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Old 04-06-2010, 02:47 PM   #1
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Is a Rubicon upgrade worth the money?

I've already explained in other posts, but I'm having a hell of a time getting a dealership to upgrade the stock Sahara wheels and tires on my custom build package. Nearly every option I'm offered will ultimately have me paying close to $2K extra for upgraded wheels and tires. At that rate, I'm thinking about being done with the whole headache and just ordering a Rubicon. But... I honestly won't be doing a ton of offroad driving. Is the upgrade worth the extra $2500? Thanks guys.

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For 2500 bucks, I think it's more than worth it, but then again, I bought a Rubi specifically to take it off road. I think you'd probably get most of that money back in resale value. And if you are like most of us . . . you say now that you probably won't do much offroading, but with any Jeep, espeically a Rubi, that might change once to give it a try and sit back in awe at what your Jeep can do right out of the box. IMO-get the Rubi and never look back! BTW - 2000 bucks for just Rubi wheels and tires is a total rip off . . . you'd be better just getting whatever came on the Jeep and then buying a set of Rubi Wheels and Tires from somebody that is going bigger and then turn around and sell your wheel and tires and you might spend 500 if that.

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Sell your stock wheels and tires and pocket the $500.
Go to Discount Tire or similar and buy 5 wheels and 5 tires for as much or as little as you want ---- you have incredible options available.
A tire shop might even take your take-offs in trade.


EDIT --- only $2500 more for the Rubicon? Ummmmm, do it...
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With the rubi over the sahara you don't just get the tires. you get the MUCH better transfercase, the d44 front axle, AND lockers for both. You will be able to go where no other vehicle can go that drives off any dealer lot anywhere! That is my most regretable thing about getting my Jeep, is that I didn't just spring for the rubi. Now I am looking around for the transfercase and axles.

You will have alot more options available to you and your resale will be that much better and a rubi doesn't sit on a lot for long.
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It doesn't seem like you're alone in this. A lot of individuals seem to want to build a Rubi, so in your case I think you should just get a Rubi. No regrets for me.
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I hate to say this because I know that Hilldweller will be reading but...I got an 08 Unlimited Sahara as my first jeep and didn't know what wheeling was and it was my daily driver. I had a chance to do it over after having it for about 8 months and got the Unlimited Rubicon. I can tell you that I wheel a lot more often than I thought I would. I REALLY enjoy it A LOT. The features in it are pretty incredible. I've got this $hi+ eating grin on my face that just won't seem to go away. It is my daily driver and I have to be careful as I pass dirt roads, the jeep wants to wander down them all the time to see where they go. My best grins come when my wife says "are you sure that we can get out of here" when I get into a tight or gnarly spot. She has done it a few times and I can't describe the joy when I reply, IT'S A JEEP! It got us in here, it'll get us out.

Even when the thing busted on me I had to laugh when Chrysler roadside assistance tow truck driver told me on a back road in New Hampshire "I ain't bringing my rig down there, you'll have to get someone with a 4wd to tow you out". I got a buddy to tow me out and jeep replaced the 60 cent bushing of death in the transfer case linkage and all better. I think I got the jeep thing pretty bad when even that seems like a knee slapping, face grinning experience. By the way, after I had it towed out, I crawled under it and put it in 2wd and drove it to the dealer.

Anyway, if you are like me, you'll find uses of it soon after you get it. If you can afford it get the Rubi and don't look back.

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I think the Rubicon will hold value nicely. All Wranglers hold their value better than most vehicles, but in 6 or 7 years, the Rubi's will be worth even more. So you'll get a lot of that money back.

Not really relevant, but I think the TJ Rubicon LJ will hold its value tremendously well. Almost enough to make it worth buying one and just parking it. But that would be a sin.
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Heh Heh,GET A RUBI-GET A RUBI

You'll make out IF you sell it or trade it, years down the road

Jeep Rubi's several years old, are still selling for close to selling price on '07/'08 Rubis--$30k/34K--Here on the West coast

I got a real deal on my '08, but it doesn't end as you go out the door, mine Isn't a DD, but I've put close to 8K, in mods and the end isn't in sight

If I was you I'd buy a SUBARU !!

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Thanks guys. All the advice is bittersweet... looks like I might be spending the extra $$ now. My biggest concern is just that I live in Biloxi, MS and bounce alot back and forth between here and New Orleans, so regardless of where I am it's awful flat and doesn't seem like I'd ever use most of the features I'm paying for. It's nice to know they're there in case I ever do need them, but I'm having trouble justifying it as practical for my daily vehicle, haha. That said... best offer I can get for aftermarket rims and 32" BFG tires is $2,000 with a $500 credit for swapping back the stock tires to the dealership. So $1500 for the rims and tires I want on a Sahara versus $2500 extra for the Rubicon instead and keep the stock rims and tires....
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Thanks guys. All the advice is bittersweet... looks like I might be spending the extra $$ now. My biggest concern is just that I live in Biloxi, MS and bounce alot back and forth between here and New Orleans, so regardless of where I am it's awful flat and doesn't seem like I'd ever use most of the features I'm paying for. It's nice to know they're there in case I ever do need them, but I'm having trouble justifying it as practical for my daily vehicle, haha. That said... best offer I can get for aftermarket rims and 32" BFG tires is $2,000 with a $500 credit for swapping back the stock tires to the dealership. So $1500 for the rims and tires I want on a Sahara versus $2500 extra for the Rubicon instead and keep the stock rims and tires....
That's a 1000 dollar difference between the Sahara and the Rubi...without a doubt...get the Rubi . . . better TC, stronger front axle, and two lockers . . . any one of those items would set you back more than 1000 bucks . . . and your resale will be much more than 1000 bucks more on the Rubi.
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Even though it might be flat where you are going, if ever you end up using dirt road and it rains, you'll definitely never get stuck..
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ROOOOOO-B!

I've driven between Biloxi (Mom used to live there, about a block behind the Lighthouse...) and Norlin's (Daughter lives there...) many, many times. Any way you head that way... 90 or I-10, you still may need the Rubi for those roads. Especially in NO! You looking at a Soft Top or Hard Top?

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Do any Rubi owners ever say I should have gotten a Sahara? If u can afford it go for it; nothing worse than regretting not getting it down the road.
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Thanks guys. Just crunched all the numbers, and here's what I'm looking at... The stock Sahara including all fees, tax, title, license, etc. would put me at $32,300... The Sahara with the upgraded rims and tires would put me at $34,300... A custom build, hardtop Rubicon is gonna cost me a total of $35,100 or so. I'm thinking at less than a grand more for the upgraded Rubicon, you guys are all right... I should definitely take it. As far as I can tell, $35K for a brand new, custom build Rubicon including fees, tax, title, and license isn't too bad. Right???
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I paid at least that for a fully loaded one in 08.
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When I was looking, It was coming to minimum $37500 tax and title in 09.. Luckily i managed to find a demo with 2700 miles on it and bought it for $28650 tax and title..
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Even though it might be flat where you are going, if ever you end up using dirt road and it rains, you'll definitely never get stuck..
Hate to be argumentative here, but

YES YOU WILL!

The very first time I took my Rubi off road, I got it high centered on some ruts on a muddy logging road. We had to walk out, hitch a ride home to get the pickup to pull it out.

While we were walking out, I told my OBM "I need a lift, and bigger tires!"
and so it began.

Yes, of COURSE get the Rubi. For as small a difference as it is in price you can't go wrong.
You going with a 4 door or a 2 door?

Which transmission are you going to get, standard or auto?
OH OH OH OH OH!

Dick Cepek, Mud Countrys! Damn fine all around tires!

Heck, you're not THAT far from us...
I have a good friend who is a Sales Manager at the Jeep dealership in Jackson TN. You could PM me for his contact info and maybe if you gave him a call he could help you figure out that whole wheel/tire thing that your dealership isn't helping with.

He found MY Rubi in MS, we went down and picked it up!
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@ Gotrailin... Wow you got a really good deal! Thanks for the comparison, it makes my $35K look pretty good to me.

@ Kate... Thanks for the offer. I did find another dealership willing to do the swap, but it was still going to cost me $1500 simply to upgrade the rims and tires on the Sahara, versus paying another $1000 and upgrading to the Rubicon model. At this point, I think I'm going to go with the stock Rubicon and forget all about upgrading the tires on the Sahara model. I'm going with a black 4 door Unlimited, auto trans, hardtop, and pretty much everything short of the in-dash touch screen navigation and hard drive system... I figure I'll save that $1,500 and buy a Garmin instead! Thanks again!
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Glad to hear you found something that will make you happy.
A 4 door Rubi with just a few minor modifications can be an extrordinarily competent off road vehicle.
Not saying it isn't great right out of the package, but minor mods make them fairly formidable trail rigs that can go places a short wheel base Jeep struggles with or just cannot do.

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Another thought.
Since you're planning to swap the tires out anyway, when you get the Rubi, see if they will give you some sort of credit maybe and swap the Wheels & tires off of the Rubi onto some other Jeep with lesser rubber. Then go get your new, BIGGER & BETTER (you can run 37's on that with very limited mods) tires!

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Thanks guys. All the advice is bittersweet... looks like I might be spending the extra $$ now. My biggest concern is just that I live in Biloxi, MS and bounce alot back and forth between here and New Orleans, so regardless of where I am it's awful flat and doesn't seem like I'd ever use most of the features I'm paying for. It's nice to know they're there in case I ever do need them, but I'm having trouble justifying it as practical for my daily vehicle, haha. That said... best offer I can get for aftermarket rims and 32" BFG tires is $2,000 with a $500 credit for swapping back the stock tires to the dealership. So $1500 for the rims and tires I want on a Sahara versus $2500 extra for the Rubicon instead and keep the stock rims and tires....
Jeeps are not usually bought for being practical daily drivers. They ride rough, leak, some times smell, and get horrible gas mileage. Some times I think to my self why the heck did I even get my Jeep. I drop the top and look around at all the other coffins around me and it all goes away.
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I drop the top and look around at all the other coffins around me and it all goes away.
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Living in SW Colorado and being retired, I probably go off road more than the average Jeep owner. My '10 Sahara Unlimited is my 9th new Jeep and goes anywhere I care to go. I've spend the big bucks to trick out a Scrambler and a TJ. In the end, my stock Jeeps went through 95% of the territory the high dollar jobs took me. Quite frankly, the step up into the Rubicon was just enough higher than the Sahara to make a difference to me. I travel with a winch, high lift jack, shovel, first aid kit and tow strap. I'll up grade the tires this summer. Since I can't see the wheels when I'm in the driver's seat, I can see no point in wasting money on a new set.
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Thanks guys. Just crunched all the numbers, and here's what I'm looking at... The stock Sahara including all fees, tax, title, license, etc. would put me at $32,300... The Sahara with the upgraded rims and tires would put me at $34,300... A custom build, hardtop Rubicon is gonna cost me a total of $35,100 or so. I'm thinking at less than a grand more for the upgraded Rubicon, you guys are all right... I should definitely take it. As far as I can tell, $35K for a brand new, custom build Rubicon including fees, tax, title, and license isn't too bad. Right???
OK,this is what you do ,because 32000 for a Sahara is out of line!In the chicago area they are giving 4100 off a new Sahara.So you can go to Jeep.com, then go to find a dealership . The dealership to look for is called Ziegler Jeep, search inventory,there you will see that they are taking 4100 off fully loaded Saharas.Now print that out. THEN,go to your dealership and tell them to beat it.(beat that price) You can story tell a bit. Tell them you have friends in Illinois and you will be visiting them soon,if they give you 4100 off the sticker ,you will probably buy it in Illinois and drive it home.You must be prepared to walk out of the dealership(your in the drivers seat).Admittedly(sp) I have not seen these kind of deals on Rubicons.

A Rubicon is a great daily driver.but if your stretching to far then stick with the Sahara. The Sahara is beautiful also,you're going to love it!!!!

P.S. 32,000 you should be able to get a relatively loaded 2dr Rubicon(new).
STAY FOCUSED,you must print that out(don't forget). Half the fun is the search for your new jeep,so have fun.
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I agree with what most of the people have posted. It all comes down to finances.

I do agree that 32K for a Sahara is ridiculous.

Don't be mislead by the Rubicon folks though. A standard JK is very capable on and off the road. You already said you weren't that hard core of an off roader so you sound like you are in the same boat as I was. The only really off-roading I do is trying to find photography spots, and to fishing holes. I went with the Sport with a lot of upgrades, rather than the Rubicon. The Rubicon was just to pricey for me, although I would love to have it. Sahara just wasn't worth the price for the options to me.
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The Rubicon was just to pricey for me, although I would love to have it.
The red enlarged part of the quote is the most important part of the decision and of course the can I afford it part is important too. After having been there and done that and, in my case, I really didn't know what I wanted but sure am happy I got the Rubicon cause I didn't realize how much of a closet jeep wannabe I really was.
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Jeeps are not usually bought for being practical daily drivers. They ride rough, leak, some times smell, and get horrible gas mileage. Some times I think to my self why the heck did I even get my Jeep. I drop the top and look around at all the other coffins around me and it all goes away.
YOU..... hit the nail right on the head!

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