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Old 06-07-2012, 09:58 AM   #61
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I made my own set of headliners using foil backed foam insulation board from home depot. It has a foil barrier on both sides. I then covered it with black headliner material from a local fabric store. The fabric was the most expensive part @ $15/yrd. My total bill was about $70 and 3 hours of labor. I have only done the tops so far. I may do the sides at some point but I am not sure how much of a difference it will make.

With the foil backing I wonder how these compare to the hot heads performance wise. I am sure the hot heads look nicer as there are a few imperfections in my measurements.

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I don't know if the "Hotheads" use the thermal reflective (top) surface, but I doubt if they do--

I do in mine-with Thermal-Acoustic insulation--it's 1/4" thick and has the thermal reflective upper foil--I've already stated how efficient it is !

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I won't know if the $265 spent was worth it or not until I put the hard top back on when winter comes.



But I purchased them to help with the following:
  1. Break up the all-white interior.
  2. Add another layer to help retain heat in the winter.
  3. Add some noise reduction.
  4. Help retain the acoustics of my audio system.
Will they help somewhat with all 4? I believe so. #1 is covered.

Will it be worth the cost? Can't tell until I get the 1st drive in.

The hothead backing material resembles thick cardboard covered in what looks like a closed cellular foam (CCF) material.
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I used Boom Mat and it is great. Thick foam with a cool texture, easy to install and provides great insulation for your sound system as well as insulation from the hot roof!!

NEW! Boom Mat™ Thermal Acoustic Control - Quadratec
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I don't know jack about thermodynamics so won't argue with either one of you but does make me wonder why all of those old fashioned room heating hot water radiators were painted silver?
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Didn't get to run the test like I had planned, ran out of sun. I did do a test with with one each readings today at the lake house. Will try again next weekend. One of the Jeeps will be gone for a week (I must be nuts for lending it to my son-in-law for a week!).

The all silver Jeep peaked out at 103.1* and the black top Jeep peaked out at 120.0* (even with black leather on the silver top Jeep as opposed to gray Freedom Cloth on the black top Jeep).

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Didn't get to run the test like I had planned, ran out of sun. I did do a test with with one each readings today at the lake house. Will try again next weekend. One of the Jeeps will be gone for a week (I must be nuts for lending it to my son-in-law for a week!).

The all silver Jeep peaked out at 103.1* and the black top Jeep peaked out at 120.0* (even with black leather on the silver top Jeep as opposed to gray Freedom Cloth on the black top Jeep).

No real surprises.
Thanks for the real world test!!
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I don't know if the "Hotheads" use the thermal reflective (top) surface, but I doubt if they do--

I do in mine-with Thermal-Acoustic insulation--it's 1/4" thick and has the thermal reflective upper foil--I've already stated how efficient it is !

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Didn't get to run the test like I had planned, ran out of sun. I did do a test with with one each readings today at the lake house. Will try again next weekend. One of the Jeeps will be gone for a week (I must be nuts for lending it to my son-in-law for a week!).

The all silver Jeep peaked out at 103.1* and the black top Jeep peaked out at 120.0* (even with black leather on the silver top Jeep as opposed to gray Freedom Cloth on the black top Jeep).

No real surprises.
Very well done, sir.

Pretty cogent evidence.
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Very well done, sir.

Pretty cogent evidence.
But TT never mentioned the zombie baby.
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I don't live in a hot area so I dont care about the temperature insualting, but am very interested in the noise reduction. How well did the headliner cut down on road noise, especially for those of you running mud tires?
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I don't live in a hot area so I dont care about the temperature insualting, but am very interested in the noise reduction. How well did the headliner cut down on road noise, especially for those of you running mud tires?
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If you have had these for a while are the panels easily scratched?
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I've read all the proof, here in Maryland lately I can't take hard tops off (pannels) without putting a rag on my hands. These will have to help with that, road noise (even if minimal) would be cool and astectics is a win win win for me I'm ordering now. They are on sale!
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I made my own set of headliners using foil backed foam insulation board from home depot. It has a foil barrier on both sides. I then covered it with black headliner material from a local fabric store. The fabric was the most expensive part @ $15/yrd. My total bill was about $70 and 3 hours of labor. I have only done the tops so far. I may do the sides at some point but I am not sure how much of a difference it will make.

With the foil backing I wonder how these compare to the hot heads performance wise. I am sure the hot heads look nicer as there are a few imperfections in my measurements.
How much headliner material did you end up using? How did you attach the headliner material? Did you use 3M tape, or spray? or another method? Did you cover the board on both sides, or just the bottom?
What did you use to attach the pieces to your freedom panels?

I think I am going to make my own, as I want to do a little customizing...
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How much headliner material did you end up using? How did you attach the headliner material? Did you use 3M tape, or spray? or another method? Did you cover the board on both sides, or just the bottom?
What did you use to attach the pieces to your freedom panels?

I think I am going to make my own, as I want to do a little customizing...
I believe I used 3 yards of headliner for just the front panels and the top of the unlimited hardtop. I have not done the sides of the hardtop, so I think if that is your goal you will have to add a bit.

To attach the fabric I used a combination of 3M spray adhesive and staples. I sprayed the bottom of the foam panels and the back of the fabric according to the directions. I then lightly stretched the fabric over the foam panels and used more spray adhesive on the top edge of the foam board and then secured the fabric with standard staples, short enough not to penetrate the other side. I tried to keep any bunched up fabric to a minimum so the back was as flat as possible.

To attach the headliners to the top, I tried using 3M double sided tape but the heat was just too much for it to handle and a couple of the panels started to fall. In the end I used epoxy. This seems to be a very permanent solution, so be sure this is what you want. It has held VERY tight for me.

The front panels were easy to do. You can flip them over on your floor and glue the panels down and secure with some phone books or something else heavy, but with a large surface area. The rear top was a bit more of a challenge. I did not want to flip the top over due to fears of breaking something. I have a Racor lift, so I lifted the top off, glued the panels in place and then lowered the top onto a couple step ladders to press the panel in place. I put a scrap piece of the foal board between the step ladders to even out the pressure to prevent dimples in the headliner.
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I installed Boom Mat the other day. I chose it over the HotHeads based on the thickness. They are different approaches because they use different materials. I'm very impressed with the fit and finish of the Boom Mat and installation was simple. I can't imagine those panels ever coming off accidentally, in fact they would be tough to remove even if you tried.

Right now I have the body colored black hard top sitting in the yard in the sun, it's 90 degrees and sunny. The Boom Mat is nice and cool to the touch while the uncovered parts are very hot to the touch and the outside top will burn your hand. Before the Boom Mat it was tough to take the front tops out without burning my hands.

There's really no way to do a fair A/B audio test and I'm extremely skeptical of anyone saying either of these products dramatically improved their sound. They should both help.

I've never seen HotHeads in person so I can't make any comparison. Pick the one you like best. I almost chose the HotHeads just because it looks so clean with the side panels. And I just noticed HotHeads is running a 25% off Labor Day sale.

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ordered the 3m roof panels on Sunday. realized today that i also wanted the sides. Called Mark up and he said no problem. will be sending you an invoice

this isn't my first black vehicle, but this is my first black jeep. Holy baby jesus does she get hot in the sun. wow. not so bad with windows down/doors off... but... hopefully these help as stated. if nothing else they look really good!

besides the white ceiling reflected off my bald head too much. time for black lol
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I've searched through all of the old threads...but I can't find any. Does anyone have pics of the tan/brown hotheads installed? I'm leaning towards tan/brown to match the interior.

I showed these to the wife, and she is interested in trying to make them to save some loot.
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I've searched through all of the old threads...but I can't find any. Does anyone have pics of the tan/brown hotheads installed? I'm leaning towards tan/brown to match the interior.

I showed these to the wife, and she is interested in trying to make them to save some loot.
Bump (so I can find this on my phone to add pics).
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I installed Hotheads last night.

First thing my wife said...."Wow, they (Wranglers) should have come like this!"

She also said you no longer feel the cold above your head.

Have not really had a chance to test them, but the look awesome (even if overpriced). So glad I went with a saddle interior and saddle (oak) hotheads.
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Looks great!
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I installed Hotheads last night.

First thing my wife said...."Wow, they (Wranglers) should have come like this!"

She also said you no longer feel the cold above your head.

Have not really had a chance to test them, but the look awesome (even if overpriced). So glad I went with a saddle interior and saddle (oak) hotheads.
Mark did you use the 3m or the velcro setup and how was your install?
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Mark did you use the 3m or the velcro setup and how was your install?
3M for the tops... The sides only come in velcro.

I should have probably went velcro all the way around. While I don't plan on ever pulling them off. If I ever damage my top and need it replaced, or need the clean them for some reason....it would make things a bit easier if I could pull them out.
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3M for the tops... The sides only come in velcro.

I should have probably went velcro all the way around. While I don't plan on ever pulling them off. If I ever damage my top and need it replaced, or need the clean them for some reason....it would make things a bit easier if I could pull them out.
Pics look awesome nicely done as always man
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Pics look awesome nicely done as always man
Thanks!

For anyone interested...Hotheads is running another 25% off sale until 3/12...

I actually came up about 8 inches short with the 3M tape..but this is only because the final few inches of the tape are stuck to the cardboard roller, so it does not come off clean. I was able to snip a few parts of 3M tape for runs that we a bit too long, along with adding some cheap two-sided foam tape from Menards to make it all work.
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Looks awesome with your interior! Nice job.
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Vewy nice!
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3M for the tops... The sides only come in velcro.

I should have probably went velcro all the way around. While I don't plan on ever pulling them off. If I ever damage my top and need it replaced, or need the clean them for some reason....it would make things a bit easier if I could pull them out.

Does the panels with velcro sit flush just like the ones with 3M tape?
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Does the panels with velcro sit flush just like the ones with 3M tape?
I would think so....or pretty close to it at least. Plus, even if it didn't sit quite as flush, you really would not be able to see the gap because of the way the panels fit in the tops.

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