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Old 07-17-2012, 02:45 PM   #1
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how are mud tires on snowy roads

So I have 35"bfg km2 and I'm wondering how they would be on snowy slushy crappy northeast ohio roads?

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I have the stock Rubicon MT's and they did fine last winter. We had a couple of pretty good snow storms and I was impressed how well they did.

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MT's do a good job on soft snow of reasonable depth. On packed snow or ice, they are treacherous.
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:05 PM   #4
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The wider the tire, the worse they handle in the snow because they tend to "float" on top of it rather than get through to the pavement.
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Also with no siping, they suck on hardpack and ice.

I will be changing mine out before winter, for sure.
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:13 PM   #6
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I just get mine sipped. Makes a huge difference.
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I just get mine sipped. Makes a huge difference.
Where can you get them sipped and how much is it?
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:24 PM   #8
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So I have 35"bfg km2 and I'm wondering how they would be on snowy slushy crappy northeast ohio roads?
Km2 are not that good in snowy conditions. They do well in deep ridiculous stuff, but what mud tire doesnt. Km1 as on Rubicon also known as the Original Bfg Mud are much better in your everyday winter weather including deep stuff, but still are no snow tire.
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:25 PM   #9
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Im almost positive ive seen on discount tires website they offer siping. I dont remember how much. Just check out their website.
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So compared to whatever tire saharas come with how much worse will the km2s be
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You can purchase tire groove cutters and sipe your own. Ive seen some really cool and effective custom cuts.
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:29 PM   #12
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So compared to whatever tire saharas come with how much worse will the km2s be
IMO, the highway tread Goodyear SRA as on the saharas and such, have adequate siping and perform decent in bad weather.
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So I have 35"bfg km2 and I'm wondering how they would be on snowy slushy crappy northeast ohio roads?
I run these in 37" siped and they are pretty good. Siping makes ALL the difference
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Discount/Americas tire does it pretty cheap. I think I paid $100 for all 5 tires. That was for rotating, sipping and balancing.
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The stock Wrangler SR-As on the new Sport did better on hard packed snow than the BFG MTs on the old Rubicon.
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IMO, the highway tread Goodyear SRA as on the saharas and such, have adequate siping and perform decent in bad weather.
Sahara's come with Bridgestone Duelers.
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MT's do a good job on soft snow of reasonable depth. On packed snow or ice, they are treacherous.
That's true. I was driving on some deep snow. It was alittle squirly on the packed stuff, but it was fun!
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That's true. I was driving on some deep snow. It was alittle squirly on the packed stuff, but it was fun!
Yeah MT's are pretty good at keeping you from getting stuck, but going steep downhill on packed snow ... crazy!

Siping does help, and AT's are even better. But, at the end of the day, the rubber compound is so important. People have a tendency to look at the tread pattern and assume a given tire will perform well under certain circumstances. But dedicated snow tires have a soft compound that conforms way better than a regular street tire compound.

Conversely, any MT that lasts a reasonable amount of time is going to need a pretty hard compound - the large voids on an MT mean that relatively little rubber is contacting the road at any given time compared to an AT or street tire.

For my usage, studded BFG KO's in the winter, BFG KM in the summer is the ticket. If that were too much effort, I'd just get Duratracs and run them year round.
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Siping does help, and AT's are even better. But, at the end of the day, the rubber compound is so important. People have a tendency to look at the tread pattern and assume a given tire will perform well under certain circumstances. But dedicated snow tires have a soft compound that conforms way better than a regular street tire compound.
That is true and I usually only run dedicated winter tires too. But if you already have the tires and are in an area with snow, at least some of your local tire shops will sipe. You might have to call around and check if you are bringing in used tires. I know that one of our shops will only sipe brand new tires. I don't know if that is common...
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Sahara's come with Bridgestone Duelers.
Even better
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That is true and I usually only run dedicated winter tires too. But if you already have the tires and are in an area with snow, at least some of your local tire shops will sipe. You might have to call around and check if you are bringing in used tires. I know that one of our shops will only sipe brand new tires. I don't know if that is common...
Les Schwab siped some used KM's for me, they had at least 10k miles on them. But yeah, some places won't sipe used tires and some places won't stud used tires either.
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I have heard KM2’s are not good in snow. They have no siping. Duratracs and Safari TSR’s are snow rated as are Falken Wildpeaks. Maybe you can get a set of the aforementioned for “winter” tires. Maybe some pizza cutters.

I slid out a few times in packed ice last winter with my 35” Kelly TSR’s but they are wide (315) and I am on stock 3.73 gearing so I have a virtually nonexistent low range. I suspect when my 5.13’s go in, I will regain my low gear and be just fine in winter conditions.

PS: The winter conditions I speak of are not in Phoenix. I have to drive into winter conditions in the AZ high country.

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ok so up untill reading this i was getting km2's next week now im worried i might not like them in the winter months in nebraska so then that spring the question do 285/70/17 duratracs rub on a stock jk with no lift
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ok so up untill reading this i was getting km2's next week now im worried i might not like them in the winter months in nebraska so then that spring the question do 285/70/17 duratracs rub on a stock jk with no lift
Who are you buying them from? You may be able to get them siped, then they will be great in winter.

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Who are you buying them from? You may be able to get them siped, then they will be great in winter.

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Grahm tire here in lincoln and can some one tell me what the hell is siping
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Grahm tire here in lincoln and can some one tell me what the hell is siping
Siping are the little slots in the tire treads. Look for tires with high silicon content in the rubber.
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so, what would be the best non-studded tires to fit stock JKU Sport S rims for someone living in lake effect snow country? Opinions sought.
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This all comes back to i really don't want to lift my jeep right now and the 255/80/17 km2's would be awesome and fit pretty well but I like the Duratracs but I don't like I have to get 11.5" wide tires to get close to a 33" tall tire and have to maybe get wheel spacers
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so, what would be the best non-studded tires to fit stock JKU Sport S rims for someone living in lake effect snow country? Opinions sought.
265/70r17 BFG AT KO.
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This all comes back to i really don't want to lift my jeep right now and the 255/80/17 km2's would be awesome and fit pretty well but I like the Duratracs but I don't like I have to get 11.5" wide tires to get close to a 33" tall tire and have to maybe get wheel spacers
Check Tire Rack for ice & snow ratings. Stock tires aren't bad in ice & snow. If you don't want dedicated winter tires look @ GY silent armor.

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