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Old 07-29-2014, 04:30 PM   #1
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I feel bad for both of them, lol!

*parked* whoops

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Old 07-29-2014, 04:32 PM   #2
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Just think how bad they felt realizing they did not drive the Wrangler lol!!!

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Old 07-29-2014, 04:36 PM   #3
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I passed the Hummer guy on the way in. I almost wanted to say... "Sorry dude."

But I resisted the urge.
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Old 07-29-2014, 04:37 PM   #4
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Actually, I just feel bad for the person who owns the Hummer

Just kidding... To each his own
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Old 07-29-2014, 04:39 PM   #5
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LOL, Awesome owning a Jeep! Hummers and Land Rovers don't stand a chance!
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This makes me curious. Anyone ever been on a hummer forum to see what they say about jeeps? Or are all the threads about having Ford Excursion envy?
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Never been on a Hummer Forum, although I've driven the military HumV. Probably the best HumV to 4 wheel, too wide for the forest roads I take my Jeep on.
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Old 07-29-2014, 05:16 PM   #8
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This makes me curious. Anyone ever been on a hummer forum to see what they say about jeeps? Or are all the threads about having Ford Excursion envy?
I am a member of clubhummeroffroad.com.

We wheeled with people in Jeeps frequently. The animosity is not mutual, at least in our club.

Not sure why the hate exists from the jeep side exists. My h2 and my old h3 were more than capable offroad.
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I am a member of clubhummeroffroad.com.

We wheeled with people in Jeeps frequently. The animosity is not mutual, at least in our club.

Not sure why the hate from the jeep side exists. My h2 and my old h3 were more than capable offroad.

I'm sure they're nice looking! Very cool vehicles, my favorite is the H1! H2 looks luxurious!
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Old 07-29-2014, 05:23 PM   #10
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I wanted an h1 before I got the JK. But I couldn't find one that was worth a crap and not 60k.

The h1 is the perfect vehicle for me, it's the perfect mix between jeep and hummer with enough creature comforts to make it a DD.

I really enjoyed my h2. If it wasn't for the gas mileage I would never have got rid of it. After the tires and lift I was getting around 6mpg. Just couldn't do it anymore and I wasn't wheeling as much as I wanted to justify keeping it. As to why GM put a damn gas engine in a vehicle that heavy really baffles me. It needed to be a diesel.

So it was wrangler time. And so far loving it!
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Yah no kidding, the military has diesel engines in the HumV. They only go 65, but decent engine for what their used for.

I know the H1's are pricey, but they are tough vehicles. I like how some H1's have built in compressors for the tires and run flats up to 55mph.

My Armada averages 12 mpg, sucks gas but the ride is definitely worth it.
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Yah no kidding, the military has diesel engines in the HumV. They only go 65, but decent engine for what their used for.

I know the H1's are pricey, but they are tough vehicles. I like how some H1's have built in compressors for the tires and run flats up to 55mph.

My Armada averages 12 mpg, sucks gas but the ride is definitely worth it.
Yeah the CTIS is def a great feature. I was really looking at one point and time to rig up an external system. It wouldn't have been as convienent, but it would have worked.

Air lines from the fender wells to the hub.
Swivel in the hub runs an airline to the tire valve.
Inside the cab controls the pressure and the compressor.
Everything outside has quick connects for easy removal so you don't rip them off on the trail.

Go to trail, air down from the cab. Walk around and Disconnect the hoses and throw them in the back. Put them back on before you hit the road and air back up from the cab.

Would have been great but the build was getting pricey so I abandoned it. Still a solid idea though. If I had the funds it would have happened. I think all the hardware was a website called airctis.com. It's an industrial ctis kit for tractors and such.
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I find these threads funny.... Talking trash about other brands usually gets people riled up, but saying on is better than the other.. That's debatable, like oil, tire and locker threads. They all have a purpose. The H1, there ok. Too wide and the suspension is to stiff, plus the average joe still can't afford one. Land Rovers are very capable. depends on the model and years in my opinion.

The H2/3 are a joke to me. The Rover, again depends on model and years. Yes, I've played with both. The HMMWV in the Army for a long time, and thru all it's changes. The Rover....I still have it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the Jeep at all. It's fun to take pride in your brand and talk trash. I usually throw the poop between the Ford and Chevy but that's it.

One last thing. If you see a built Rover, chances are very high that it sees the trail, and on a regular basis. These people don't build them and not use them. Unlike the built Jeep that never sees the dirt. Yeah, I had to say it.
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I find these threads funny.... Talking trash about other brands usually gets people riled up, but saying on is better than the other.. That's debatable, like oil, tire and locker threads. They all have a purpose. The H1, there ok. Too wide and the suspension is to stiff, plus the average joe still can't afford one. Land Rovers are very capable. depends on the model and years in my opinion.

The H2/3 are a joke to me. The Rover, again depends on model and years. Yes, I've played with both. The HMMWV in the Army for a long time, and thru all it's changes. The Rover....I still have it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the Jeep at all. It's fun to take pride in your brand and talk trash. I usually throw the poop between the Ford and Chevy but that's it.

One last thing. If you see a built Rover, chances are very high that it sees the trail, and on a regular basis. These people don't build them and not use them. Unlike the built Jeep that never sees the dirt. Yeah, I had to say it.
Dude. Have you ever wheeled an h2 or h3? Or are you just brand bashing just because?

I've built and wheeled both an h2 and an h3, and they can do anything a wrangler can. I have pics and vids to prove it.

Most people that say stuff like that have no experience to back it up.

Again, I don't get the brand hate from jeepers.

After wheeling my JK on the same trails, I'm here to tell you, It can't do half of what my h2 could. I couldn't say about the h3, because it's been so long since I've used one, but my old h3 was more than able to keep up with the rubicons in our pack. My jeep doesn't even have lockers for gods sake.
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An H2 is a Chevy truck in disguise and a H3 is a Colorado in disguise. Any true four wheel drive will work well off road, us Jeep owners just think we are the best haha!
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Old 07-29-2014, 11:42 PM   #16
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Again with that argument.

The h2 and h3 share less than 10% of the same components with their shared frames. I know from experience.

The frame on the h2 isn't even the same as the 2500hd.

I bet you didn't know that AM General actually manufactured the h2 and GM only marketed it did you?

The only item that will cross platform without modification on an h2 is the hubs. Period.

Most of the hummer haters have no idea what they are talking about. They simply regurgitate what other brand fan boys vomit out.
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Land Rovers are sweet. Freakin' list of amenities a mile long.
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Old 07-29-2014, 11:51 PM   #18
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I test drove a range rover evoque the other day. Was considering getting it and trading the wife's car. It was sweeeeeeeeeeeet.
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I see this bad boy every day I drive to work. He gets paid to drive all day in the desert testing future equipment for the military. The configuration can change everyday, sometimes there is a trailer, sometimes no turret, etc.

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Is that an international mxt?
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Is that an international mxt?
Maybe it is, here is another angle. I always thought it was a heavily modified Hummer?

There are two of these bad boys cruising the desert South of Las Vegas during business hours.

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I don't think thats a Hummer
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It's definitely not a HMMWV. I'm 99% that's is an international mxt mva.


Looking closer I think its a JLTV. The HMMWV replacement vehicle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_L...ctical_Vehicle
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Dude. Have you ever wheeled an h2 or h3? Or are you just brand bashing just because?
Because I can...

the H2/3 were based off of other vehicle platforms. the Tahoe frame for the H2 and the Canyon/Colorado for the H3. where is the originality for the vehicle? lets build a new SUV and use other peoples stuff. then call it ours. all that happened was, they added a big box to an already used frame, re-branded it, and called it new. Heck, Rolls Royce for years used GM engines and drivetrain. add a nice box to the frame, very nice amenities, add someone else's name. whala.... a brand new vehicle.

This is where my bashing comes in. AM General built an awesome vehicle with a purpose. then got with GM to build 2 others, just to use the name so people would buy it. and it worked.

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I've built and wheeled both an h2 and an h3, and they can do anything a wrangler can. I have pics and vids to prove it.
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Most people that say stuff like that have no experience to back it up.
You're right. I chose not too.

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Again, I don't get the brand hate from jeepers.

After wheeling my JK on the same trails, I'm here to tell you, It can't do half of what my h2 could. I couldn't say about the h3, because it's been so long since I've used one, but my old h3 was more than able to keep up with the rubicons in our pack. My jeep doesn't even have lockers for gods sake.
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I've got both, I appreciate both for what they are and what they are not. Yes, depending on the forum, some Hummer guys bash Jeepers like Jeepers bash them. I think we are all prideful of our choices, we made our choices based on our preferences, and therefore we defend them with emotion often more so than facts. But that's okay, we all have opinions and @$$holes and they both stink (as someone once said).

My Hummer has 133k miles on it, excellent condition and is still going strong. It took direct impact from a car going 45 mph and got right back on its feet with some bolt-on part repairs, but most importantly it protected my family. Would my Wrangler have been as protective? I don't know. And I don't want to find out.

Bottom line, I love both vehicles. If I had to make a choice today of which one to keep/drive? Wrangler all the way.

There's always going to be brand loyalty, and with that, brand bashing. Ford guys bash Chevy, Harley guys bash everything else (but Victory), sport bike guys bash cruisers, sports fans bash the visiting team, Democrats bash Republicans, non-union bashes union, it goes on and on. It's all fueled by passion and emotion, which is who we are when the right nerve is touched.

I like the spirited discussion and debate. Sometimes i learn something, sometimes I teach something. Each time I get entertained. Let the rivalry live on...
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I've got both, I appreciate both for what they are and what they are not. Yes, depending on the forum, some Hummer guys bash Jeepers like Jeepers bash them. I think we are all prideful of our choices, we made our choices based on our preferences, and therefore we defend them with emotion often more so than facts. But that's okay, we all have opinions and @$$holes and they both stink (as someone once said).

My Hummer has 133k miles on it, excellent condition and is still going strong. It took direct impact from a car going 45 mph and got right back on its feet with some bolt-on part repairs, but most importantly it protected my family. Would my Wrangler have been as protective? I don't know. And I don't want to find out.

Bottom line, I love both vehicles. If I had to make a choice today of which one to keep/drive? Wrangler all the way.

There's always going to be brand loyalty, and with that, brand bashing. Ford guys bash Chevy, Harley guys bash everything else (but Victory), sport bike guys bash cruisers, sports fans bash the visiting team, Democrats bash Republicans, non-union bashes union, it goes on and on. It's all fueled by passion and emotion, which is who we are when the right nerve is touched.

I like the spirited discussion and debate. Sometimes i learn something, sometimes I teach something. Each time I get entertained. Let the rivalry live on...

Completely unrelated, but I found it really ironic after that last post to hit the Post Quick Reply button. Nothing quick about typing it...
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I've got both, I appreciate both for what they are and what they are not. Yes, depending on the forum, some Hummer guys bash Jeepers like Jeepers bash them. I think we are all prideful of our choices, we made our choices based on our preferences, and therefore we defend them with emotion often more so than facts. But that's okay, we all have opinions and @$$holes and they both stink (as someone once said).

My Hummer has 133k miles on it, excellent condition and is still going strong. It took direct impact from a car going 45 mph and got right back on its feet with some bolt-on part repairs, but most importantly it protected my family. Would my Wrangler have been as protective? I don't know. And I don't want to find out.

Bottom line, I love both vehicles. If I had to make a choice today of which one to keep/drive? Wrangler all the way.

There's always going to be brand loyalty, and with that, brand bashing. Ford guys bash Chevy, Harley guys bash everything else (but Victory), sport bike guys bash cruisers, sports fans bash the visiting team, Democrats bash Republicans, non-union bashes union, it goes on and on. It's all fueled by passion and emotion, which is who we are when the right nerve is touched.

I like the spirited discussion and debate. Sometimes i learn something, sometimes I teach something. Each time I get entertained. Let the rivalry live on...
Eh my nerve is not touched. Takes a lot more than talking about vehicles to get me riled up. I have no qualms about saying what I said, and how I said it over a couple beers.

No anger is meant to be displayed in any of my responses.

Defensive? Yes. Anger? Nope.
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I was looking at both before I pulled the trigger on 14 JKU. The deciding factor was top off and doors off. No other vehicle offers as much versatility. But to each their own, I don't understand the bashing either.
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The doors of both the h2 and h3 can be removed. The h2 hinges were designed to let the door lift off, but the quick disconnect harness never made it to production. You can actually make a harness from Molex, then two bolts and the doors lift off.

The h3 actually has the quick release harnesses. Flip the harness, two bolts and they lift off. Not much heavier than the wrangler doors.

The h2 doors, however, weighed 160lbs each.
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