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Old 06-03-2012, 07:03 PM   #31
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Thanks for the reply, maybe I will call Monday and see if they are still on sale.
They aren't. I emailed them last week and they said no sale. They are full price now. I'll keep waiting for another sale since I missed it too.

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If you feel that, because your JEEP hardtop is white, you'll have no need for an internal insulation pac................

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That is all I ever said in the beginning, and then I was challenged on it. I'm glad we've come full circle. I never said it couldn't help at all. And I was referring entirely to the temperature issue. If these things help substantially with noise then they remain a possibility, although I don't have any complaints about that so far. We'll see after my next long road trip. Peace.
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A couple observations: The product is first rate. The fit and finish are excellent, the instructions are clear and installation was a snap.

It was 63 degrees here today so I can't comment to the extent that these are sufficient for temperature insulation and since we only average two weeks a year over 90 here, it didn't really matter to me anyway.

A quick test drive revealed a noticeable improvement acoustically. The Inifinity's bottom end finally woke up and road noise took a nice step back.

This is one of those products, like the dead pedal, that feels like it should come installed from the factory that way.
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Just got a HUGE/FLAT box delivered to my office.
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That's great. Did you get the side panels too?
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That's great. Did you get the side panels too?
I got the whole schebang! You only live once!
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Going to do this soon for sure.

Thing is my wife will want them for her '07. Can't bite off two at one time right now so I guess she will get them first.

Wonder why the side panels are velcro only?
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But, black also re-radiates heat the fastest, and white the slowest. So white looses less heat in the cold, keeping you a bit warmer.
Unfortunately that's a myth since heat doesn't radiate in the visible light spectrum, the surface color has no impact on something staying warm or not.

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Mythbusters, the 2005 season

SPINOFF: A black car heats up faster than an identical white car. (From Pilot 2)

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A fan wrote in and asked a follow up question: "Does the color of a car affect the way it heats up?". The MythBusters used two identical cars, one black the other white and left them both out in the summer heat with thermometers in both. By mid-afternoon the black car had heated up to a temperature of 135 °F while the white car topped off at 126 °F, almost 10 degrees cooler.
Black typically gets hotter in the sun because it tends to absorb more infrared spectrum than white, but that won't always be the case... Introduction to IR-Reflective Pigments
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Going to do this soon for sure.

Thing is my wife will want them for her '07. Can't bite off two at one time right now so I guess she will get them first.

Wonder why the side panels are velcro only?
Good question however, unless it gets below 20 where you live, Velcro would be the way to go anyway.

At least that's how I came to my decision.
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My guess - and just a guess - is that the sides are the tougher ones to get in. With the super-sticky-ness of the 3M tape, maybe just being slightly off with them would increase tearing or crookedness of the tape. With the Velcro if it isn't perfect you can re-apply the panel to get it perfectly centered. The top pieces are easier and more direct.

In any case just opened up the goods. First off this thing is well packed. Taped, wrapped, taped again. Really excellent package prep. The cardboard box is very thick and really protects the goods.

I got the removable top panels installed. Was a breeze and they fit right in nicely. Im not doing the hard top pieces as it is hanging in the garage right now. I want to be able to apply good pressure to the tape. I'll drop it down on a platform and get underneath it to install the tops and sides.

I took pictures but my stupid phone was out of memory and they were not captured...
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Maybe the side panels are more prone to being damaged and need to be easily replaced? Still wondering.
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I fitted mine early this morning while the temp was still around 70F. I have a full set for my 4-door, velcro all round.

I installed the side panels first and they were probably the easiest to line up as they fit very snugly around the window. I removed the backing tape from the velcro after I had the panels approximately in place so I wouldn't risk sticking the adhesive to the side as I fed the panels behind the roll bar. Of course, for the other panels I had to remove all the backing tape before positioning them.

I chose velcro because I thought that if I damage the headliners when taking the top off or putting it back on, they would be easier to replace. The headliners are very well made and seem quite robust - but I can be quite clumsy!
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Unfortunately that's a myth since heat doesn't radiate in the visible light spectrum, the surface color has no impact on something staying warm or not.

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I suggest you study up on Kirchhoff's law of thermal radiation, my friend.

Bacally, it states that a good thermal absorber is a good thermal radiator, and a poor absorber is a poor radiator.

Black absorbs best and radiates best. For instance, a theoretical 'black body' absorbs all light and radiates all energy, and thus, a black body in the sun will be at room temperature (thermal equilibrium.)

White absorbs poorly and radiates poorly.

I have no idea where you learned that that is myth, but, unless my education is just totally out of date and the laws of physics have been turned on their head, my statement stands.

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If I had heat like you have, Jimbo, I don't care what color my roof is, I'd have to have multi-layers of insulated head liners and a super charged AC system and humidification all the time. We coastal folks (at least those I know) are real heat sissies... just can't take it. But then, folks from inland can't take the cold we love here, so I guess it all balances out.....
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If I had heat like you have, Jimbo, I don't care what color my roof is, I'd have to have multi-layers of insulated head liners and a super charged AC system and humidification all the time. We coastal folks (at least those I know) are real heat sissies... just can't take it. But then, folks from inland can't take the cold we love here, so I guess it all balances out.....
My insulation has kept be very comfy at 115° F at the middle of the day and -7° F on some early morning runs-

Comfy as a bug in a rug !

We are pretty lucky with the super low humidity too !

It was 89°F last Friday and it snowed a little Monday !

Thats what makes the MALLS so kewl !


We camped last week at about 7000ft in the sierras and the daytime temps were 72/75--then it snowed there to, Monday !

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Hey, one of us seems to be a lot closer to actually living in his Jeep.
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I suggest you study up on Kirchhoff's law of thermal radiation, my friend.

Bacally, it states that a good thermal absorber is a good thermal radiator, and a poor absorber is a poor radiator.

Black absorbs best and radiates best. For instance, a theoretical 'black body' absorbs all light and radiates all energy, and thus, a black body in the sun will be at room temperature (thermal equilibrium.)

White absorbs poorly and radiates poorly.

I have no idea where you learned that that is myth, but, unless my education is just totally out of date and the laws of physics have been turned on their head, my statement stands.

You're correct, the part I consider a myth is that it makes a real world difference since convection and conduction do more to move heat than radiation. Now if we're talking about a vacuum in space then it's a whole different story.
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You're correct, the part I consider a myth is that it makes a real world difference since convection and conduction do more to move heat than radiation. Now if we're talking about a vacuum in space then it's a whole different story.
I agree. Except, we cold acclimated coastal sissies can actually feel the radiated heat from a really hot surface (especially a black one!), but it wouldn't be significant, or maybe even noticeable to normal folks.....
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I agree. Except, we cold acclimated coastal sissies can actually feel the radiated heat from a really hot surface (especially a black one!), but it wouldn't be significant, or maybe even noticeable to normal folks.....
Normal folks could probably tell the radiant heat difference between a regular painted surface and one that is a radiant barrier like perhaps silver plating. But plain old white paint isn't much of a radiant heat barrier.

Which brings me back to the topic of head liners, I wonder if any of these liners contain a true radiant barrier or if they are just insulation. When I get my JKU I'm going to sort out a radiant barrier of some sort for the hard top.
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Normal folks could probably tell the radiant heat difference between a regular painted surface and one that is a radiant barrier like perhaps silver plating. But plain old white paint isn't much of a radiant heat barrier.

Which brings me back to the topic of head liners, I wonder if any of these liners contain a true radiant barrier or if they are just insulation. When I get my JKU I'm going to sort out a radiant barrier of some sort for the hard top.
Maybe like reflective metallic Mylar on the surface of Hothead liners facing the Jeep's top, then the adhesive tape, which would give a little air space between the inner surface of the Jeep's top and the Mylar? That should be very effective and cheap. I'll bet you could get Ambrose Upholstery to send you a set of headliners without the adhesive applied, maybe just a pattern or diagram showing where they apply it, and enough of a roll of adhesive to do it yourself after you adhere the Mylar to the headliner. Does any of that make sense??
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For the love of all that's Holy, can one of you tell me whether I wasted $279 or not.
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Maybe like reflective metallic Mylar on the surface of Hothead liners facing the Jeep's top, then the adhesive tape, which would give a little air space between the inner surface of the Jeep's top and the Mylar? That should be very effective and cheap. I'll bet you could get Ambrose Upholstery to send you a set of headliners without the adhesive applied, maybe just a pattern or diagram showing where they apply it, and enough of a roll of adhesive to do it yourself after you adhere the Mylar to the headliner. Does any of that make sense??
Yea, I was thinking similar perhaps using attic radiant barrier foil though the panels don't seem to cover the whole lid. Which got me thinking of dynamat type products that have a heat shield radiant barrier layer along with the sound deadening characteristics all applied with an adhesive layer. A full inside wrap of that followed by a more convection insulating/decorative layer might do the trick as long as it doesn't add a ton of weight. I've got more research to do on this one before I sort out a final solution to try. But first I need the JK lol.
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For the love of all that's Holy, can one of you tell me whether I wasted $279 or not.
I have no idea, haven't ever seen or used the product. If others had the same issues as you and they are happy with it then chances are you'll be happy too.

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