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Old 05-31-2011, 02:40 PM   #31
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Hand come alongs are scary no matter what the rating. Your right there next to the winch. If something lets go the bullet heads toward you. I have used them lots without incident but I was wary for sure.

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YUP, thats the main reason I got that warn "snatch Block" thats insertable in any rope/cabl already connected-it also used it with ˝ rope for "other" applications-


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True, a compromise position could be to get something more in the 3500 lb area. My initial impression is that that is too small (indeed, the Jeep alone is 4000+), but I suppose if you ALWAYS use a snatch block, 3500 might be enough to use on an emergency basis provided your lines/straps/snatchblock/D-rings are up to it.

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The warn 3500 mobile winch is light and easyly manuevered-

That pic (previous) is the Sportsman 2000lb winch and of course is too light for any real recovery, but I've been able to manuever my trailer over some debris, I couldn'r physically move myself !!

Having the "tow pakage" and outfitting my jeep with the front hitch/bumper has been irreplaceable several times for winching/positioning the trailer and moving logs outta the way-

My wife and I travel alone and haven't needed any help for over 30 years-

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YUP, thats the main reason I got that warn "snatch Block" thats insertable in any rope/cabl already connected-it also used it with ˝ rope for "other" applications-
You may have sold JeeperJake and me on this option . . .

Looks like I'll need f/r tow hitches, a 3500 lb winch, and a hitch mount that fits the smaller winch.

How do you handle a temporary connection to the battery? Surely it's not just jumper cables?
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YUP, just battery clips supplied with the mobile winchs-or, if you want-I don't, set up the +-connectors front/back-


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You may have sold JeeperJake and me on this option . . .

Looks like I'll need f/r tow hitches, a 3500 lb winch, and a hitch mount that fits the smaller winch.

How do you handle a temporary connection to the battery? Surely it's not just jumper cables?
I don't like the idea of running 0/00 cable under the jeep !!

The front would be easier, but I like the quick in/out of the battery clips and my hood is usually gonna be open for "other" reasons anywho !!

I have On Board Air (OBA)

And sometimes I use a battery powered jack, to lift a wheel tire-(easier than the HiLift)

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Well, Jimbox, I think you've gotten me about 90% of the way to an ENTIRELY new plan. My original post is now way, way in the background.

I can get this winch for $185 on Amazon. To use it front/rear by way of hitches like we've discussed, I'd then need to add a "hidden hitch" type item in the front and rear (~$200 total) and mount the winch on a receiver winch plate (~$100). All told, I'd only spend about $485 and would have a good little emergency winch that can pull forward and back. Though I'd have to make sure I always try to do straight pulls on account of the hitches, and always use a snatch block on account of weight.

That's good, but . . . here's another thought. I could also get the same winch ($185) and just mount it to the front of my Jeep--it's only 26 pounds, so there's not likely to be any real sag. I could then pick up a rear hidden hitch (~$80), winch receiver plate (~$100), and a whole second winch (~$185). That would only cost $550 (just $65 more), and I'd be able to pull from the front at any angle with a traditionally mounted winch and from the rear straight back with a receiver mounted winch. Again, I'd also always need to use a snatch block.

The lightness of the winch (26 pounds versus 80 or 100 for traditional sized winches) obviates a lot of my previously stated winch concerns. Plus I'd have two winches in the event the mounted winch failed/rusted/whatever without me knowing it.

I wonder whether the mobile-size winches will actually fit the traditional stock bumper mounts . . . Thoughts?
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Well, I have the Receiver hitch plate for my Warn 3500 and it's movable easy, to any of the 2" hitch's-I have (4)


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Well, Jimbox, I think you've gotten me about 90% of the way to an ENTIRELY new plan. My original post is now way, way in the background.

I can get this winch for $185 on Amazon. To use it front/rear by way of hitches like we've discussed, I'd then need to add a "hidden hitch" type item in the front and rear (~$200 total) and mount the winch on a receiver winch plate (~$100). All told, I'd only spend about $485 and would have a great emergency winch that can pull forward and back. Though I'd have to make sure I always try to do straight pulls on account of the hitches.

That's good, but . . . here's another thought. I could also get the same winch ($185) and just mount it to the front of my Jeep--it's only 26 pounds, so there's not likely to be any real sag. I could then add the rear hidden hitch (~$80) and the winch plate (~$100) and buy a whole second winch (~$185). That would only cost $550 (just $65 more), and I'd be able to pull from the front at any angle and from the rear straight back.

The lightness of the winch (26 pounds versus 80 or 100 for traditional sized winches) obviates a lot of my previously stated winch concerns. Plus I'd have two winches in the event the mounted winch failed/rusted/whatever without me knowing it.

I wonder whether the mobile-size winches will actually fit the traditional stock bumper mounts . . . Thoughts?
One reason I'm in disfavor of the PERMANENT front winch mount, is the Exposure to sun/wind/rain/snow/dirt/dog shi# and ease of use persuasion-not to mention the wiring/switching/breakering and inside cabin presentation--it all will figure in-unless you keep it mobile, with battery clips--just like me--simple and personal !!!

If you have it permanently mounted in front-it never fails-the first time you're gonna needit, YUP should be in the rear--

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One reason I'm in disfavor of the PERMANENT front winch mount, is the Exposure to sun/wind/rain/snow/dirt/dog shi# and ease of use persuasion-not to mention the wiring/switching/breakering and inside cabin presentation--it all will figure in-unless you keep it mobile, with battery clips--just like me--simple and personal !!!
See, that's what I was thinking, which is why I wouldn't bother hardwiring it into the Jeep. It would merely be bolted on the front so as to give me better pull angles like a traditional set up, but I would still have to open the hood to connect it to the battery and so on like a mobile set up. That keeps it easily removable if it ever craps out or if I want an upgrade. My wife has the sewing skills to make me one of these to keep the elements off of the mounted one and having a second identical winch on a receiver plate lets me move that one to any of the other receivers in the family. Pretty good for $550 plus the basic accessories--presuming I can actually mount this little winch to my Jeep.
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Well, I don't know how you would "easily" safely bolt a winch to your front bumper-


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See, that's what I was thinking, which is why I wouldn't bother hardwiring it into the Jeep. It would merely be bolted on the front so as to give me better pull angles like a traditional set up, but I would still have to open the hood to connect it to the battery and so on like a mobile set up. That keeps it easily removable if it ever craps out or if I want an upgrade. My wife has the sewing skills to make me one of these to keep the elements off of the mounted one and having a second identical winch on a receiver plate lets me move that one to any of the other receivers in the family. Pretty good for $550 plus the basic accessories--presuming I can actually mount this little winch to my Jeep.
And you would still need a fixed fairlead, that was bolted WITH the winch-

It just ain't simple counsler !!

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Well, I don't know how you would "easily" safely bolt a winch to your front bumper-

And you would still need a fixed fairlead, that was bolted WITH the winch-

It just ain't simple counsler !!
Always got to be problem . . .

I'd "easily/safely" bolt it just as one would bolt on any other winch. This one comes with a mounting plate, though I suspect I'd need to get a "real" one. Do they not they sell generic plate/bolt-on type items that secure a winch to the factory bumper?
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Always got to be problem . . .

I'd "easily/safely" bolt it just as one would bolt on any other winch. This one comes with a mounting plate, though I suspect I'd need to get a "real" one. Do they not they sell generic plate/bolt-on type items that secure a winch to the factory bumper?


It beats the hell outta me !!

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Don't know partner, but just like my wife

It beats the hell outta me !!
Found one. Though this tinkers with my price formula a little bit.
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And this is why I like when Jimbox gets involved. No BS, straight up info.

I might have to get a snatch-block and line. I already have a 3K come along.

Jim? Is there any way you could draw a top down look of the setup and post a pic? Nothing fancy. Might help clear some things up for us 'kids".

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:d oh oh, what do you mean "top down" look at the setup ???


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and this is why i like when jimbox gets involved. No bs, straight up info.

I might have to get a snatch-block and line. I already have a 3k come along.

Jim? Is there any way you could draw a top down look of the setup and post a pic? Nothing fancy. Might help clear some things up for us 'kids".

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Draw it out like you are looking down at the setup from above. Cause I have questions, too.
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I think Seadog is talking about this:

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So your recommended set up starting from the tree would be tree strap-->come along-->synthetic winch line-->synthetic winch line goes through snatch block at Jeep-->synthetic winch line continues back to come along?
And then maybe the related question of what to do with extra line. Is that right, Brian?
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As I said, this isn't something you do a lot of-so


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And then maybe the related question of what to do with extra line. Is that right, Brian?
Your sequence is pretty correct-you unreel the comealong to the cables end (be reasonable) then loop the syn on the hook--goto STUCK vehicle-thru D-ring/lunette/toehook-back to tree/treestrap and tie off/or truckers knot---then as you work the comealong the line will stay tight untill you've retrieved all the "USEABLE" cable--THEN

You have to have another rope/strap to secure the "stuckee", otherwise you lose all you've just worked for--or if the "stuckee" is on rocks/dirt, tire chocks will work (I have 4 yellow plastic chocks)--

Then you go thru the same scenario-usually two times, again I don't do mud-

Sometimes a HiLift can be used to pile rocks/limbs/beer cans (oops) underneath the stuckee side--helps the forward pull !!!

You guys that fly in space shuttles are always "looking down" anyway, I spent lotta time on subs, so I'm lookin up !!

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What about something like the winch in a bag? Too bad looks like only 2500 lbs max.

Here is a vid:


Of course...pulling a Mini Cooper on the road is not quite the same as a wrangler unlimited stuck in the mud!

That is an interesting concept. Instead of mounting to a trailer hitch you could use the tow hooks. The electric winch would basically replace the come along and it includes a remote so you can stand a little further away from the action.
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What about something like the winch in a bag? Too bad looks like only 2500 lbs max.
Yep, something like that would be good too--a compromise between a come along and a mounted full size winch.

The problem is of course what you identified. A 2000 or even 2500 lb winch is simply not practical for a Wrangler owner, especially a JKU. Even with a snatch block, you'd only be up at a max of 5000. A JKU is 4000+ without any aftermarket bumpers etc. Add the suction and drag associated with being in a significantly deep amount of mud and you're going to burn out that winch pretty quick.

I suppose you could do multiple snatch blocks, but that'd get pretty complicated, you'd need tons of line, and it'd take forever.

That seems to be the problem here. Handheld stuff is ghastly slow, inefficient, labor intensive, prone to damage, etc., whereas the heavy duty mounted winches are incredibly heavy and have their own assortment of problems. It's tough to come up with a compromise for an occasional user who rarely needs a winch but does indeed need one every so often. Jimbox has the best set up I've seen for those purposes.
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I've done extractions with hi lifts and come a longs. Just go buy a basic 8k winch. Not terribly priced you can keep your stock bumper and a cheaper winch is ok (I go warn but whatever). And if it occasional use it will be much nicer to sit in the jeep hitting a button
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You can't be too safe. Get the Hi-Lift and use it to jack the vehicle up so you can pile the beer cans or passengers under the tires to reduce the drag. In the unlikely event you need to go forward to get un-stuck, use the your front winch that you bought to pull your buddies out of trouble and to pull yourself up slick or steep hills. If you need to go backward to get out then you can winch the vehicle out with the Hi-Lift, your girly winch-in-a-bag, a block and tackle, come-alongs, chain falls or passengers that were too big to fit in the void below your tire. Don't forget to pack a healthy tree or a big rock just in case you get stuck and there isn't one close enough ahead or behind to latch on to.
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You can't be too safe. Get the Hi-Lift and use it to jack the vehicle up so you can pile the beer cans or passengers under the tires to reduce the drag. In the unlikely event you need to go forward to get un-stuck, use the your front winch that you bought to pull your buddies out of trouble and to pull yourself up slick or steep hills. If you need to go backward to get out then you can winch the vehicle out with the Hi-Lift, your girly winch-in-a-bag, a block and tackle, come-alongs, chain falls or passengers that were too big to fit in the void below your tire. Don't forget to pack a healthy tree or a big rock just in case you get stuck and there isn't one close enough ahead or behind to latch on to.
First of all. I used to stack cans up under the stairwell of our charter buses and lower the air bags (kneel) the bus and crush em that's just fun.
Secondly there is NEVER a tree or rock around when you need it. NEVER.
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Heh Heh, yea I keep forgetting about you guys in the East-I'm so spoiled by the Sierras, where you can't go ten feet without trees and rocks-

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Heh Heh, yea I keep forgetting about you guys in the East-I'm so spoiled by the Sierras, where you can't go ten feet without trees and rocks-

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Well normally when the trails are easy and have no challenge it's lined with trees. It's that one spot that my 100 feet of winch cable can't get solid around anything that I get stuck
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First of all. I used to stack cans up under the stairwell of our charter buses and lower the air bags (kneel) the bus and crush em that's just fun.
Secondly there is NEVER a tree or rock around when you need it. NEVER.
In all the years I've been driving buses I never thought of that... New ideas...
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In all the years I've been driving buses I never thought of that... New ideas...
Haha it's fun! Try it. Also. The onboard air supply underneath is fun to play with. Like when someones asleep run an air line inside and attach a set of air horns.
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Well normally when the trails are easy and have no challenge it's lined with trees. It's that one spot that my 100 feet of winch cable can't get solid around anything that I get stuck
Guys that go really off-road (explore)take those winch (boat anchor) crutchs, that you bury in sand and "MaxTracks"-

I guess we just do the best we can, without taking a BIG TRAILER, with all the stuff requiured !!


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Guys that go really off-road (explore)take those winch (boat anchor) crutchs, that you bury in sand and "MaxTracks"-

I guess we just do the best we can, without taking a BIG TRAILER, with all the stuff requiured !!

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I just call another jeeper in the area. If one with a winch isn't available I just call someone and winch off their vehicle
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Rough Country winch mount plate. Once mounted (no drilling or cutting any metal) is fairly easy to change the winch. But that would add $240.00.
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Ran across some 3 ton come alongs in 4 Wheeler. Check out Wyeth-Scott.com
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Ran across some 3 ton come alongs in 4 Wheeler. Check out Wyeth-Scott.com
Bingo--those are the best I've seen. The problem though is that for those prices, I might as well toss a basic winch either on the front or use a trailer hitch mount to set up a temporary rear mount winch. But yeah, those look great. THAT'S what a hand winch should look like--those other trinkets on Amazon just don't look like they have nearly the same level of heft and durability.

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