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Old 09-21-2011, 03:45 PM   #1
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I need opinions FAST please!

If you read my "thank you" post you know I have an order in on a 12 Sport with a bunch of options.

Well I checked on the dealer's website and they have a 12 Rubicon in stock, equipped almost the same way. Same color, soft top, 6-speed. Comes with window tint, connectivity, sirius, and power convenience group. The only things it does NOT have that I have on my Sport order is the trailer package and side air bags.

I got a price from them today and they want $3,340 more for the in-stock Rubicon than I am paying for the Sport.

I figure with the cost of the air bags and trailer group factored in, I would be paying roughly $4,000 more for the Rubicon

Opinions needed asap please, I want to get him an answer tonight. Should I spring for the extra $4K for the Rubicon, or wait eight weeks for the Sport.

Background, I do not see doing a LOT of off roading, but certainly a little. Will be hitting the beaches and fields with it, but not much hard wheeling. I would say this will be my daily transportation with off roading possible.

I just worry I get the Rubicon remorse and I don't want to be wishing I sprung for the Rubicon but settled for the Sport. Know what I mean?

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If you can afford it go for the rubi .i have one and im not a hard core offroad guy ,hell theres no really good places to wheel in central jersey ,only reason i got the rubi is it was the only one that was a stick in silver in my area plus they gave me 16k for my 7 year old tacoma

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Old 09-21-2011, 03:54 PM   #4
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Tough call...
The hitch isn't that big of a deal. But if you want the side airbags.....I don't know.

Sounds like you don't "need" the Rubi.
Did you order Limited Slip on your Sport?

Don't know...
I would lean towards the Rubi if you can afford it. But that depends on how much the airbags mean to you.

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Can you tell me if having the Rubicon negatively affects daily driving? Like are mpg's significantly lower? Is it a lot louder with the tires? Is the ride less smooth?

I'm not into doing a bunch of mods so I see this as a chance to have a vehicle stock that is very off-road capable. But, I don't want to sacrafice a lot of on-road performance in the process. How are they on the roads?

Again, thanks for the quick responses. I really appreciate it!
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If I just worry I get the Rubicon remorse and I don't want to be wishing I sprung for the Rubicon but settled for the Sport. Know what I mean?
You can't add side airbags aftermarket, but for $4k you could equip your Sport so as to be competitive with a Rubi.

So if you can afford the Rubi and spend a few grand modding it, then fine. Get the Rubi. But if the extra $4k is going to be right at the top of your budget, I'd stick with the Sport and spend the $4k in mods.

You could pretty easily do a front e-locker (assuming you've already got the LSD rear), a nice budget boost, some wheels/tires, bumpers, and rock rails for $4k. Maybe even a winch too. And you'll still have side airbags.
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Can you tell me if having the Rubicon negatively affects daily driving? Like are mpg's significantly lower? Is it a lot louder with the tires? Is the ride less smooth?
No.

FWIW, reading your description you clearly don't "need" a Rubi.
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Tough call...
The hitch isn't that big of a deal. But if you want the side airbags.....I don't know.

Sounds like you don't "need" the Rubi.
Did you order Limited Slip on your Sport?

Don't know...
I would lean towards the Rubi if you can afford it. But that depends on how much the airbags mean to you.

Yep, I ordered limited slip and 3.73 on the advice of this board. Most of the other options (infinity radio for example) are standard on the Rubicon anyway. Same color, same cloth interior, etc
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Get the rubi I you can!! It rides nice , the tires are not loud, and it's really nice to have the extra options!!!
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What axle ratio did you have?
A Rubi stick ONLY comes in 4.10's...so that might have a slight impact on your fuel economy....especially at higher highway speeds.

Clearly the Rubi tires are not pure "street" tires, but I have not seen anyone complain about them. One item that may or may not come up. For pure "daily driving" in "light rain or light snow", I would put LSD above lockers.

Edit, just saw your post.

3.73's vs 4.10's won't be that big of a deal around town.
I know you don't want to do mods...but the new engine and a 4.10 axle is basically screaming for 35's.
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FWIW, reading your description you clearly don't "need" a Rubi.
Absolutely true, definitely don't "need" it. More of a "want" thing at this point
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I would stick with the Sport. For a DD a Rubi is a waste of money unless you are looking for a status symbol. There are many of us that feel the Sport is the better performer in day to day driving anyway becaue it can be equipped with LSD instead of having the all or nothing of lockers. For average offroading the Sport is also said to have a more useful low range ratio in the TC.
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To be clear, if it's not obvious from my posts, for so long as money is an issue, I would never buy a Rubicon.

It's not that they're not great--they are. But I would far prefer to spend the cost difference customizing a Sport, which would in the end be a better all around vehicle for my purposes than a Rubi would anyway.

Of course, the best option would be to get a Rubi and then customize it. But, as I said, that assumes money is no object. For so long as being cost efficient, I'd be a Sport guy.
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I think you need to determine if you need the stuff that comes on the Rubi. There are some cool things on there, but if you don't do a lot of rock crawling or off-roading you'll never use them. I've also read that the limited slip differential is better for slick roads (daily driver) than the lockers, but I might be wrong.

It's totally up to you, but I decided on the Sport mostly because, while I would love to have a Rubicon (a Jeep's Jeep), I would never use the awesome features that it comes with. IMHO it wasn't worth the extra money for me. I would wait to get what you want, especially for the side air bags.
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I talked to the dealer, he's not budging on the price. They are basically asking for 7% below MSRP, which I guess is pretty good for a 12 but I don't really have anything to base it on.
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I would stick with the Sport. For a DD a Rubi is a waste of money unless you are looking for a status symbol. There are many of us that feel the Sport is the better performer in day to day driving anyway becaue it can be equipped with LSD instead of having the all or nothing of lockers. For average offroading the Sport is also said to have a more useful low range ratio in the TC.
That part needs to be bolded and stickied.

I think a lot of non-wheelers get the Rubi because it is the top of line Wrangler...without understanding that they would probably be better off with a LSD on a Sport/Sahara over lockers on a Rubi if the Wrangler will spend 99% of its life on pavement, and the other 1% on gravel driveways.
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For average offroading the Sport is also said to have a more useful low range ratio in the TC.
This is a good point that I'd read but not really thought about it until just recently, when I've switched over to doing all my offroading in 4L. (The anti-stall feature for the 6 speed is just great.) What I've found is that even with the Sport t-case (2.72:1), you've really got to start it in third gear if you don't want to snap off the line and immediately rev like a madman. It's as if 3rd/4th/5th take the place of 1st/2nd/3rd. I'd imagine I'd need to start in 4th or 5th with a 4:1 t-case.
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The other part of the equation is my impatience. Eight weeks for the Sport, this weekend for the Rubi

The side air bag thing does bother me, the doors on a Jeep are almost non-existent so those are bags might be all you have in a side collision.

Guess my feeling on the Rubicon is like my feeling on firearms. I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it, if you know what I mean.

Decisions decisions......
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This discussion usually revolves around life on the home front as well. In my case, it was a lot easier to justify the capability (which I will use) and higher cost of the Rubicon with my wife. It would have been much tougher to justify the mods I'd need to a Sport (as you may have guessed, wife is not much of a gear head). 1 purchase, 1 payment, and plenty of fun in the Rubi until I start breaking stuff.....easier on the home front in my case...
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I talked to the dealer, he's not budging on the price. They are basically asking for 7% below MSRP, which I guess is pretty good for a 12 but I don't really have anything to base it on.
What is that below invoice? Roughly 1%? Are you using TL?
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7% below MSRP? Are you sure? That's a helluva deal if it's correct. That's probably 3 or 4 % below invoice.
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better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it
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This is all very interesting--

After having my Rubi for 3 years/mods/gears/towing--I'd NEVER get anything less in a new Wrangler-

My crawl ratio in 4lo is 96/1 and I have no trouble with 1st gear with my (AUTO)-

The main point of contention, is your DD use with LITTLE off-road-

You should wait for the sport that you/ve ordered and since you've had/will have a lotta time to think aboutit, stick withit !!!

The mere fact that you are asking about the pros/cons of a Rubi vs a sport--points out your "NO NEED" of a RUBICON !!

The sport will get you anywhere you wanna go and the recommendations for LSD, are research substantiated !!

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If anyone ever gets themselves into a situation where they need lockers on both ends, ediscos, and a 4:1 low range to save the day and doesn't have them they deserve what they get. This is like saying I need a .50 caliber sniper rifle in case I need to eliminate a target 1000 yards away.
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Heh Heh that reply, coming from you is no surprise to me !

Pretty typical of non Rubi owners and I gave what I thought was a fair/balanced opinion-

So, to the op

Good luck-your decision

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If anyone ever gets themselves into a situation where they need lockers on both ends, ediscos, and a 4:1 low range to save the day and doesn't have them they deserve what they get. This is like saying I need a .50 caliber sniper rifle in case I need to eliminate a target 1000 yards away.
x2 Just know what your rig is capable of and you won't end up in a situation you can't get out of. Sometimes it's better to know your limitations than to think you're invincible.
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x2 Just know what your rig is capable of and you won't end up in a situation you can't get out of. Sometimes it's better to know your limitations than to think you're invincible.
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Heh Heh that reply, coming from you is no surprise to me !

Pretty typical of non Rubi owners and I gave what I thought was a fair/balanced opinion-

So, to the op

Good luck-your decision

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It wasn't directed at your reply, it was directed to those above you who gave the cliched answer of "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it". If it's a mall crawler that will never happen. If he was really going to wheel it I could see it a little bit, but if he's not there is no point in having a Rubi.
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It wasn't directed at your reply, it was directed to those above you who gave the cliched answer of "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it". If it's a mall crawler that will never happen. If he was really going to wheel it I could see it a little bit, but if he's not there is no point in having a Rubi.
My apologies for my lightnening ((Wyatt Earp) reply-you're absolutely right, to

If your gonna play--you gotta pay and of the 12,400 miles on my Rubi approx. 9000m have been off-road and without fail--in 4wd, with locker/use close to 600 miles-

Heh Heh, yea--I've kept track and the regear breakin--in 4wd was, 100 miles outta the 500 miles total, and that was to help the front diff, get some "work" time !!

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I'm not trying to pit Rubicon owner vs Sport/Sahara owners

Just saying I don't want to regret not getting it down the road. I just don't hear too many folks who own a Rubicon saying "I wish I had gotten the Sport instead". The cost difference is not going to break me, I can swing it.

But everyone is right, I certainly don't "need" it. But a couple years from now will I get into off roading and be saying to myself "man, why didn't I just spring for the Rubicon when I could have!" I worry about that regret.

This is tough...

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