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Old 07-09-2014, 01:24 PM   #1
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I'm sorry, but LOL @ Chrysler/Jeep

Brand new '14 JK. Had it for a few weeks. It's got 500 (five hundred) miles on it. Just started hearing the intermittent chirp/squeak that research tells me is the super common water pump early failure.

WF tells of people getting a new water pump within a week of picking up a new vehicle, some with just 400 miles, others make to a few thousand miles. One guy was on his third pump at 7200 miles.

Chrysler sourcing the cheapest components possible ---> horrible quality.

Of course I knew Chrysler is far from top tier quality, but this is laughable.

I'm really trying to enjoy my first Jeep and I really do mostly!!

Maybe it's LOL @ me! :-)

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I had one replaced some time ago and the sound hasn't come back yet. I am keeping my fingers crossed.

With all the car recalls these days, a squeaky water pump is nothing

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What really makes this ironic is that your making fun of where the parts come from, yet a large amount of parts for American automobiles are from Canada.. *doh*
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Unfortunately it's the same old story with Big Three no just Chrysler. Quality has gotten better but where it needs to be even though they have had decades to do it, while others have demonstrated that is humanly possible to improve QC.
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What percentage of 2014 Jeeps are supposed to have this problem? Just wondering, because we have three 2014 Jeeps in the family (two JKs and a WK), and with about 30,000 combined miles, no problems of any kind, from any of them.
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Every manufacturer has problems. A former boss of mine bought a new RX8 which spent most of the next 6 months in the shop for a variety of problems. Ford's Ecoboost had intercooler problems in the F-150 for a while. I had to get my Focus towed at about 2000 miles because of a dead fuel pump. I've never known anyone to buy a new VW without at least one trip to the dealer before making their first payment. BMW, almost the same story. My mother went through three stereos in her Highlander the first year she owned it. Etc.
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My 2013 has already been in the shop 3 times for the same problem and it still is not fixed. It will be going back in this weekend. Luckily it is still under warranty.
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Not one single issue with our 2013 JKU at 20K miles including frequent off roading . Just spent $14,000 (yea thousand) to drop new short block, radiator, and injector in a F250 Super Duty that only has 140k miles on it. Which if you know anything about diesel engines that is less than 25% of its useful life. Just thought I would throw that out there.
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I bought my Jeep one year ago almost to the day and went into it expecting issues. It's a shame, but it's the mindset one needs to take when purchasing a Jeep or you will go insane. If you are fortunate enough to have no issues it feels even better.

Mostly, I've been problem free but it clicks and clacks and makes squeaking noises and I'm embarrassed at times by the noise it makes while idling (which it has sounded like since day one). But, I love her.

I don't wish to see this thread degenerate, but I've mostly had Toyota, Honda, Subaru products prior to the Jeep and there is most definitely a difference in quality between these brands and the Jeep. The Jeep simply isn't as well made overall. People will howl in disagreement and blind hatred towards other brands, but it is simply a fact.

Also a fact, I've never had as much fun driving a vehicle as I have since I purchased my Jeep. All in all, a fair trade-off so long as I don't see major issues down the road. I've had numerous friends with Jeeps who no longer have theirs and was warned going in, but I'm a sucker and live by the old "It's a Jeep thing" motto.

With the doors and top off and the radio cranking, I can hardly hear the ol' Mountain Goat chirping at all. Have fun out there.
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I've had a whole ton of new cars and trucks, some personal and some work. I've had VW TDIs that were problem free, several GM products (including work trucks), a couple of Hondas and a few Toyotas. My '85 CJ needed some TLC but I beat the crap out of it and most everything that broke was my doing. Most all were great vehicles overall. The one lemon of the bunch? A 1997 Toyota T-100. The truck was never right from day 1 (and I was a returning customer having had 2 Toyota trucks before). Both Toyota (and my dealer) we so indifferent about the problems (AC inoperable, fan shorted out at least once a month, transmission hanging in 2nd gear, speedometer reading 20 MPH high, etc etc etc). I swore I'd never own another Toyota product and I never have. Every experience is different. At least Jeep is taking care of the issues.
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Chrysler sourcing the cheapest components possible ---> horrible quality.
Every large market auto maker costs out ever part at the lowest possible per unit price, at a quality point sufficient to get them past the warranty.

It is the nature of capitalism. If it wasn't, a Wrangler could easily cost six figures.
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I've never had any major problems with any vehicles I've ever owned. *knock on wood*

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The forums would lead you to believe that a lot of these problems are a lot more common than they really are. Everyone with a problem runs to the internet to complain/get information. Very few people with no problems run to the internet to shout that to the world. Not to mention that the anger and frustration these problems bring about tend to make them sound more dramatic.
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My 2013 JK had window wash bottle problems from day one but is fixed. Beyond that each drive is an experience making me smile. Cheap to insure, easy to drive and very distinctive.
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I go thru water holes and go over big Rocks and climb big ledges... and then drive it on the hiway 75-80mph afterwards,, then drive it to work 12 miles RT a few days a week... Repeating.... Parts don't fall off after the pounding it takes...
I don't think I could do that to any other vehicles on the market..
so far two Jeeps 36K miles, the only thing wrong was on the 2011 that stupid OVER Drive/Tow switch which failed 2 times...
I don't disagree with some of the cheap parts but show me a Car that doesn't have them..... even the rice burners do.... as for the quantity that might be different.. but I can't do what I do in my Jeep with any other... so as long as they keep holding up to the off roading I do then I wont be complaining....




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Brand new '14 JK. Had it for a few weeks. It's got 500 (five hundred) miles on it. Just started hearing the intermittent chirp/squeak that research tells me is the super common water pump early failure.

WF tells of people getting a new water pump within a week of picking up a new vehicle, some with just 400 miles, others make to a few thousand miles. One guy was on his third pump at 7200 miles.

Chrysler sourcing the cheapest components possible ---> horrible quality.

Of course I knew Chrysler is far from top tier quality, but this is laughable.

I'm really trying to enjoy my first Jeep and I really do mostly!!

Maybe it's LOL @ me! :-)
D-Man... It's probably all that aluminum floating around in your coolant. Look at it this way, you're getting all the shavings flushed out early. And the answer is no, I haven't flushed mine yet. I'll post the answers to the questions in the coolant thread.

Glad you're able to keep your sense of humor around this...

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I go thru water holes and go over big Rocks and climb big ledges... and then drive it on the hiway 75-80mph afterwards,, then drive it to work 12 miles RT a few days a week... Repeating.... Parts don't fall off after the pounding it takes...
I don't think I could do that to any other vehicles on the market..
so far two Jeeps 36K miles, the only thing wrong was on the 2011 that stupid OVER Drive/Tow switch which failed 2 times...
I don't disagree with some of the cheap parts but show me a Car that doesn't have them..... even the rice burners do.... as for the quantity that might be different.. but I can't do what I do in my Jeep with any other... so as long as they keep holding up to the off roading I do then I wont be complaining....




I have to ask, did you make it up that ledge in the second shot? It looks like your front tires (at least the left) were just starting to get air under them...and maybe the spare tire was really close to dragging...good times

Those are great shots.
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I bought my Jeep one year ago almost to the day and went into it expecting issues. It's a shame, but it's the mindset one needs to take when purchasing a Jeep or you will go insane.

With the doors and top off and the radio cranking, I can hardly hear the ol' Mountain Goat chirping at all. Have fun out there.
Yes! This is the mindset I was/am trying to take. It really is fun with the top down! (which I can now take down after getting the rear window zipper fixed, it was mangled from day one, ha!)


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D-Man... It's probably all that aluminum floating around in your coolant. Look at it this way, you're getting all the shavings flushed out early.

Glad you're able to keep your sense of humor around this...

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Ha! Yes I thought about that too. Just didn't think this would happen so soon. I was planning on doing a coolant flush and first oil change around 1200 miles to get the aluminum and stop leak out.

The water pump chirp is just starting so the dealer probably won't even be able to replicate it yet. I'll just see how it goes over then next few weeks.


A lot of good points made by everybody in this thread, Thanks guys.
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This is pretty scary for a vehicle meant to go off road. I've had many situations where a water pump going out would mean I have to hitch a ride 150 miles one way off road to the nearest dealership. Makes the Toyota guys with 180,000 miles on their original pump seem magical.
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I have to ask, did you make it up that ledge in the second shot? It looks like your front tires (at least the left) were just starting to get air under them...and maybe the spare tire was really close to dragging...good times

Those are great shots.
Yes. I've done that ledge twice. It's one that takes almost a perfect line so it's not like I went up it the first try. Took several attempts.
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The internet has provided a lot of people with a voice that in many cases shouldn't be heard. All too many time I read complaints from people who don't even own the product. With that being said, I bought a brand new 12, which ended up having the well known cylinder head issue (that's another saga), so as soon as Chrysler fixed it, I traded it, only because the dealer gave me what I paid for it. So now I have the 13, JK unlimited. At 5000 miles first noticed intermittent squeak. Took it in, dealer couldn't find the problem. This week I took it back, now over 30k, was smart enought to video the problem, was the water pump. Dealer calls, says they want to change the coolant, $170. I said no way, they wouldn't have had to change it if the pump didn't fail. It's one thing to have quality issues, it's another when the dealer tries to hose you. I buy new cars every couple of years, I'm thinking I'm done with Chrysler.
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I wonder if part of the problem is that they are selling Wranglers literally as fast as they can build them? I mean, from all the news coming from Toledo it sounds like the factory is running like a sewing machine 24/7 just trying to keep up with demand. With that kind of pace it would be hard to stay on top of quality I would think. Jeep is setting record sales worldwide right now. Everybody wants one.

I've owned two 3.6L engines, one in a JK and one in a Challenger and neither had the waterpump issue or oil cooler issue. I did have to get a new heater core on the JK but the engines themselves have been flawless.
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The forums would lead you to believe that a lot of these problems are a lot more common than they really are. Everyone with a problem runs to the internet to complain/get information. Very few people with no problems run to the internet to shout that to the world. Not to mention that the anger and frustration these problems bring about tend to make them sound more dramatic.
LOL, Jeep is currently rated 2nd worst in initial quality, number one place is help by the parent company Fiat, forums have nothing to do with it.
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I'm on my third radio in 18 months...obviously nothing major, but COME ON
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Maybe I have been lucky so far. This is my first jeep. I have always preferred import sports cars. I would have never seen myself in a jeep, but then one day I saw one and said damn those are cool! I bought a simple configured manual 2DR and love it. 2500 carefree miles. I did however lurk forums like these to learn the vehicle nuances upfront before buying - all vehicles have them.

If you really want to own a true POS, buy my 2007 Cobalt LX. Talk about recalls, issues, problems...you have no idea.
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I bought my Jeep one year ago almost to the day and went into it expecting issues. It's a shame, but it's the mindset one needs to take when purchasing a Jeep or you will go insane. If you are fortunate enough to have no issues it feels even better.

Mostly, I've been problem free but it clicks and clacks and makes squeaking noises and I'm embarrassed at times by the noise it makes while idling (which it has sounded like since day one). But, I love her.

I don't wish to see this thread degenerate, but I've mostly had Toyota, Honda, Subaru products prior to the Jeep and there is most definitely a difference in quality between these brands and the Jeep. The Jeep simply isn't as well made overall. People will howl in disagreement and blind hatred towards other brands, but it is simply a fact.

Also a fact, I've never had as much fun driving a vehicle as I have since I purchased my Jeep. All in all, a fair trade-off so long as I don't see major issues down the road. I've had numerous friends with Jeeps who no longer have theirs and was warned going in, but I'm a sucker and live by the old "It's a Jeep thing" motto.

With the doors and top off and the radio cranking, I can hardly hear the ol' Mountain Goat chirping at all. Have fun out there.

I totally agree. I come from 2 Tacomas and 4 Subarus and they are very solid and never had an issue. There is a difference. BUT, like you said, I love my Jeep and this is my 4th. I will have to say that my 3 XJ's never had issues and they had over 220k! That inline 4.0 was a beast of a motor. My CJ was bas A$$ as well and I wish I never sold it. It was show room condition. lessons learned.
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It may not be that the pump is bad, there may just be air in the system from the factory. I had that rush of water noise in my jk a few days after i got it. As soon as it came, it went away on its own.

Check your fluid levels, make sure your coolant is topped off (its tricking the jk) it looks like it is empty when you first pop the hood, but look inside and there is a fill to line. I did a double take at mine when I first saw it.

You can always try burping the system too, the dealer will always try to replace something if they can when your bring your jeep in for work so they can grab fund w/e money they can from Chrysler.
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It is completely unrealistic to expect a product consisting of up to 30,000 parts, largely assembled by people (who have bad days just like you & me), to be free of faults.

Asian manufacturers (even in the US) employ much more automation in the build/assembly process than US & European manufacturers.
Of course the advantage of this method is greater consistency, which is fine when all is going well, but can lead to higher #'s of vehicles affected when there is a problem as there is no 'person' there to detect faults.
So the upside (& downside) of automation is that it replaces people & their faults, but adds its own in the process.

I'm a big fan of keeping folks working.
I'd rather live with the occasional human mistake, than the thought that someone (& their family) is out of work just so a machine/robot could make my life a little easier by eliminating a hiccup or two..

Less people working also means fewer able to buy products which equals less demand/reduced supply, this drives up prices & that's not good for anyone either.
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I replaced 3 on my '13 in one year and was one of the many reasons I got rid of it. Its a pain and I wish Jeeps were better built like back in the day, but they aren't. And unfortunately for me I love the Jeep so much in spring and summer and there is not anything like it. I just hope my new Rubicon has very few problems.
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I replaced 3 on my '13 in one year and was one of the many reasons I got rid of it. Its a pain and I wish Jeeps were better built like back in the day, but they aren't. And unfortunately for me I love the Jeep so much in spring and summer and there is not anything like it. I just hope my new Rubicon has very few problems.
Id be more concerned about your dealer then the quality of your Jeep. 3 water pumps in one year is not a part problem. There seems to be a trend here where too many people have continual problems while others have very few minor issues or no problems at all.

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