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Old 02-15-2014, 10:10 AM   #1
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Talking I Declare March As Teach a Newbie Month!

Obviously us offroad newbs can't become experiened offroad folks until well.....we get runs in to get experience.

So how/who are you newbs finding to get experience with? I belong to a Jeep club. We have a board and folks post up runs with requirements, trail details etc. They separate it out by difficulty. Us newbs are sort of dependent on folks with more experience stepping up to lead and spot for us. Which I understand for most experienced guys, it is sort of much more fun for them to run a difficult trail on par with their abilities than come down with us newbs and do trails they can probably do in their sleep.

To newb Jeeple like me: Who do you run with? Buddies? A club? Venturing out on your own (usually not a good idea of course!)? A Jeep school?

To more experienced Jeeple: I implore all you more experienced Jeep peeps to reach out to a newb between now and the month of March and offer to lead on some runs for us to help us get some experience so one day we can be awesome just like you!

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Okay so what time is dinner, I'll be out to AZ. for my first lesson.

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Okay so what time is dinner, I'll be out to AZ. for my first lesson.
LOL! Can you be here by tomorrow morning say? This post was actually inspired as another newb put out a post on our Jeep club for a run and we are trying to find a more experienced person or two to lead us.
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I hear ya, I'm actually trying to do the same around me. There really isn't much, anything, in the way of organized clubs here, not sure why. I may end up needing to drive 1,1/2 hours to the nearest club meeting I can find, problem is the places they have listed that they regularly wheel at are further in the wrong direction.
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I got my limited amount of experience with a few friends in a Willy's. It was a drawn out process of getting stuck and unstuck, breaking and repairing things. We quickly learned the value of a winch etc. Ultimately the fun came to an end with a rollover.
I'm looking forward to getting back in the game with my own Jeep and avoiding making the mistakes my friend made, especially the one that ended his Jeep.
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Sub'd, I'd love to learn more! Haven't even picked up my Jeep yet and I've joined a local club, but always curious how others learn. Good thread!
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LOL! Can you be here by tomorrow morning say? This post was actually inspired as another newb put out a post on our Jeep club for a run and we are trying to find a more experienced person or two to lead us.
Have to go over there and look that run up. Just wait until I am home please, 5 more days. Just 5 days.

Btw, I am over on that other board with the same name MMC, catch you over there

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I'm joining a local Jeep club. But I did a lot of off-roading in Arizona when I lived in Phoenix. Also spent a lot of time up on the Mogollon Rim on the firebreak trails and backwoods. Lots of great places near Pinetop/Lakeside as well. Mostly though, we hit a lot of trails off the B-line Highway North of town.
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Have to go over there and look that run up. Just wait until I am home please, 5 more days. Just 5 days.

Btw, I am over on that other board with the same name MMC, catch you over there

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Just 5 whole days lol! We will definitely have to meet on a trail soon!

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I'm joining a local Jeep club. But I did a lot of off-roading in Arizona when I lived in Phoenix. Also spent a lot of time up on the Mogollon Rim on the firebreak trails and backwoods. Lots of great places near Pinetop/Lakeside as well. Mostly though, we hit a lot of trails off the B-line Highway North of town.
Will look up some of those! My sister has a cabin up in Heber so gives me an excuse to wander up the Rim and see if anyone runs up there.
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Heber/Overgaard (sp?) would be a great place too if your looking to hit some trails and enjoy nature. Spent some time in the Heber area fighting the Rodeo/Chediski fire. That's how I learned about all the trails in that and the Showlow area.
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I didnt even dream of modifying my jeep until I got involved with a club. now I have 1 ton axles sitting in my garage.

I am active duty and move around a lot, it has been a great way to find a ridiculous amount of friends in a fairly short time!
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Woo hoo! Trail run most likely on for tomorrow. There are 4 Jeeps going to Tip Top mine. It is a really cool old "ghost town" that was built for a mine with abandoned buildings and all that-I watched a video of the trail and it is mostly a bumpy washboard road with a few bumps. If you google and go to WIkipedia you can see some cool pictures of the old town. At least one of us has run at least a number of trails. And our Jeep club has a board where you can post say if you are going out alone (or in this case, not necessarily alone but not with any uber experienced Jeepers) - you estimate a time back on pavement and if you don't post back or call, they will send the cavalry/rescue out looking for you.

If that falls through, there is an experienced Jeeper just posted up a run out to Box Canyon specifically to help noobs! Now THAT is the spirit! That is a bit of a hike for me, but if the first run falls through-I will try to get in on Box Canyon.
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Obviously us offroad newbs can't become experiened offroad folks until well.....we get runs in to get experience.

So how/who are you newbs finding to get experience with? I belong to a Jeep club. We have a board and folks post up runs with requirements, trail details etc. They separate it out by difficulty. Us newbs are sort of dependent on folks with more experience stepping up to lead and spot for us. Which I understand for most experienced guys, it is sort of much more fun for them to run a difficult trail on par with their abilities than come down with us newbs and do trails they can probably do in their sleep.

To newb Jeeple like me: Who do you run with? Buddies? A club? Venturing out on your own (usually not a good idea of course!)? A Jeep school?

To more experienced Jeeple: I implore all you more experienced Jeep peeps to reach out to a newb between now and the month of March and offer to lead on some runs for us to help us get some experience so one day we can be awesome just like you!

Never been one that was too much for "rules, and requirements".
I've kinda been one that likes to go out alone, or with one other. From horseback riding to motorcycle riding, to now, jeeping, I just find there are often too many "chiefs" and too few Indians.
If I wanna go right when everyone else is going left, I don't want to feel obligated.
I know groups are safer ( with maybe the exception of motorcycles ) , don't ask me how I know this.
I'm just one who appreciates the solitude of being out in the desert, or mountains, and not having to follow the leader, or obey anyone else's commands.
I just learn to go prepared.
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My buddy ended up buying a FJ a few months after I got my jeep last year. We bought this book and just started exploring.

Guide to Arizona Backroads & 4WD Trails, 2nd Edition is NOW SHIPPING! - FunTreks Guidebooks for Jeep Trails, 4 Wheel Drive Trails, and back country roads

Started on easy and worked up to difficult. I highly recommend you buy this book and just check out the trails listed.
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Old 02-15-2014, 10:40 PM   #15
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Well the run to the mine got cancelled as the organizer unfortunately left all of his gear oil on the middle of the road somewhere tonite. BUT - the run to Box Canyon is on! We have two very experienced Jeepers and two noobs. The only difference is to get to this trail is about a 70 mile drive for me but it is really cool. I will just crank up the sucky stock radio, load up on Starbucks and roll! Full report sometime tomorrow with pics. All of these are popular trails and out weather is gorgeous right now (80s and sunny) so I know we will have plenty of company on whatever trail!
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Mr Average-I have that book! My son also recommended Bloody Basin (he used to live out here and ran it before-he said it is basically a dirt road).
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Box Canyon is fun, I did it stock with no problem. Florence has a ton of trails, its basically the southeast version of Table Mesa.
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Box Canyon is fun, I did it stock with no problem. Florence has a ton of trails, its basically the southeast version of Table Mesa.
Yay I am happy happy! Don't you hang your hat somewhere down that way? From the pics I have seen online I should have some good pics tomorrow.
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Yea, I live about 25 mins from Florence. I would suggest possibly leaving early, the Renaissance Festival is going on and traffic can get bad around Gold Canyon.
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Thanks for the tip! Renaissance Festival pretty cool. I know it will take me at least 90 minutes or so. If you are up for meeting for coffee or a bite on my way home to hear all the details, PM me. Otherwise look for pics and report tomorrow. The furthest SE I have been in Arizona is.....Gilbert right by the Santan Mountains lol! Farthest the other way-Tucson. Farthest north-SHow Low. I have led a sheltered life and suspect the Wrangler is a-changin that!
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Over time you'll learn who you like to go out with and those individuals you wish to avoid. I have a small group I like to wheel with because they take care of and know their rigs, bring tools/ equipment to fix what they may break, listen when being spotted and I trust them when they spot me. We all like to do the same type of trails and our rigs are built similiar. We are always willing to help each other work on their rigs.

We're willing to have the FNG come with us but we make it very clear what is expected and to be expected on the trail. We're willing to help them learn both their Jeep and a particular trail. However if they're stubborn, blantantly unprepared or just plain a PITA on the trail we'll call them on it and it's likely they will not go with us again.
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Most people are limited to time (weekends), and money. So some trail rides are out of reach.
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Never been one that was too much for "rules, and requirements". I've kinda been one that likes to go out alone, or with one other. From horseback riding to motorcycle riding, to now, jeeping, I just find there are often too many "chiefs" and too few Indians. If I wanna go right when everyone else is going left, I don't want to feel obligated. I know groups are safer ( with maybe the exception of motorcycles ) , don't ask me how I know this. I'm just one who appreciates the solitude of being out in the desert, or mountains, and not having to follow the leader, or obey anyone else's commands. I just learn to go prepared.
x2...There is only a couple of guys I enjoy wheeling with.
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x2...There is only a couple of guys I enjoy wheeling with.
X3. As much,as groups can be fun, half the reason I enjoy my wrangler is the freedom it gives me to go where I want, sometimes traveling with other people can diminish that feeling. I find ALOT of people I know are too impatient to take the time to properly prepare their rig, carry their own recovery gear, or stop to plan their route around trail challenges leaving them stuck stupidly simply because they didn't choose a good line
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I'm glad you posted this comment/topic. One of JWN's goals is to tame those easy trails with beginners.. Simply because we don't want to risk our daily drivers on any extreme trails. I guess it's best said: "Know your limits" and we know ours. Doesn't mean we don't have fun.. just means we've taken a more relaxed attitude to rock crawling. Old logging roads (mainly gravel) are our norm.. execpt last summer.. the New River Gorge threw us a curve.. thou we survived. So yes, we'll gladly help noobies, we just don't like using the word noobie..
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I have a "don't be that guy/gal" story from today! I did not put it in my "trail" post because I debated posting it period. Let's just say that this was a noob who brought 3 friends. I will NEVER criticize the noob for their driving mistakes - heck I am a noob and make mistakes. But here are some lovelies (of course these are not me):

-Beer. Yes - drinking on the trail - while driving. On rocks. And on ledges. Potentially FATAL noob mistake! Save the celebration for when you get home - not on the trail. This is not a rave party - this is potentially dangerous.

-Pack your trash! I now see how the trails get messed up. There is more than enough room in a Jeep for empty beer cans and cigarette butts-take them back until you meet a trash can, do NOT leave them on the trail.

-More Tread Lightly Angst - there was remnants of an old old cabin/house. DO NOT peel pieces off of it as curious as you are. If every visitor pulls off a piece - eventually there are no more pieces left.

-Bodies hanging OUT THE WINDOW while the Jeep is driving against a rocky wall. One potentially unlucky fellow was mere inches from losing an arm-or worse. Since we didn't have CB's, our signal for trouble to get the leaders to stop was blow the horn. I laid onto it to stop the line before that guy lost a body part. Luckily all stopped. For real. You may not care about losing body parts. But while I don't mind cleaning dust off my Jeep - human blood and guts would just be too much of a cleaning job for me to stomach.

-People who do not wear seat belts ALL THE TIME while the vehicle is moving. Nuff said.

-Do not attempt to do 70 down a sandy dusty road. Just don't. Aside from being dangerous, you kick up a cloud that drifts a quarter mile and affects everyone behind you. Max speed limit on most trail access roads that are unpaved is 15 mph.
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Simply Put.. O M G s.. No wonder "we" cant get any good trails with bad apples like that. Hanging out the windows and doors?? gods.. common people hell I'll spot for you.. beer on the trail or camping?.. nada.. I need to take this list down and incorporate them into our "membership bylaws"

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