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Old 07-09-2014, 08:38 AM   #1
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Hypothetical Recovery Situation

Here's the situation, you are stuck but have a very long tow strap or multiple tow straps, whatever. You have stock LSD so wrap the strap around the tire that is spinning and attach the other end to a tree. Could you pull yourself out? Someone every try this?

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Old 07-09-2014, 09:11 AM   #2
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I am trying to understand what you are thinking, but it seems like a bad idea to me.

If you are trying to immobilize the wheel that is spinning you will have to have that strap pretty tight. If the tree is behind you it will prevent you from moving forward. If the tree is in front of you, as you get closer the tension will be released as you move forward then allowing the strap to wrap around the wheel.

Won't the stock BLD do the same thing?

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Old 07-09-2014, 09:14 AM   #3
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I wouldnt. I suspect that tow strap would either get wound around that tire like no tomorrow and/or pull it right off or damage a buncha stuff in the process. A tire is not a safe recovery point in my opinion. Just asking to break stuff or hurt yourself or both.
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Old 07-09-2014, 09:20 AM   #4
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I think what he is saying is allow the strap to rotate around the spinning tire, therefore acting, in itself, like a winch.

I'm thinking it wouldn't be my first choice.
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In theory it could work -- same principle as why a yo-yo climbs back up its string. But the execution? You'd have to secure the free end of the rope to the tread somehow -- run a screw through the end of the strap and into a tread block? Then you'd have to somehow ensure the rope stayed out on the tread and spooled up on that, rather than slipping off to the outside or inside and futzing the whole show.

But the real question is this: the whole point of LSD is that it prevents you from being in a situation where all the torque is going to the tire that has no traction. Are you saying that neither tire has traction? Because you said: "wrap the rope around the tire that's spinning."
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Old 07-09-2014, 09:53 AM   #6
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My grandfather did this with a tractor one time. Wrapped a chain through the tire and attached a cable. Engaged the posi and very slowly winched it out.
Worked like a charm.
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My grandfather did this with a tractor one time. Wrapped a chain through the tire and attached a cable. Engaged the posi and very slowly winched it out.
Worked like a charm.
I saw MY grandfather do it once when my father (his son-in-law!) ran the tractor down into a swamp. I can't remember how grandpa attached the chain -- I was just a little kid -- but it was amazing to watch it work.

But that was a big-ass tire with huge tread blocks, and a chain. A lot more friction working there.
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I'd like to see the youtube on this. Guaranteed the strap will slip off the wheel (assuming you can get it around the stuck wheel in the mud and secured) and when it comes off it is sure to damage some body part.

If you need a winch, use a winch.

The tractor one may have worked but the diameter of the tractor tire is such that a cable placed through the front of the wheel between the spokes and rotated 180 degrees to the back will result in a pull of 3' or so. With chain or cable there is very little stretch so it could work, and if the V groves in the tractor tire keep the cable centered you might even get a couple of turns. I've chained a log to the front of stuck tractor tires and rotated it 90 degrees so I'm sitting on top of it and then stuffed more logs in front, removed the chains and drove off. It's not easy to do as you need one foot for the clutch and then heel toe the two brake pedals as one wheel will always turn more than the other. (Old tractors have separate brake pedals for each rear wheel with a clip that can join them both together.)

But I would not recommend anyone do this with tow straps unless you're only other choice is imminent death.
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Old 07-09-2014, 11:48 AM   #9
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There is a video of some guys in a middle eastern desert doing this exact thing, it worked well for them.
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I would first try to use the tow strap as a traction aid.. just under the wheel not wrapped around. If you secure it to something solid that might make up the difference.
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There is a video of some guys in a middle eastern desert doing this exact thing, it worked well for them.
I've seen the video too. One end of the strap was wrapped around the wheel and the other was tied to a bag of sand that was buried. Slow turn of the spinning wheel to wrap the tire with the strap and then off it went.
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In theory it could work -- same principle as why a yo-yo climbs back up its string. But the execution? You'd have to secure the free end of the rope to the tread somehow -- run a screw through the end of the strap and into a tread block? Then you'd have to somehow ensure the rope stayed out on the tread and spooled up on that, rather than slipping off to the outside or inside and futzing the whole show.

But the real question is this: the whole point of LSD is that it prevents you from being in a situation where all the torque is going to the tire that has no traction. Are you saying that neither tire has traction? Because you said: "wrap the rope around the tire that's spinning."
I am just talking about a hypothetical situation.

I should have better explained the situation but if you wrapped the strap around the tire several times then I could see that the strap would become tight around the tire and hold.

But yes, like you said, the LSD would prevent the one tire from being the only tire spinning so I guess what I a trying to get at is wrapping the recovery strap around any tire that has power (spins).

Like someone said above, you would have to be able to get to the tire that is submerged in mud or water but if you were able to wrap it around and secure it so it would slip around the tire, would it work?

I am not trying to say this would be an alternative to using a winch but I what I am getting at is if it could be used as a "last resort option." I am bored at my desk and thought about it. I mean, if I was dumb enough to go some where without a winch and I was by myself, with no tools (shovel, jack, etc.), no cell phone to call anyone, hiking out is impossile and there is no other option besides the rocovery strap I have, could it be done?

It worked on tractors but what about a Jeep that doesn't have the gear reduction of a tractor?

Ha sorry for the silly post but it was just an idea I came up with that I thought could possibly work if you were S.O.L (Sh*T out of luck). I didn't know if anyone else had tried it or not.
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Y'all are missing something. If it was lsd in the mudd and you did manage to get a strap around the spinning tire you very well might have one big issue. Said tire would most likely get in a bigger bind and then the other tire would start to spin. If you had a real heavy lsd and/or wasnt stuck to bad it might just work though.

Time for someone to go try this out. We need to form a jeep type MythBusters.
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Y'all are missing something. If it was lsd in the mudd and you did manage to get a strap around the spinning tire you very well might have one big issue. Said tire would most likely get in a bigger bind and then the other tire would start to spin. If you had a real heavy lsd and/or wasnt stuck to bad it might just work though.

Time for someone to go try this out. We need to form a jeep type MythBusters.

Ya with the LSD, it is a big variable that adds a lot of what Ifs to the situation that I can only guess the outcome.

But yes, someone who is wheeling this weekend has to be the guinea pig.
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Your only going to move 30 or so inches per revolution; Assume no other problems in doing the deed, doubt 3-6 feet will set you free
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Old 07-09-2014, 12:33 PM   #16
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Circumference (how uch rope pulled per revolution)= PI(3.1416) x D(diameter). With y stock 32's, that would be PI x 32" = 100.53".
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Yes it does work. Pick the wheel that has no traction if it's a open diff. Got to make sure the line is straight with the wheel. This came from cars crossing the Australian desert. It's not good for long haul but just for getting out of the pit.
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Your only going to move 30 or so inches per revolution; Assume no other problems in doing the deed, doubt 3-6 feet will set you free
Au contraire, I've never been stuck that 3-4 feet of movement backwards into my tracks wouldn't get me unstuck. Remember, the truck was moving just fine one foot before it got stuck.

Oh, and your math's way off. 32" wheels will rotate 100" (8+ feet) per revolution.

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