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Old 10-12-2010, 01:23 PM   #1
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How often do you replace your windshield?

I'm just trying to get a little information here. My company mainly deals with exotic cars, and one of our products is a clear film that is installed on windshields to prevent them from pitting or cracking from road debris. A Ferrari windshield can run $2,000-$3,000, so there is high demand in that segment!

However, I own a Rubicon, and after having to replace my original windshield after 6 months of driving it out of the dealership, I put the film on and haven't had any problems since. Because the Wrangler windshield is so flat - and because we abuse our Jeeps like nobody else! - I thought that the Jeep market might need the film.

Normally, a custom install on a Ferrari or other exotic car runs $400-$500 bucks. Since Jeep owners are such do-it-ourselves kind of people and because the Jeep windshield is so flat, I think Jeep owners are capable of installing it themselves if the film is pre-cut and pre-molded. My company has made a few prototype kits with all tools for installation and can sell them at $100 retail... certainly easier and cheaper than replacing the windshield.

Sorry for the long post. Any feedback is appreciated! Is my company wasting time or do you think this product fills a Jeep need?

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What exactly is involved in the installation? It must be pretty precise to be $400-$500. I'm thinking one slip and you just ruined it. I might consider it if the total cost was under $100. My deductible is $50. Many have $0 deductible for glass.

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Dagg, thank you for the feedback!

That's one reason I'm not sure if there's a need for this product in the Jeep world. However, most insurance companies only replace the windshield once per year, you're paying a premium for that glass coverage, and replacement glass is never the same quality as the factory glass/seal.

We charge exotics $400-$500 because that's what it's worth to those customers. Our cost on a Jeep kit with all materials is close to $70. The film itself is very expensive! As mentioned, the kit comes with everything needed to do the install, and the film is already pre-cut and molded to the Wrangler windshield.

The install is pretty darn easy. I've never done window tint or anything like that before, and I installed the ClearPlex film on my personal Wrangler with no issues (just had my wife help!). The only difficult part of the install is making sure not to get dirt trapped between the film and windshield. The rest is easy.
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I would buy it.... Need a new windshield now and my 87 I replaced yearly when my insurance would pay for it.
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AND, if you ask nicely, some of the Jeepers here would offer their rigs as test units
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AND, if you ask nicely, some of the Jeepers here would offer their rigs as test units

HAHA! That's sooooo nice of you guys!

I need someone to volunteer for a rollover test. Any takers?!

Seriously though, if there's enough interest here, I might be willing to ship out a couple kits at our cost. I personally know the product works; I've taken a spring-loaded punch to my personal windshield to demonstrate. Normally that puts a huge bullseye in the glass, and it did nothing to mine.
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I need someone to volunteer for a rollover test. Any takers?!.

I have a Taco SAS for the rollover test!
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What kind of guarantee/warranty would accompany said product?
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What kind of guarantee/warranty would accompany said product?
Currently, there is a 1 year/12,000 mile warranty. We're working on getting that bumped to a 2 year/24,000 mile warranty.
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i got 100% glass coverage. i can get a new 1 every day if i wanted ... but im sure the insurance company would dump me.

i do like the idea.
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Currently, there is a 1 year/12,000 mile warranty. We're working on getting that bumped to a 2 year/24,000 mile warranty.
I'd definitely say warranty would be a definite deciding factor. 1 year regardless of miles, insurance would cover for say the $50 deductible.
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I'd definitely say warranty would be a definite deciding factor. 1 year regardless of miles, insurance would cover for say the $50 deductible.

Personally, I was paying just over $5 per month (~$60 per year) for windshield insurance, and I had a $50 deductable. In Colorado, it's easy to go through a Jeep windshield at least every year; mine lasted 6 months. So the math for me was easy in favor of ClearPlex.

But I fully realize that not everyone will agree on that point, and that's really why I wanted to talk to everyone here. If there's demand, my company will push forward; if there's not, then we won't. How often do you have a direct influence on whether a product comes to market?!
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It sounds cool, but you can get a new window installed for ~$250. I can't see paying $100 to have a protective film on it.
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Personally, I was paying just over $5 per month (~$60 per year) for windshield insurance, and I had a $50 deductable.
Wow, your insurance is expensive... I'm glad I don't live in CO, I guess...

Good luck with your product.
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Overall insurance isn't bad here... but windshield coverage is bad because of how many windshields we go through. With all the snow, we always have crap on the roads. Most people go through at least one windshield per year.

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Wow, your insurance is expensive... I'm glad I don't live in CO, I guess...

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I read your website. I'm more interested in the UV protection, anti-glare, and the cooling effect it would have. Does it stop 100% UVA/B? What kind of heat reduction are we talking, 1%, 10%? (on an average hot day..)

Also, it says it can be removed at the end of its usable life, so how long is that for a DD that is never in a garage and driven in a Colorado type environment?

Finally there's an example Treated vs Untreated windshield that shows damage, what was the test, was it equal on both windshields? I'd like to see a video demo, maybe of treated/untreated being shot with a pellet gun?
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I live in AZ where temperatures are in the 115 -120 some times. Would it hold up to constant heat? Also I would be willing to test for you, but I have a JK do you have a kit for that?
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I read your website. I'm more interested in the UV protection, anti-glare, and the cooling effect it would have. Does it stop 100% UVA/B? What kind of heat reduction are we talking, 1%, 10%? (on an average hot day..)

Also, it says it can be removed at the end of its usable life, so how long is that for a DD that is never in a garage and driven in a Colorado type environment?

Finally there's an example Treated vs Untreated windshield that shows damage, what was the test, was it equal on both windshields? I'd like to see a video demo, maybe of treated/untreated being shot with a pellet gun?
On a Ferrari or Lambo with a huge windshield, it makes quite a difference on heat inside the car. However, on my Wrangler, the windshield is smaller and doesnt allow much sun into the vehicle, so I don't notice much of a difference. Besides, the problem spot on my Wrangler is the hardtop roof; the interior of the roof gets super hot sitting in the sun and bakes the inside of my Wrangler!

It does block over 95% of UVA/B.

The lifespan of the film can vary considerably. Whenever a large rock hits the windshield, it leaves a very small divet in the film. Over time, these divets can become annoying or impair vision if they're clustered in front of the driver. I've had ClearPlex on my Wrangler for almost a year and about 15k miles. So far, I have about half a dozen divets scattered around the windshield, but I'm certainly not in any need of replacing the film.

We use a spring-loaded punch to demonstrate the film. Normally, the spring loaded punch would put a huge bullseye in the glass, or sometimes even cause a large crack. It simulated a rock travelling at about 100mph. With the film, it simply puts a small divet in the ClearPlex, and the glass underneath is untouched.

We've had testing conducted with a pellet and also small rocks at speeds up to 120mph. I'm happy to email the adobe file to any of you! Just shoot me a PM with your email address and I'll send it over.


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120 degrees doesn't bother the film. My company also has a small fleet of exotic rental cars, and we run them in Arizona sometimes with no problems.

I appreciate the offer to test the film. I've been doing that for about the past year and have had great results!
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I've got a buddy in the field. I'll ask his review of the clearplex brand. I know there's tons of brands of films, and lots of claims...But I trust his opinion...I'll update once I hear more.
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On a Ferrari or Lambo with a huge windshield, it makes quite a difference on heat inside the car. However, on my Wrangler, the windshield is smaller and doesnt allow much sun into the vehicle, so I don't notice much of a difference. Besides, the problem spot on my Wrangler is the hardtop roof; the interior of the roof gets super hot sitting in the sun and bakes the inside of my Wrangler!

It does block over 95% of UVA/B.

The lifespan of the film can vary considerably. Whenever a large rock hits the windshield, it leaves a very small divet in the film. Over time, these divets can become annoying or impair vision if they're clustered in front of the driver. I've had ClearPlex on my Wrangler for almost a year and about 15k miles. So far, I have about half a dozen divets scattered around the windshield, but I'm certainly not in any need of replacing the film.

We use a spring-loaded punch to demonstrate the film. Normally, the spring loaded punch would put a huge bullseye in the glass, or sometimes even cause a large crack. It simulated a rock travelling at about 100mph. With the film, it simply puts a small divet in the ClearPlex, and the glass underneath is untouched.

We've had testing conducted with a pellet and also small rocks at speeds up to 120mph. I'm happy to email the adobe file to any of you! Just shoot me a PM with your email address and I'll send it over.

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120 degrees doesn't bother the film. My company also has a small fleet of exotic rental cars, and we run them in Arizona sometimes with no problems.

I appreciate the offer to test the film. I've been doing that for about the past year and have had great results!
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A new Jeep windshield installed goes for $140 here. I just got one last week.
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I've got a buddy in the field. I'll ask his review of the clearplex brand. I know there's tons of brands of films, and lots of claims...But I trust his opinion...I'll update once I hear more.
That'd be great. ClearPlex has been around for a while now, but the previous generations of film were junk: hard to install and scratched very easily. The current and upcoming generation are the first time the film actually lives up to its claims. ClearPlex is a very small part of our company; we mainly specialize in exotic cars (renting, storing, cleaning, transporting, etc). But so far, we've been very impressed.

There are a lot of different films available for different parts of the vehicle, but ClearPlex is the only one with a patent and federal approval to go on the windshield.

A Chinese company attempted to copy the design and sell the product in California, but they were shut down.
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Where do you have installers? (this is purely out of curiosity. as my Lotus' windshield runs ~1300.00 and I don't want to replace it again.)

However, for 500.00 I could replace it again(that was my deductible last time).
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does sound like a good idea! but, I'm just putting it out there, what about us with windshield banners? I'm guessing the install won't work with our stickers on there? and even if we put the banners on top of the protective film, when we have to replace it the stickers go with it... Personally I love my banners (my wranglerforum.com one especially ) and I wouldn't want to have to take them off, but I guess a cracked windshield necessitates that as well, huh?

so the question is, will the film be fine being installed over our banners? again, just putting it out there!
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Where do you have installers? (this is purely out of curiosity. as my Lotus' windshield runs ~1300.00 and I don't want to replace it again.)

However, for 500.00 I could replace it again(that was my deductible last time).
We actually do a lot of Lotus windshields, and on the Elise, we do the inside of the rear glass. When the top is off, the aerodynamics are such that rocks often fly over the windshield and then dip inside the passenger compartment and crack the back glass. Lotus windshields and back glass are small and simple installs. Expect around $300 installed.

Where do you live? My main job is setting up a network of dealers. We are the distributors for the Western states, and we've only begun setting up dealers. Chances are, there isn't one where you live... yet.


As for banners and stickers on the windshield, simply put the ClearPlex over the stickers. Your windshield will be safe, your stickers will be safe, and if you ever have to replace the ClearPlex at some point, you won't have to worry about buying more stickers.
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Sounds like an awesome product. However, in FL, as long as you have full coverage on your vehicle windshield replacement is free. So that might limit your customer base down here.
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We actually do a lot of Lotus windshields, and on the Elise, we do the inside of the rear glass. When the top is off, the aerodynamics are such that rocks often fly over the windshield and then dip inside the passenger compartment and crack the back glass. Lotus windshields and back glass are small and simple installs. Expect around $300 installed.

Where do you live? My main job is setting up a network of dealers. We are the distributors for the Western states, and we've only begun setting up dealers. Chances are, there isn't one where you live... yet.

Well I'm inclined to believe you, b/c that is a well known issue in the Lotus world.

I live in Odessa, TX. I had to drive 12 hrs total to get the windshield replaced...so do you have any in Texas at all?

My friend lives in another state, and here's his reply. (He sells and installs Paint protection films among other things).

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I've heard of the product but never tried it out myself. My friend that installs a lot of paint film claims to have used it, and said the wipers scuffed it all up. He said it was the same as hurricane film that is applied to the glass of buildings (that are subject to hurricanes).
Honestly that is all I know about it, and I'm not sure he used the exact product you mentioned. If you get some great testimonials on the product from real customers, please share them with me. I'm curious about the product myself.
So consider me curious. I'd love to hear from some customers. and If you have a installer within a few hrs drive of me I could take the lotus out as a guinea pig.
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It sounds cool, but you can get a new window installed for ~$250. I can't see paying $100 to have a protective film on it.
x2. The film is not going to be a once and done deal either, I'm sure it will have to be replaced every couple of years or so as well. I like the idea, but I probably wouldn't consider it for anything over $50 DIY.

Are there any UV blocking properties to the film?
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Well I'm inclined to believe you, b/c that is a well known issue in the Lotus world.

I live in Odessa, TX. I had to drive 12 hrs total to get the windshield replaced...so do you have any in Texas at all?

My friend lives in another state, and here's his reply. (He sells and installs Paint protection films among other things).



So consider me curious. I'd love to hear from some customers. and If you have a installer within a few hrs drive of me I could take the lotus out as a guinea pig.
We have two dealers in the Dallas area; one is brand new that I'm going down to train next weekend. The other is a high-end tint and clear bra shop that has been doing it for a few months.

Your friend is correct. The film was originally developed as blast film for buildings and has now evolved for the auto world. Early versions didn't have a hard outer layer and were easily scratched. The current generation has a hard acrylic out layer and is safe to use with ice scrapers and windshield wipers. Another generation is on the cusp of coming out that promises to be even better. Like window tint and clear bras, the product wasn't perfect when it first arrived and is always going through updates to make it better.

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