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Old 02-18-2009, 04:27 PM   #1
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How rare are manual transmissions in JK's?

Just curious. Every where I see, they are almost always automatics now. I am glad I went for the manual though when I got mine.

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Just curious. Every where I see, they are almost always automatics now. I am glad I went for the manual though when I got mine.
Manual tranmissions are rare in all cars now days because the average Amoronican can't drive them. We've made driving a right and a necessity, instead of the privilege it should be. And made it way too easy to get a driver's license!!

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Manual tranmissions are rare in all cars now days because the average Amoronican can't drive them. We've made driving a right and a necessity, instead of the privilege it should be. And made it way too easy to get a driver's license!!
That is the truth. I just moved my girl back to MI from OK this past weekend. I drove a 16' Penske moving truck and trailered her GTI all the way. After driving 1100 miles in a vehicle like that, I am sure that most American drivers have the IQ of broccoli.
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I would say that you'll find more Wanglers (of any year) have sticks in them than any other make of vehicle out there. Fact is that most folk that intend on wheeling prefer a stick. Mines an auto btw, because it will spend most of its time on city streets and I hate shifting gears.
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When I was younger I had nothing but manuals.... Now that I am too damn old and there is too much traffic in my area to be shifting gears... BUT probably like many here, I feel you should prove to DMV that you CAN drive a manual before getting the DL.... My father taught me on an old chevy pick up.... 3 on the tree....

I do miss that truck.... trying to imagine my kids figuring it out...
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I agree that most people are idiots when it comes to common sense and driving. Most cars now have so many gadgets to make cars idiot proof it is crazy. From back up buzzers built into rear bumpers so you don't hit the post behind you to reverse cameras so that you no longer have to look over your sholder. Heck, even headlights that come on for you when it gets dark. For the people who can not tell when it is necessary I guess. I think it all started with the seat belt buzzer and went from there. I love my bare bones YJ with manual trans and no frills necesseties.

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Old 02-18-2009, 10:24 PM   #7
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When I was younger I had nothing but manuals.... Now that I am too damn old and there is too much traffic in my area to be shifting gears... BUT probably like many here, I feel you should prove to DMV that you CAN drive a manual before getting the DL.... My father taught me on an old chevy pick up.... 3 on the tree....

I do miss that truck.... trying to imagine my kids figuring it out...
Well I'm 52 and still drive a manual, even my wife's SUV is a manual!!

And I too learned to drive in a Chevy pick up 3 on the tree, with a full cab over camper on it!!!

I took my drivers test in a full size Chevy Van with 3 on the tree. At my drivers test the lady instructor was aghast, "You're taking your test in that?" I said yes, and she said "Go up and parallel park between those two cars." She didn't get in. I parked the van no problem. She opened the door and got in and said "OK, just go around the block once". I went around the block once, she told me to park, she signed the form, handed it to me and I went in and got my license.
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All of my vehicles are equipped with manual transmissions. Some cars are just better suited to have a manual transmission. A Jeep is definitely one of them.
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Old 02-19-2009, 06:06 PM   #9
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When I was younger I had nothing but manuals.... Now that I am too damn old and there is too much traffic in my area to be shifting gears... BUT probably like many here, I feel you should prove to DMV that you CAN drive a manual before getting the DL.... My father taught me on an old chevy pick up.... 3 on the tree....

I do miss that truck.... trying to imagine my kids figuring it out...
Funny I learned to drive a stick in a 71 GMC 1/2 ton 3 on the tree. Brings back memories. To the op's question, in the Baltimore area there is a mix, my dealer keeps a good amount of both on hand, mine is an auto btw. My first Jeep was a 5 speed, when I bought the JK my wife had to drive it also since it is our second vechile, plus I can't eat fries and shift.
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Old 02-19-2009, 06:34 PM   #10
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mines a stick, my old tj was a auto, my older yj was a stick and my oldest yj was a stick then i converted it to auto (easier to do the v8 swap). i didnt care if i got a auto or stick i just wanted a 2 door rubi and bought the only 1 could find locally
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Old 02-19-2009, 09:07 PM   #11
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Just curious. Every where I see, they are almost always automatics now. I am glad I went for the manual though when I got mine.
My 2008 JK is a manual... so is my YJ, CJ8, and Willys CJ3A!
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In my home country you have to learn to drive manual cars to get a DL...but after I got my DL there, I never got another chance to touch a manual car...lol
Now that there's too much traffic on the road, it's easier with an auto car, and I just think I will have a bit more time when dealing with emergencies, say driving on snow covered roads
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when we ordered my wifes rubicon, yes ordered because you couldnt find a white or red rubicon 6 speed w/ my gig and nav. any were on the east coast or mid west. so we ordered and they told us 4 to 6 weeks. took 13 weeks and a couple of days.
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My 2007 JK is manual and I love it. Is it really a Jeep if it's automatic??

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My 2007 JK is manual and I love it. Is it really a Jeep if it's automatic??

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Well most of the comp Jeep's are auto's so I guess the answer would be yes.
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a comp jeep is not a jeep its a fully space framed vehical built from the ground up then they mount a jeep body on it so no its not a true Jeep.


my mines a stick by the way.
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I learned to drive in my dad's 2 door cherokee 3-speed. Now many years later I have an 06 TJ 6-speed (which my son will be learning on) I have been looking at the JKs and the only ones that I have seen have auto transmissions. I will get a 4-door Rubicon JK when it is time to let my son have the reigns to the TJ.
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Old 02-26-2009, 01:09 PM   #18
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Hm... I got mine automatic 'cause I have a problem with my left knee... so I didn't had a choice. Automatic cars where developed for that reason, not for idiot drivers...
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no automatics weren't created for idiots, automatics create idiot drivers thats the problem.
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I learned on a 62 dodge dart 3 on the tree. Great car. Couldn't kill it. Only had two cars that were automatic. A 75 ford torino, had it only a few months. And a caravan soccer dad car which I had 7 years. Am damn sure glad to be out of an automatic. I got the rubi 4dr 6spd. Love driving it even in traffic. I consider my standard like an automatic because my shift hand just seems to know what to do with it. It happens automatically without thinking about it. I drive in the northeast so there is plenty of snow and mud. I think a standard handles better and that I have more control in different driving situations including glare ice. I drove home once about 15 miles on ice. Cars off the road in every direction. My baby hugged the road and made it home no problem. I never felt like I was out of control. I suppose that there are plusses and minuses in both. I think I was born with a standard stick in my hand though, it just comes natural. Don't think I'll own another automatic unless I got a bum leg or something. Then that would force me to go the other way. But until then, it's standard for me.
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I work at a Jeep store in the Northeast- I have to say, about 2/3 Wranglers we sell is a 6-speed. Even in the other models, we sell a fair number of manuals. Up here, almost every other Honda, Subaru, Wrangler, and the like are stick. Makes me happy, but it makes for some SCARY test drives with folks who THINK they can drive stick Mark W.
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I've never even considered the possibility of an automatic tranny in a Wrangler...I figured that was for the same people who buy 2wd Wranglers...17 year old girls with rich daddies or maybe someone with a handicap of some sort...driving an auto feels a lot like driving a golf cart...anticlimactic at best.
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Hah ^ I like that. Auto's scare the crap out of me, as we get a good bit of snow up by me, and we have lots of hills and tight turns- fun driving country, no doubt Mark W.
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I drove both the 6 speed and auto JK's and prefer the 6 speed any day (I even live in Chicago). The 3.8 isn't the most powerful engine so shifting when I want to was a huge decision maker for me plus it's very smooth. 6 speed, period.
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I like the automatic. I've had many stick shifts and they are fine too. I think the auto is better for offroad.
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When I was younger I had nothing but manuals.... Now that I am too damn old and there is too much traffic in my area to be shifting gears... BUT probably like many here, I feel you should prove to DMV that you CAN drive a manual before getting the DL....


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I've never even considered the possibility of an automatic tranny in a Wrangler...I figured that was for the same people who buy 2wd Wranglers...17 year old girls with rich daddies or maybe someone with a handicap of some sort...driving an auto feels a lot like driving a golf cart...anticlimactic at best.
Glad to see you're so all knowing. I'm neither 17, rich nor a girl. I ordered an automatic after doing a bit of reading and test driving one. The 6 speed felt loose and sloppy where the auto actually felt like it had more get up and go. Odd, I know. I've been driving sticks for 30 years and certainly don't mind them. My diesel pickup is a 6-speed. Overall, for what I plan to do with this Jeep, auto was the better choice. Educated, considered choice... as opposed to your all knowing generalization.
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Glad to see you're so all knowing. I'm neither 17, rich nor a girl. I ordered an automatic after doing a bit of reading and test driving one. The 6 speed felt loose and sloppy where the auto actually felt like it had more get up and go. Odd, I know. I've been driving sticks for 30 years and certainly don't mind them. My diesel pickup is a 6-speed. Overall, for what I plan to do with this Jeep, auto was the better choice. Educated, considered choice... as opposed to your all knowing generalization.
This is how it gets when we start generalizing and personalizing. I choose to try and keep the subject to talking about the vehicle. How I feel about the vehicle. What my experiences are and possibly what others have said about the vehicle to me. I will try not to say how others should feel about it or generalize how others should feel about it.

In the quote above, I'm not sure what you mean by loose and sloppy. Mine is geared as low as it gets from the factory, me thinks, at four to one. It also sits up pretty high compared to other vehicles that I have been in. This combination may tend to make me think mine is loose and sloppy especially in first and second gear. The first time I test drove a Jeep several years ago (stick), my first impression was that it was clunky because of how it responded to a jerk on the accelerator. I think that had more to do with the gearing. My current jeep feels a little more smooth than the one I test drove years back. I think because it is a 4 door with a slightly longer wheel base it seems to smooth out the ripples a little. My sister called hers a little squirrelly when describing the ride and that is now how I describe mine...squirrelly. I can imagine that the automatic will tend to play that down because of the well chosen shift points and such. Or if you are into standards practice in shifting it will also even out the rough points of missing the friction point or jumping on the accelerator a little hard while messing up on the clutch or choosing the wrong gear in a certain situation and feeling like a cat not landing on its feet when falling. All of these things are solved by purchasing an automatic.

My personal feeling and I stress the word feeling is that I get more control in a standard. For instance TUG said:

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After pulling 3000 lbs behind me in a utility trailer I would tend to agree with that. I get to decide which gear I'm in while that wee bit of an engine is pulling the load up a fairly steep incline. This is one of the reasons I feel I have more control. BTW I didn't buy it for getting off of the stop line, rather, for hauling my butt (and family and friends butts too) and gear into strange and wonderful places so that I can do things like camping, kayaking, shore SCUBA, bicycling etc, etc, etc.

Another situation I feel I have more control in is muddy rutty bumpy rock laden mud pits. In these situations you get to decide if you want to coast with the clutch in or with the gears engaged.

When I'm climbing in 4 low through rocky terrain I get to decide which gear I want to be in rather than the rpm deciding for me. I feel like I have better control in this situation. As far as controlling backwards slip on an uphill rock climb an automatic driver may claim better control but my feeling is get into that situation more often with your standard and learn how to control that bad boy clutch a little better. For some folks, they may just not want to spend the time doing that or have just committed to letting the vehicle do it for you and skip the learning part. After all, making a mistake in a situation like that can be costly, better let the automatic make all the decisions for you because it is technically correct on every decision it makes. You get the idea.

My opinion is that it is truly a personal choice. It has to do with were you have been and where you are going and how you decide to get there. There is both literal and figurative meaning in that last sentence. Don't let the gears of a standard scare you off while making a decision. But if you just aren't into it for whatever reason, get the automatic.

I taught a family how to snorkel today in a pool. They could probably be just as happy observing the bottom from a glass bottom boat. But they wanted to take the time and learn how to snorkel so they could experience that part of life. Now, that guy's kids will have a life long experience practicing the skill if they so choose. To me, that is what driving a standard is like. You choose to drive one and practice it for the rest of your life if that is how long you want to do it.

I'm into life for the adventure. Right now I'm doing it in a standard jeep and really loving the experience. You have to decide what is right for you. Maybe because of a physical disability you choose an automatic. The important part is that you get in the thing and go places. Places that are off the beaten path. For those with no disabilities, an automatic makes things easy while you are getting off the beaten path, that is OK too. Maybe for these folks, the fun is just the adventure and not the choices of gear or clutch in or out in a particular situation...go for it. I consider the gear and clutch part of my adventure. It's what makes me happy.
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since my jeep is mainly an offroader not a dd i needed that control over the vehical and needed to be able to keep the engine at any rpm for as long as i want. i go and offroad with my friend who has like 20 something inches of travel on his fully custom built suspension on his ranger and he has an auto on his. i get to what everyone calls blowsand, a huge sand mountain with lots of different steepness trails. i go up the steepest trail first put it in third and keep the rpms just off the rev limiter all the way up the hill very slowly but made it. i look behind me to see where my friend is about half way up the hill with his truck up to its axles in sand. his is 4 wheel drive with a bigger more powerful v6 but still got stuck because when he needed to stay just at the rev limiter his tranny would always up shift for him. i know you would say put it in first or second and drive up the hill but you cant because in those gears you cant get enough speed to carry the momentum up the hill. any way just like jk'n said it is all up to personal preference. my friend likes his auto cause his truck is also his dailly driver i like my stick cause i can make my jeep go any where i want. so we dont need any mean natured comments about how autos suck or manuals are the worst the person just wanted to know was what kind of tranny is in your jk.
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In the quote above, I'm not sure what you mean by loose and sloppy.
Simply that the shifter felt loose and sloppy compared to most other vehicles I've driven. My Ram with 70,000 miles has a tighter feeling transmission than the brand new Jeep I drove. I also didn't have a good feel for the shifting and being in the right gear for the roads I was on, though I realize that would come with experience on the engine/tranny combo.

As for controlling things, you can always limit the shift points of an auto my moving the shifter down a gear or two to prevent it upshifting and lowering your RPMs, no?

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