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Old 08-31-2011, 10:51 PM   #1
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How many water leaks until i can get a new one?

Anybody know how many water leaks a 2011 jeep wrangler have until i can do the lemon law or the dealership gives me a different one?

I brought it once and they said it was fixed. Not!

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Old 08-31-2011, 11:39 PM   #2
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if the vehicle is brought in 3 times for the same repair or the vehicle is at the dealer for 30 days to fix a repair. then you can go into the lemon law. i do advise you read the lemon law for your state. since each state lemon law is different.

the water leak might have to be the same water leak area you are concern about. it may not apply to a different water leak area. but again, read the lemon law for your state.

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Lemon law is a big pain to deal with and a water leak issue is one that will be a challenge. Try and work with the dealer and regional rep to get resolution. They all want to solve the problem even if it shouldn't be a problem. Best of luck for a speedy resolution.
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AFAIK it has to be a drivability issue with the vehicle before it can be lemon lawed. Water leaks are not drivability issues, more like fit and finish issues. Anything that affects the safety of the vehicle or prevents it from becoming road worthy is something that can be used for a lemon law case. Your issue is just a frustration issue and the dealer can and may jerk you around with it if they feel like it. It might be better to deal directly with Chrysler HQ and avoid the dealer.
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AFAIK it has to be a drivability issue with the vehicle before it can be lemon lawed. Water leaks are not drivability issues, more like fit and finish issues. Anything that affects the safety of the vehicle or prevents it from becoming road worthy is something that can be used for a lemon law case. Your issue is just a frustration issue and the dealer can and may jerk you around with it if they feel like it. It might be better to deal directly with Chrysler HQ and avoid the dealer.
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Old 09-07-2011, 04:02 PM   #7
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Well, also like I said. Check with the state you live in. But drive-ability issue might be normal for all state.
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Old 09-07-2011, 04:35 PM   #8
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some lemon laws dont apply to offroad vehicles either, I wonder if the mass lemon law covers jeeps.....
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Old 09-07-2011, 05:01 PM   #9
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Drive ability or affect the resale value,which wet moldy carpets will do
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Old 09-07-2011, 05:04 PM   #10
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IIRC, a member here named JK'n was successful in getting a dealer to take back his JKU and exchange another due to leaks, under the threat of a lemon law claim. You might want to PM him.
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Old 09-07-2011, 05:05 PM   #11
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I see so many people talking about their leaks. What do the consider a leak? I have some water on the passenger side and both sides of the gate. Only a few drops though. No puddles.
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I am not a jeep owner long and I already have learned tha to own a jeep you got to love the leak. Plug one leak another eventually opens.

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Old 09-07-2011, 06:56 PM   #13
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'sneck' I am sure that Mass Law will cover a Jeep I believe the covenant stipulating Off-Road Vehicles refers to things like ATV's. Just MHO.
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Old 09-07-2011, 07:31 PM   #14
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My 2008 JK had many leaks but my 2010 JKU has never had one. New vehicles including Jeeps SHOULD NOT LEAK!
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Old 09-07-2011, 07:38 PM   #15
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I think someone wants a 2012 and wants to use the lemon law to get it
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My 2008 JK had many leaks but my 2010 JKU has never had one. New vehicles including Jeeps SHOULD NOT LEAK!
Not even a little?
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Old 09-07-2011, 07:54 PM   #17
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Twice in one weaks time for the same leak now waiting on chrysler to call back to dealer to decide what they are going to do
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Old 09-07-2011, 08:21 PM   #18
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My 07 leaks.. And were not talking a drip, were talking the seats and carpets saturated. They get so wet, they won't dry just by staying in jeep, I have to remove the carpets to get them to dry. it's getting VERY frustrating. And I've read on several threads about this that there hasn't been a fix found.
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I can't for the life of me understand why they can't resolve the leak issue with the hard top once and for all? This has been going on for years. I can understand if the hard top is on and off a hundred times or put on wrong leaks can happen. I would think a new Wrangler off the truck with a factory installed hard top roof should not leak. I can also understand the soft top might leak. When you pay the kind of money Jeep is asking for a Wrangler I don't think a leak free hard top is out of the question. JMO
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AFAIK it has to be a drivability issue with the vehicle before it can be lemon lawed. Water leaks are not drivability issues, more like fit and finish issues. Anything that affects the safety of the vehicle or prevents it from becoming road worthy is something that can be used for a lemon law case. Your issue is just a frustration issue and the dealer can and may jerk you around with it if they feel like it. It might be better to deal directly with Chrysler HQ and avoid the dealer.
Got a new jeep in 11 of 07. Jeep got it back in 8 of 08. I signed a gag statement so can't divulge details of the buyback. My hardtop leaked. They made SEVERAL attempts to fix it. Then bought it back. I would consider that proof enough that this can and does happen.

One of the major functions of an automobile, especially in this day and age, is to keep water out. Water inside the vehicle WILL effect drive-ability. Consider all of the electrical connections, switches, and devices just for starts. Ever been in a vehicle that has been in a flood? Things work intermittently, etc. not to mention the stench from mold and mildew. In a new jeep that has a leak that can't be solved after several attempts it is the result of more than fit and finish.

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IIRC, a member here named JK'n was successful in getting a dealer to take back his JKU and exchange another due to leaks, under the threat of a lemon law claim. You might want to PM him.
MTH is a very smart man.

It wasn't just the dealer. The factory rep was the deciding factor. The dealer then provided the man hours necessary to make it happen. The replacement vehicle leaked in the exact same spot. They adjusted it. It leaked again. They adjusted it again and FINALLY no leaks. It hasn't leaked in three years. They made a totally satisfied customer out of me.

If it leaks now, I'm on my own. It is well out of warranty. I have confidence enough in my abilities that I will get it to stop leaking. But fresh off of the show room floor, it should not leak.

I didn't raise my voice once. I didn't get insulting or threatening. I let them try and fix it. Just like I did on the second jeep. I worked with them and they worked with me. IMHO it takes a lot of patients to work your way through something like this. Good luck to you with leaking brand new jeeps. Have patients and document every visit.
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Try going through the full install instructions of the hardtop from the beginning including the windshield adjustment... Its not that hard and I did mine once and that's all it took after buying the hardtop used... That and simple green all the hardtop seals... spray on rag wipe/rub into seal wipe off with wet towel after 30sec. to 1 min.
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Old 09-08-2011, 07:47 AM   #22
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Just purchased mine last week and itís in the shop since Tuesday for water leaks. Iíll give them four tries and then it goes back to the dealer and I get a new Jeep. If it is a continuous problem I hope the dealership works with me. I donít want to send my wife because she can get ghetto in the snap of a finger.
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Just purchased mine last week and itís in the shop since Tuesday for water leaks. Iíll give them four tries and then it goes back to the dealer and I get a new Jeep. If it is a continuous problem I hope the dealership works with me. I donít want to send my wife because she can get ghetto in the snap of a finger.
The problem is that YOU will not be the one making the decision to turn the jeep back to them. I would call it more like an agreement, both sides must agree. I think they are perfectly aware that you could hire a lawyer at try number 4 and demand a new jeep.....and fight with them in court. They are also aware of the costs for you to do that. Their lawyers are experienced at doing what they do. Your lawyer....maybe not so experienced. Anyway, eventually they may come to the conclusion to buy it back. I would have been just as happy if they had fixed my leak but by the time the last attempt came we pretty much both agreed that we had given it our best shot at fixing it. I got another jeep because I had confidence that eventually even if the new one leaked, that they would find out what was wrong with it. They may have even taken mine back so that they could study this particular leak. There were many many that leaked in the same spot as mine. They fixed the replacement jeep, which leaked in the exact same spot, in two tries. Make your own conclusions as to why. They made me a happy owner in the process.
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How much of a leak? I see water on both front doors, but it's not pooling on the floor.
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I wouldnt trade MY jeep in...done two many mods .you cant blame chrysler for the top they dont make it besttop makes them .but i totally agree a 30k jeep shouldnt leak at all
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Anybody know how many water leaks a 2011 jeep wrangler have until i can do the lemon law or the dealership gives me a different one?

I brought it once and they said it was fixed. Not!
Just got mine back last night from the service department. Went out this morning and 3 out of 4 floor boards are soaked. Looks like someone poured a gallon of water in each area. This is obviously not just a simple leak. Its going back tonight.
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Man this makes me SO leery of buying a jeep. Yeah yeah I know it's a jeep blah blah you have to expect leaks. I say BS to that. Nobody wants a moldy, mildewy smelling interior especially in one that costs as much as these vehicles do.
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Man this makes me SO leery of buying a jeep. Yeah yeah I know it's a jeep blah blah you have to expect leaks. I say BS to that. Nobody wants a moldy, mildewy smelling interior especially in one that costs as much as these vehicles do.
Keep in mind that you are reading about a very vocal minority. No one is joining this forum to proclaim that their Wrangler doesn't leak.
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Man this makes me SO leery of buying a jeep. Yeah yeah I know it's a jeep blah blah you have to expect leaks. I say BS to that. Nobody wants a moldy, mildewy smelling interior especially in one that costs as much as these vehicles do.
I'd say, with an attitude like that, I agree with you that you probably shouldn't buy one. ANYONE who is considering buying a jeep has to take this particular issue into consideration in purchasing a jeep. I for one agree that a brand new jeep which costs anywhere from $25K ish to $35K ish should not leak upon delivery BUT buyers shouldn't be surprised if it does. That doesn't mean that you should just accept it the way it is. Jeeps that leak upon delivery are within the domain of the dealer to remedy. Leaks that develop after delivery depending on the circumstances will most likely fall to the owner to remedy.

All jeeps, especially ones that are not taken care of effectively will eventually leak. This is the part of jeep ownership that jeepers refer to when they say....it a jeep thing....
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Are you guys sliding the tops onto the car or lifting and dropping them straight onto the seals? I had a single leak after putting the tops on wrong. After i adjusted them they were leak free. Remember to do the windsheild latches LAST and DONT crank down the hand cranks in the soundbar. Also my freedom tops have been off many times.
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