   #10
Jeeper
 
XJ Knight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Walking The Plank
Posts: 16,634
It's the same across the board for 07-present with the drive shaft issues when going over a certain hight of lift for each wrangler model however perhaps you are confusing yourself as your right about the exhaust issue only being for the 2012's and not the 07-11's..
__________________
-XJ- 2001 Jeep XJ Cherokee - Gone
1999 Jeep XJ Cherokee - Party Hard


-InfernoGirl- "They are the most fun you can have with your pants on..."

"Selfless over Selfish" RIP Brian "96_XJ" Perrine
XJ Knight is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 03:46 AM   #11
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
wmwhitey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ewa Beach Hawaii
Posts: 1,344
HMMMM guess I am lucky I have a 2010.
wmwhitey is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 04:11 AM   #12
Jeeper
 
XJ Knight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Walking The Plank
Posts: 16,634
Quote:
Originally Posted by wmwhitey View Post
HMMMM guess I am lucky I have a 2010.
I have no idea why your stock drive shaft is still alive let alone working for you if you have that much lift. People have been known to be OK for a bit of time if they stay on the pavement at 3in of lift with the JK but where's the fun in that..

What lift do you have?
__________________
-XJ- 2001 Jeep XJ Cherokee - Gone
1999 Jeep XJ Cherokee - Party Hard


-InfernoGirl- "They are the most fun you can have with your pants on..."

"Selfless over Selfish" RIP Brian "96_XJ" Perrine
XJ Knight is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 04:49 AM   #13
Jeeper
 
JEEPDON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Over the hill
Posts: 1,213
Quote:
Originally Posted by wmwhitey View Post



STOCK BASIC JK SPORT 22,000


STOCK BASIC JK RUBICON 31,000

So for the 9,000 bucks you saved lets see what you could do????

$850 for 5 new 16" rims.
$1,600 for 5 new 33X12.5R16.
$2,400 for 4" long arm lift.
$250 for extended brake lines.
$350 for new XRC8 winch.
$360 for new stinger smittybilt front bumper.
$722 for new 4:88 gears front and back.

for a total of pure bad ass jeep and 6,532 spent
For a saving of 2,468

If you want to go even further this is extra
Front and back E lockers 1,542 still keeps you under the 9K mark.

.


SO HERE IS MY INFO AND THOUGHTS ON WHO SHOULD BUY WHAT STYLE JK AND HOW YOU SHOULD BASE YOUR BUYING THOUGHTS.



JEEPS ARE BUILT NOT BOUGHT
You also need to factor in labor costs, most people do not have the skills nor tools to do the diffs and a lot do not have the ability to do the 4" long arm. So now it is going to cost more than the Rubi. Also need to factor in D44 or D60
__________________
Don
Happy Jeeping
Experience= What you get right after you need it the most!!
JEEPDON is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 05:20 AM   #14
MallCrawler

WF Supporting Member
::WF Moderator::
 
kjeeper10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 31,577
Quote:
Originally Posted by JEEPDON
You also need to factor in labor costs, most people do not have the skills nor tools to do the diffs and a lot do not have the ability to do the 4" long arm. So now it is going to cost more than the Rubi. Also need to factor in D44 or D60
And 4:1 TC

__________________
2007 Rubicon/Rock Krawler TR 2.5 coils/rear TB/Rancho 9000 31/32XL shocks/Teraflex monster TB/Synergy highsteer,tie rod, ball joints/Hankook MT 315-75-16 on Level 8 ZX's/MC front SB links/Rancho geo brackets & shocks/Fox ATS stabilizer/Adams front DS=Frankinlift from hell.

Lifting your JK? Read this!!



Click HERE to become a WranglerForum Supporting Member!
kjeeper10 is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 05:30 AM   #15
Jeeper
 
chim-chim7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Lakeside, California
Posts: 694
I went with the Rubicon. Working 12 hrs. a day in the aerospace industry keeps me out of my garage more than I like. Now the only thing I need to add is a lift, wheels, and tires.
chim-chim7 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 05:31 AM   #16
MallCrawler

WF Supporting Member
::WF Moderator::
 
kjeeper10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 31,577
Quote:
Originally Posted by chim-chim7
I went with the Rubicon. Working 12 hrs. a day in the aerospace industry keeps me out of my garage more than I like. Now the only thing I need to add is a lift, wheels, and tires.
Ditto
__________________
2007 Rubicon/Rock Krawler TR 2.5 coils/rear TB/Rancho 9000 31/32XL shocks/Teraflex monster TB/Synergy highsteer,tie rod, ball joints/Hankook MT 315-75-16 on Level 8 ZX's/MC front SB links/Rancho geo brackets & shocks/Fox ATS stabilizer/Adams front DS=Frankinlift from hell.

Lifting your JK? Read this!!



Click HERE to become a WranglerForum Supporting Member!
kjeeper10 is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 05:38 AM   #17
Jeeper
 
JEEPDON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Over the hill
Posts: 1,213
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post
And 4:1 TC

Yup, forgot that. I paid like 1200 for one with 20,000 miles on it! and haven't sold my stock one yet. Probably not a lot of people looking to upgrade to another stock command-trac!!
__________________
Don
Happy Jeeping
Experience= What you get right after you need it the most!!
JEEPDON is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 08:42 AM   #18
Jeeper
 
mud_puppy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 166
Ooh, another Rubi bash thread. How about just enjoying the Jeep you have and letting others do the same. Don't tell me how to spend my money unless you support me.
__________________
3/3/12-Ordered Bright White JKUR
4/5/12-Released by plant
4/9/12-Loaded onto rail
4/13/12-Unloaded from rail
4/19/12-Delivered to dealer
4/19/12 <===Me
mud_puppy is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 09:05 AM   #19
Jeeper
 
redrockman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 101
X2
redrockman is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 09:13 AM   #20
MallCrawler

WF Supporting Member
::WF Moderator::
 
kjeeper10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 31,577
And 3
__________________
2007 Rubicon/Rock Krawler TR 2.5 coils/rear TB/Rancho 9000 31/32XL shocks/Teraflex monster TB/Synergy highsteer,tie rod, ball joints/Hankook MT 315-75-16 on Level 8 ZX's/MC front SB links/Rancho geo brackets & shocks/Fox ATS stabilizer/Adams front DS=Frankinlift from hell.

Lifting your JK? Read this!!



Click HERE to become a WranglerForum Supporting Member!
kjeeper10 is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 09:23 AM   #21
Jeeper
 
JIMBOX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 9,916
Heh Heh--cracks me up --

--------------------------RE--------------------------------

--X4

JIMBO
__________________
"ya gotta have class"
JIMBOX is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 09:26 AM   #22
Jeeper
 
lolpetewtf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Sudbury, MA
Posts: 1,943
We all know this already OP.
__________________
2012 Cosmos Blue JK
Galaxy DX-99v2/Sirio 5000

S Package/Auto/Dual Top
Custom Stereo/20% Tint
lolpetewtf is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 10:16 AM   #23
Jeeper
 
damndirtydog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Eden Utah
Posts: 1,545
Quote:
Originally Posted by JEEPDON View Post
You also need to factor in labor costs, most people do not have the skills nor tools to do the diffs and a lot do not have the ability to do the 4" long arm. So now it is going to cost more than the Rubi. Also need to factor in D44 or D60
Ditto. I think Mr wmwhitey's list is probably low balled by atleast 3-4 thousand dollars.
Go down to Moab and look in the parking lots of ALL the Jeep expedition companies and you'll find basically stock Rubi's with 2.5 Teraflex spacer lifts. There were a few that were slightly more modified, but none of the freak show stuff you see in the manufacturers advertisements.
For a Rubicon, I believe all the offroad goodies are there. Plus you can roll all those Rubi extras into a car payment, and then add your own personal bling out of pocket. And, you'll have no problem selling Wrangler parts on Craigs list or Ebay.
Wish I could have afforded the extra 10,000 beans when I bought my X to go up to the Rubicon. But I'm having fun with a slow build up as I gather up $$ one Jeep part at a time.
damndirtydog is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 11:07 AM   #24
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
wmwhitey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ewa Beach Hawaii
Posts: 1,344
Quote:
Originally Posted by mud_puppy View Post
Ooh, another Rubi bash thread. How about just enjoying the Jeep you have and letting others do the same. Don't tell me how to spend my money unless you support me.
This is not a thread to bash rubicons if you read all my post I even say I am looking into buying one.

I do think its just funny how most Rubicon owners get all spun up over small comments and posts how to make the cheaper better.
wmwhitey is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 11:24 AM   #25
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
wmwhitey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ewa Beach Hawaii
Posts: 1,344
Quote:
Originally Posted by mud_puppy View Post
Ooh, another Rubi bash thread. How about just enjoying the Jeep you have and letting others do the same. Don't tell me how to spend my money unless you support me.
along with the others posting X2 X3 do you want me to post all the threads at people asking at what JK they should buy???? You guys have your heads up your A** TO MUCH AND MUST NOT KNOW HOW TO READ EVERYTHING. THIS THREAD WAS NOT BASHING ANYONE OR TELLING YOU HOW TO SPEND YOUR MONEY.

I can see from your post your SMART ENOUGH to know what is the smart buy.
wmwhitey is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 11:45 AM   #26
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
wmwhitey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ewa Beach Hawaii
Posts: 1,344
Also a lil info for you Rubicon owners that think I have a issue with what you have. The one person I ask 99% of my tec or mod questions on here has a Rubicon.
wmwhitey is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 11:46 AM   #27
MallCrawler

WF Supporting Member
::WF Moderator::
 
kjeeper10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 31,577
Quote:
Originally Posted by wmwhitey

along with the others posting X2 X3 do you want me to post all the threads at people asking at what JK they should buy???? You guys have your heads up your A** TO MUCH AND MUST NOT KNOW HOW TO READ EVERYTHING. THIS THREAD WAS NOT BASHING ANYONE OR TELLING YOU HOW TO SPEND YOUR MONEY.

I can see from your post your SMART ENOUGH to know what is the smart buy.




~ x 3 guy
__________________
2007 Rubicon/Rock Krawler TR 2.5 coils/rear TB/Rancho 9000 31/32XL shocks/Teraflex monster TB/Synergy highsteer,tie rod, ball joints/Hankook MT 315-75-16 on Level 8 ZX's/MC front SB links/Rancho geo brackets & shocks/Fox ATS stabilizer/Adams front DS=Frankinlift from hell.

Lifting your JK? Read this!!



Click HERE to become a WranglerForum Supporting Member!
kjeeper10 is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 11:52 AM   #28
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
wmwhitey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ewa Beach Hawaii
Posts: 1,344
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjeeper10 View Post




~ x 3 guy

lol my bad I get a lil spun up when I was making this post to help others but start seeing crap about Another Rubicon bash thread EVEN when one of my post say I am looking to buying a Rubicon and only do lift and tires due to it is set up stock ready to roll.
wmwhitey is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 12:42 PM   #29
Jeeper
 
JIMBOX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 9,916
That doesn't fit--in another thread, you said you had modified your SPORT, so well and it was BAD A** and you challenged any RUBY to try to follow you-off-road !!


Quote:
Originally Posted by wmwhitey View Post
lol my bad I get a lil spun up when I was making this post to help others but start seeing crap about Another Rubicon bash thread EVEN when one of my post say I am looking to buying a Rubicon and only do lift and tires due to it is set up stock ready to roll.
Now, I don't know how many RUBY owners that live in Hawaii, read that, but

Were you planmning on shipping your SPORT to the main, or paying for us to ship our RUBY to Hawaii ???

Curious

JIMBO
__________________
"ya gotta have class"
JIMBOX is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-21-2012, 12:59 PM   #30
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
wmwhitey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ewa Beach Hawaii
Posts: 1,344
Your correct bro I will challenge any Rubi I DIDNT SAY I WOULD DO BETTER LOL. I just like to wheel and the military shipped it out here and in 3 more years they will be shipping it back.

wmwhitey is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Wrangler Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




» Network Links
»Jeep Parts
» Featured Product

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:15 AM.



Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC