Hypothetical Recovery Situation - Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > JK Jeep Wrangler Forum > JK General Discussion Forum

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 07-09-2014, 08:38 AM   #1
Jeeper
 
drev500's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Posts: 99
Hypothetical Recovery Situation

Here's the situation, you are stuck but have a very long tow strap or multiple tow straps, whatever. You have stock LSD so wrap the strap around the tire that is spinning and attach the other end to a tree. Could you pull yourself out? Someone every try this?

drev500 is offline   Quote
Old 07-09-2014, 09:11 AM   #2
Jeeper
 
schirmyver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 296
I am trying to understand what you are thinking, but it seems like a bad idea to me.

If you are trying to immobilize the wheel that is spinning you will have to have that strap pretty tight. If the tree is behind you it will prevent you from moving forward. If the tree is in front of you, as you get closer the tension will be released as you move forward then allowing the strap to wrap around the wheel.

Won't the stock BLD do the same thing?

__________________
Schirmyver

2012 JK Unlimited Sahara
Retired: 2002 KJ LE
Retired:1990 YJ
schirmyver is offline   Quote
Old 07-09-2014, 09:14 AM   #3
QUEEN OF MALLCRAWLERS

WF Supporting Member
 
mommymallcrawler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
Posts: 4,537
I wouldnt. I suspect that tow strap would either get wound around that tire like no tomorrow and/or pull it right off or damage a buncha stuff in the process. A tire is not a safe recovery point in my opinion. Just asking to break stuff or hurt yourself or both.
__________________
2014 JKR Granite Crystal, 5.13 Auto: RK X Factor 2.5 Inch Lift, Artec Front and Rear Truss, Artec Rear LCA Mounts/Skids, Poison Spyder HD Crossmember, Rock Hard Gas/TC/Evap/Oil Skids, Rough Country Front & Rear Diff Sliders, Nitto Trail Grapplers 37x12.5x17, Pro Comp 97 Series Wheels, Synergy Weld On Rear Trackbar Bracket, PSC Hydroassist, T6 Aluminum Tie Rod, G2 Gold Chromoly Axle Shaft, 1310 driveshafts.
mommymallcrawler is offline   Quote
Old 07-09-2014, 09:20 AM   #4
Jeeper
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Denton, TX
Posts: 19
I think what he is saying is allow the strap to rotate around the spinning tire, therefore acting, in itself, like a winch.

I'm thinking it wouldn't be my first choice.
Kerbouchard is offline   Quote
Old 07-09-2014, 09:43 AM   #5
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
NoGaBiker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Johns Creek, GA (ATL)
Posts: 2,242
In theory it could work -- same principle as why a yo-yo climbs back up its string. But the execution? You'd have to secure the free end of the rope to the tread somehow -- run a screw through the end of the strap and into a tread block? Then you'd have to somehow ensure the rope stayed out on the tread and spooled up on that, rather than slipping off to the outside or inside and futzing the whole show.

But the real question is this: the whole point of LSD is that it prevents you from being in a situation where all the torque is going to the tire that has no traction. Are you saying that neither tire has traction? Because you said: "wrap the rope around the tire that's spinning."
__________________
NoGaBiker

Current: Anvil '14 Willys JK 6M; Black '11 Grand Cherokee Overland Hemi-powered drone
Previous: Hunter Green '92 XJ Cherokee Laredo 4.0; White 92 XJ Cherokee Limited 4.0
NoGaBiker is offline   Quote
Old 07-09-2014, 09:53 AM   #6
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
wayne d's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stuart, Florida
Posts: 847
My grandfather did this with a tractor one time. Wrapped a chain through the tire and attached a cable. Engaged the posi and very slowly winched it out.
Worked like a charm.
__________________
Best regards from Florida.
Now Pass the Rum!
Wayne,
2014 Anvil JKU
Thanks to all those that have served and are still serving protecting the freedoms we love.
wayne d is offline   Quote
Old 07-09-2014, 10:04 AM   #7
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
NoGaBiker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Johns Creek, GA (ATL)
Posts: 2,242
Quote:
Originally Posted by wayne d View Post
My grandfather did this with a tractor one time. Wrapped a chain through the tire and attached a cable. Engaged the posi and very slowly winched it out.
Worked like a charm.
I saw MY grandfather do it once when my father (his son-in-law!) ran the tractor down into a swamp. I can't remember how grandpa attached the chain -- I was just a little kid -- but it was amazing to watch it work.

But that was a big-ass tire with huge tread blocks, and a chain. A lot more friction working there.
__________________
NoGaBiker

Current: Anvil '14 Willys JK 6M; Black '11 Grand Cherokee Overland Hemi-powered drone
Previous: Hunter Green '92 XJ Cherokee Laredo 4.0; White 92 XJ Cherokee Limited 4.0
NoGaBiker is offline   Quote
Old 07-09-2014, 10:17 AM   #8
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Great White North
Posts: 260
I'd like to see the youtube on this. Guaranteed the strap will slip off the wheel (assuming you can get it around the stuck wheel in the mud and secured) and when it comes off it is sure to damage some body part.

If you need a winch, use a winch.

The tractor one may have worked but the diameter of the tractor tire is such that a cable placed through the front of the wheel between the spokes and rotated 180 degrees to the back will result in a pull of 3' or so. With chain or cable there is very little stretch so it could work, and if the V groves in the tractor tire keep the cable centered you might even get a couple of turns. I've chained a log to the front of stuck tractor tires and rotated it 90 degrees so I'm sitting on top of it and then stuffed more logs in front, removed the chains and drove off. It's not easy to do as you need one foot for the clutch and then heel toe the two brake pedals as one wheel will always turn more than the other. (Old tractors have separate brake pedals for each rear wheel with a clip that can join them both together.)

But I would not recommend anyone do this with tow straps unless you're only other choice is imminent death.
WorkingMan is offline   Quote
Old 07-09-2014, 11:48 AM   #9
Jeeper
 
2013 Moab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Sullivan Cnty, NY
Posts: 1,441
There is a video of some guys in a middle eastern desert doing this exact thing, it worked well for them.
2013 Moab is offline   Quote
Old 07-09-2014, 11:53 AM   #10
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 830
I would first try to use the tow strap as a traction aid.. just under the wheel not wrapped around. If you secure it to something solid that might make up the difference.
mhicanders is offline   Quote
Old 07-09-2014, 12:08 PM   #11
Jeeper
 
cornfedksboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Kansas
Posts: 1,009
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2013 Moab View Post
There is a video of some guys in a middle eastern desert doing this exact thing, it worked well for them.
I've seen the video too. One end of the strap was wrapped around the wheel and the other was tied to a bag of sand that was buried. Slow turn of the spinning wheel to wrap the tire with the strap and then off it went.
cornfedksboy is offline   Quote
Old 07-09-2014, 12:15 PM   #12
Jeeper
 
drev500's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Posts: 99
Quote:
Originally Posted by NoGaBiker View Post
In theory it could work -- same principle as why a yo-yo climbs back up its string. But the execution? You'd have to secure the free end of the rope to the tread somehow -- run a screw through the end of the strap and into a tread block? Then you'd have to somehow ensure the rope stayed out on the tread and spooled up on that, rather than slipping off to the outside or inside and futzing the whole show.

But the real question is this: the whole point of LSD is that it prevents you from being in a situation where all the torque is going to the tire that has no traction. Are you saying that neither tire has traction? Because you said: "wrap the rope around the tire that's spinning."
I am just talking about a hypothetical situation.

I should have better explained the situation but if you wrapped the strap around the tire several times then I could see that the strap would become tight around the tire and hold.

But yes, like you said, the LSD would prevent the one tire from being the only tire spinning so I guess what I a trying to get at is wrapping the recovery strap around any tire that has power (spins).

Like someone said above, you would have to be able to get to the tire that is submerged in mud or water but if you were able to wrap it around and secure it so it would slip around the tire, would it work?

I am not trying to say this would be an alternative to using a winch but I what I am getting at is if it could be used as a "last resort option." I am bored at my desk and thought about it. I mean, if I was dumb enough to go some where without a winch and I was by myself, with no tools (shovel, jack, etc.), no cell phone to call anyone, hiking out is impossile and there is no other option besides the rocovery strap I have, could it be done?

It worked on tractors but what about a Jeep that doesn't have the gear reduction of a tractor?

Ha sorry for the silly post but it was just an idea I came up with that I thought could possibly work if you were S.O.L (Sh*T out of luck). I didn't know if anyone else had tried it or not.
drev500 is offline   Quote
Old 07-09-2014, 12:19 PM   #13
Jeeper
 
WatchThis!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: East Texas
Posts: 4,494
Y'all are missing something. If it was lsd in the mudd and you did manage to get a strap around the spinning tire you very well might have one big issue. Said tire would most likely get in a bigger bind and then the other tire would start to spin. If you had a real heavy lsd and/or wasnt stuck to bad it might just work though.

Time for someone to go try this out. We need to form a jeep type MythBusters.
__________________
I'm here to participate. I didnt come all this way just to watch.

My jeep's thread http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/che...st-111461.html
WatchThis! is offline   Quote
Old 07-09-2014, 12:27 PM   #14
Jeeper
 
drev500's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Posts: 99
Quote:
Originally Posted by WatchThis! View Post
Y'all are missing something. If it was lsd in the mudd and you did manage to get a strap around the spinning tire you very well might have one big issue. Said tire would most likely get in a bigger bind and then the other tire would start to spin. If you had a real heavy lsd and/or wasnt stuck to bad it might just work though.

Time for someone to go try this out. We need to form a jeep type MythBusters.

Ya with the LSD, it is a big variable that adds a lot of what Ifs to the situation that I can only guess the outcome.

But yes, someone who is wheeling this weekend has to be the guinea pig.
drev500 is offline   Quote
Old 07-09-2014, 12:28 PM   #15
Jeeper
 
Dragonscape's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: South Carolina; Rather be Florida
Posts: 418
Your only going to move 30 or so inches per revolution; Assume no other problems in doing the deed, doubt 3-6 feet will set you free
__________________
LATER
Dragonscape is offline   Quote
Old 07-09-2014, 12:33 PM   #16
Jeeper
 
drev500's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Posts: 99
Circumference (how uch rope pulled per revolution)= PI(3.1416) x D(diameter). With y stock 32's, that would be PI x 32" = 100.53".
drev500 is offline   Quote
Old 07-09-2014, 01:00 PM   #17
Jeeper
 
Ditchdoc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Placentia
Posts: 3,444
Yes it does work. Pick the wheel that has no traction if it's a open diff. Got to make sure the line is straight with the wheel. This came from cars crossing the Australian desert. It's not good for long haul but just for getting out of the pit.
__________________
Bender Bending Rodriguez is my role model.
Ditchdoc is offline   Quote
Old 07-09-2014, 02:22 PM   #18
Supporting Member

WF Supporting Member
 
NoGaBiker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Johns Creek, GA (ATL)
Posts: 2,242
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragonscape View Post
Your only going to move 30 or so inches per revolution; Assume no other problems in doing the deed, doubt 3-6 feet will set you free
Au contraire, I've never been stuck that 3-4 feet of movement backwards into my tracks wouldn't get me unstuck. Remember, the truck was moving just fine one foot before it got stuck.

Oh, and your math's way off. 32" wheels will rotate 100" (8+ feet) per revolution.
__________________
NoGaBiker

Current: Anvil '14 Willys JK 6M; Black '11 Grand Cherokee Overland Hemi-powered drone
Previous: Hunter Green '92 XJ Cherokee Laredo 4.0; White 92 XJ Cherokee Limited 4.0
NoGaBiker is offline   Quote
Old 09-22-2014, 05:32 PM   #19
Jeeper
 
drev500's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Posts: 99
hmmm... interesting video adding to my question:

drev500 is offline   Quote
Old 09-22-2014, 06:27 PM   #20
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Chelan County, Washington
Posts: 386
I was trying to think of that one - it's pretty interesting! The wheel Winch.

Have seen the video before. Looks like it works just fine!

Regards, CW
Cascade Wanderer is offline   Quote
Old 09-22-2014, 10:04 PM   #21
Jeeper
 
Rouxbicon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 250
Rouxbicon is offline   Quote
Old 09-22-2014, 10:12 PM   #22
Jeeper
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 46
It's possible in theory, and that wheel winch is pretty damn cool to say the least. Then again, I'd really only do this in an emergency. There's many better options for pulling your car out than wrapping a tow strap around your wheels.
thzpcs is offline   Quote
Old 09-23-2014, 02:52 AM   #23
Newb
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by drev500 View Post
But yes, like you said, the LSD would prevent the one tire from being the only tire spinning so I guess what I a trying to get at is wrapping the recovery strap around any tire that has power (spins).
I have a question. What is the purpose of a locking diff if you have a LSD? Complete even distribution or what?
M47TYB is offline   Quote
Old 09-23-2014, 06:31 AM   #24
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Great White North
Posts: 260
I would put money on this not working in 99% of the cases, I've been stuck enough times to know that rarely is there an anchor in the perfect position to attempt this and I have attempted this more than once (then I bought a winch). Any pull a few degrees off will cause the strap to slip off the wheel and in doing so it will damage something. In theory it should work but in practice it is the most frustrating experience you will have. If it is your only option go for it. Take video for us to watch and expect to be at it for several hours.
WorkingMan is offline   Quote
Old 09-23-2014, 11:42 AM   #25
Jeeper
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: IN
Posts: 225
Well there was a vid posted some time back showing someone in the middle east doing that. They were stuck in sand. So they buried a sandbag with a strap around it and wrapped the strap around the tire. Walked it right out. I can't seem to find the post or vid though.

__________________
JKURX in Copperhead | 4:10, Auto, Remote Start, Auto Temp, Duel Top, 430N
AmIgone is offline   Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



» Vendor Spotlight (Deals & More)
Jeep Parts - Jeep Wheels - Jeep Soft Tops
» Recent Threads

» Popular Tags
2.5 2014 2015 advice axle bestop body lift build bumper clutch dana 35 dana 44 differential electrical engine exhaust fender for sale hardtop hard top install jeep jeep tj jku leak led lift lift advice lift kit light bar lights mods newbie noise oem outdoorx4 overland parts problem quadratec radio rancho rims rubicon sahara sale shocks smittybilt soft top spacers sport springs steering stereo suspension suspension lift swap teraflex tire tire advice tires transfer case transmission unlimited warn wheels winch wiring wrangler wrangler 2-door
Download our Mobile App

» Featured Product

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:03 AM.


User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.1.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2015 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

Jeep®, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC