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Old 07-03-2010, 08:01 PM   #1
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I'm sucha noob !!

Ok - today, my neighbor & I were out on our dirtbikes, exploring some favorite areas. We live in an area that's a popular cooling off spot for city folks, and we normally ride in areas inacessible (locked gates) to 4 wheelers.

Today, we ended up on some 4 wheeler roads and ran into a coupla Jeeps - they were all very polite, and each vehicle had their own distinctive wave - first vehicle showed me two fingers....the peace sign maybe. The next guy gave me the polite 1 finger salute - yeah...we be number one !!. Next guy showed me a closed fist - yeah..power to us..umm..off-roaders.

Then I twigged - duh !!!!!!!!!! - I was waving like an idiot, and, all that was required was some indication of how many vehicles (bikes) were behind me - duh !!

Luckily, I'm usually the slowest, so, a clenched fist will be easy to remember in the future.

This was at Rhody Lake, on the 3rd, apologies to the Salem Off-Road folks....

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Old 07-03-2010, 09:16 PM   #2
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Ok - today, my neighbor & I were out on our dirtbikes, exploring some favorite areas. We live in an area that's a popular cooling off spot for city folks, and we normally ride in areas inacessible (locked gates) to 4 wheelers.

Today, we ended up on some 4 wheeler roads and ran into a coupla Jeeps - they were all very polite, and each vehicle had their own distinctive wave - first vehicle showed me two fingers....the peace sign maybe. The next guy gave me the polite 1 finger salute - yeah...we be number one !!. Next guy showed me a closed fist - yeah..power to us..umm..off-roaders.

Then I twigged - duh !!!!!!!!!! - I was waving like an idiot, and, all that was required was some indication of how many vehicles (bikes) were behind me - duh !!

Luckily, I'm usually the slowest, so, a clenched fist will be easy to remember in the future.

This was at Rhody Lake, on the 3rd, apologies to the Salem Off-Road folks....
It was a great little story until I found out I'm that same idiot, doh! I've been riding dirt bikes from the 70s until just a few years ago, and Jeeps since the late 80s, and I wouldn't have got it either.

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Old 07-03-2010, 11:24 PM   #3
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i used to be that same idiot also.

i learned the "number in your group" wave back in February when i was off roading with friends when one of them told the group about it. It was the first time most of us heard of it. but it really is a great thing to use on the trail. While riding a dirt bike is not my thing, everyone who off roads, regardless of of vehicle, needs to look out for one another... and this is such a great and simple way to do so.
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Old 07-04-2010, 07:42 AM   #4
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we normally ride in areas inacessible (locked gates) to 4 wheelers.
I liked your story, but the part above is NG.
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Old 07-04-2010, 08:10 AM   #5
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I liked your story, but the part above is NG.
Yeah - I can't argue with you there. The gates we ride around were installed by the timber companies in the last 10 years, prior to that, the forestry roads were open to all. I suspect that vandalism, garbage dumping & liability were the main reasons.

We always ride with care, use street legal mufflers, stay on the roads, stick to weekends and have in the past reported problems such as plugged culverts. And, lately, we even had a sheriff's deputy accompany us on a quad learning shortcuts and backtrails to other open areas for search and rescue purposes.....

But, yeah, I know........I'm rationalizing
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Old 07-04-2010, 09:56 AM   #6
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Here's an interesting history tidbit on the 4th of July.

In order to encourage the development of the West, the Federal government granted railroad companies half the land along their tracks. But to spread it out, the gave it in a checkerboard pattern of mile-square blocks. The railroads then sold those squares to people like George Weyerhauser.

So in Oregon and Washington you get massive big chunks of federally owned forest surrounded by very large chunks of very confusingly alternating public and private lands.

As InTheSticks points out, the roads thru these lands were usually open, but more and more are getting gated off. But I think this has been happening for more than 10 years. We used to complain about it when I was a kid in Oregon.

As a kid, we use to go hunting and BoyScout camping on lands like this. Because I grew up in a small logging town, there was always someone who had the keys.

Side note: loggers, when I was kid, always had company owned 4x4 pickup trucks. And they always bragged about never, ever, ever, using the four wheel drive. It was like a badge of honor with those guys: "Yep, I was up behind Oakridge, all the way to the top, and finally got there. Took all day. Thought I might have to get out and lock the hubs once."

Anyway, not to support going thu a gate, but in Oregon forests, a "private" road is a different animal than it might be in New Jersey.
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Hey Geoff, is that like in the old western movies where they had big fights because people put up fences and the guys with cows had to tear them down?
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Old 07-04-2010, 04:17 PM   #8
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Here's an interesting history tidbit on the 4th of July.

In order to encourage the development of the West, the Federal government granted railroad companies half the land along their tracks. But to spread it out, the gave it in a checkerboard pattern of mile-square blocks. The railroads then sold those squares to people like George Weyerhauser.

So in Oregon and Washington you get massive big chunks of federally owned forest surrounded by very large chunks of very confusingly alternating public and private lands.
Yeah - if you ever drive downstream from Maupin along the Deschutes river (road is built on an old railway right-of-way), every 1/4 mile you'll see signs that read "Entering private property" followed shortly by "Leaving private property" - one after another..........

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Anyway, not to support going thu a gate, but in Oregon forests, a "private" road is a different animal than it might be in New Jersey.
Yes - I suspect that the locked gate issue varies widely from state to state, and probably within drainages/neighborhoods in each state. In our case local quads and bikes ride behind gates on roads that had been open for decades, and providing we ride quietly and don't do any damage we get a wink and a nod from the local LEOs. Of course, since most of us are in our late 50's, early 60's with a couple of retired LEOs mixed in probably helps too *grin*
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Those SW Oregon checker-boarded O&C lands are public lands designated by law primarily for 'timber production', not multiple use like Nat'l Forest or PD (public domain) BLM lands. It's a privilege not a right to use them, so I always try to be a good neighbor when wandering on those roads. So far I've only encountered one @#$%&* as everyone else has been super nice out there.

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