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Old 08-22-2014, 03:37 PM   #1
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Is it a good idea to change out speakers even though I don't know what I have...

Installed right now, I mean it has good sound but could be better, The soundbar has those damn hex screws or I would check... But with a stock stereo does it help any? And I am not tearing apart my dash, I will have them do that in a few months when I switch out head units because the aftermarket ones require a 139.99 wiring kit to talk with the computer supposedly?

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I have a 130 Head Unit with Uconnect. I changed my stock speakers to the Kicker upgrade front and rear. They sound better, and have a plastic cone, instead of the paper cone stock speakers. Which should provide for better rain/water damage protection with the top off.

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I swapped out my stock speakers with Polk db651/6501 marine speakers all around. I didn't change out the wiring, just bought adapters. It sounds MUCH better now.

Still trying to decide on a head unit.
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Old 08-22-2014, 04:07 PM   #4
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What size are the sound bar speakers, and are they a pain to install?
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Before you swap speakers try the following:

1) Use a 10mm socket to tighten all the screws that attach the sound bar to the frame. Two of the six screws on my Jeep were loose causing HORRIBLE vibrations and sound distortion. Not to mention that one of the speakers was shot straight out of the factory. Good old Made in the USA Detroit Union quality control I guess. Thank you UAW!

2) Do the polyfil trick. Search the cheap mods thread for it.

If you still want more keep reading. The bar speakers need to fit in a 6.5" opening, with or without an adapter. There are two main paths people take

1) Polk DB651s is probably one of the most popular choices on this formum. It is 4 Ohm coax speakers vs. the 2 Ohm OEM so some people feel that they are not an optimal solution because now a rather weak amp has to drive 2x the load. They do need an adapter bracket and a metra harness to install plug-n-play or if you are handy you can just watch a video online and crimp a few connectors. Neither the adapter nor the harness is included unless you buy from Crutchfield, where they cost quite a bit more. There is a video on Youtube how to make your own adapter bracket form the OEM speakers you remove. This takes 15 seconds with some snips and works great. The speaker is labeled "marine grade" which may be important if you live in a damp climate and run topless.

2) Polk DB651 is the slightly taller profile version of the Polk DB651s. It will not fit under the OEM speaker covers with the adapters that are provided by Polk, but it will fit great with the DYI bracket method described above. Some people prefer them because the DB651 have slightly wider response than the DB651s. My take is that in a noisy Jeep you probably can't hear the difference. You need to buy the metra harness from Amazon. Also marine grade.

3) Mopar Kickers. Another 4 Ohm coax option popular here. Plug-and-play replacement for the OEM speakers.

4) Infinity 6032si is the equivalent of the Polk DB651s except that this is a 2 Ohm coax speaker. Some here strongly feel that matching the 2 Ohm resistance of the OEM speakers is the best thing you can do to improve your output.

5) Infinity 6032cf is the high profile version of the 6032si. Same tradeoffs as Polk DB651s vs BD651. Also a 2 Ohm speaker.

I just installed a pair of Polk DB651 in the sound bar and at first blush it seems that the sound quality improvement, if any, is marginal. I had already done the polyfill and frankly did not notice much improvement after it either. Perhaps I am deaf. Unlike what people say about 4Ohm speakers, I notice no appreciable dropoff in sound level with the volume set to the same setting as the OEM. There may actually be an improvement over OEM at high volume but I have not tested that yet.

Installation is trivial - if you can work a screwdriver you can do it.
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^ dang groovy... I don't even care about my speakers but you had me at the edge of my seat, reading feverishly to decide what the best upgrade path is for myself. I wish I could upvote your reply
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Heh, all of the above is merely a summary of what is scattered over multiple posts here. I still have the new car itch. I am sure it will wear off. It better wear off or my wallet will not like it. The best thing I did for my sound quality seems to have been the tightening of the screws. Oh well, the DB651 were only $63 from eBay.
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I installed the db651s in the soundbar and like groovy said, I didn't really notice much of a difference. However, I put db6500 components up front and the difference is night and day. The stock head units do some strange processing to the soundbar that just doesn't sound right. Like starbrite I'm still trying to decide on what head unit to go with.
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Groovy has good info there.

We have very little amplifier output to work with so running a 4 ohm speaker which cuts the output in half isn't the best idea. Sticking with 2 ohm will keep the small amount of power output that we have.

The next important piece of the puzzle is efficiency. Every 3 db of efficiency is equal to doubling the output of the amplifier. More is better!

Using those 2 together is the best possible outcome.

Yes, you can put in a 4 ohm Polk or Kicker, or whatever and get improvement. If the efficiency is more than 3db better (it likely is) than you overcome the 4 ohm cut in power and will actually play louder and of course they sound way better. They basically offset each other for the most part.

So, if you look at a high efficiency 2 ohm speaker, you get the best of both worlds. No loss in amplifier output and an increase in efficiency that is similar to doubling or even tripling your amplifier output.

There are 2 speakers that I have found that offer these benefits. The Infinity 6032si and the JBL P662s. The Infinity does come with a Mopar mounting adapter.
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Changing out the soundbar speakers will probably not get you much sound improvement with keeping the factory radio..if you fade your radio to the rear speakers and turn up the volume, you will notice that the output to the rear speakers is heavily attenuated compared to the fronts...I would recommend replacing the head unit(aftermarket) or on the cheap, adding a single compact sub/amp to do the heavy lifting on the low frequencies and let the speakers handle just the highs/mids- you could also try dialing in the factory radio's EQ settings so that you can acheive close to max volume without distortion....
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I changed all four (fronts and rears ) to the mopar kickers for now and my Jeep changed as a result.I have the 430rbz oem head unit. Next I will install a 4 channel alpine power pack and a JL under-seat powered sub. My coworker has this same exact setup in the same exact Jeep (except his is firecracker red and mine is anvil) if I can get mine to sound like that I would be more than happy. As it stands right now, just the kicker upgrades have made a noticeable improvement, seriously
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Changing out the soundbar speakers will probably not get you much sound improvement with keeping the factory radio..if you fade your radio to the rear speakers and turn up the volume, you will notice that the output to the rear speakers is heavily attenuated compared to the fronts...I would recommend replacing the head unit(aftermarket) or on the cheap, adding a single compact sub/amp to do the heavy lifting on the low frequencies and let the speakers handle just the highs/mids- you could also try dialing in the factory radio's EQ settings so that you can acheive close to max volume without distortion....
Exactly. Even after installing an aftermarket amp I still can't get the sound bar speakers to sound quite right with the stock head unit. They sound better for sure, but not like the fronts. The fronts sound 1000x better.
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Exactly. Even after installing an aftermarket amp I still can't get the sound bar speakers to sound quite right with the stock head unit. They sound better for sure, but not like the fronts. The fronts sound 1000x better.
Yeah, that is what I noticed playing with the fade. Most of the sound seems to come from the fronts. I don't care enough about the sound in the car (topless most of the time) to be bothered to deal with the fronts and spend an extra $120. Guess I pissed away $60 and 15 minutes of my time putting the DB651 in the back.
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Installed right now, I mean it has good sound but could be better, The soundbar has those damn hex screws or I would check... But with a stock stereo does it help any? And I am not tearing apart my dash, I will have them do that in a few months when I switch out head units because the aftermarket ones require a 139.99 wiring kit to talk with the computer supposedly?

The wiring kit will allow you to retain your steering wheel controls with an aftermarket head unit. Swing over to Amazon for better pricing:

Amazon.com: PAC RP4-CH11 Radiopro4 Stereo Replacement Interface for Select Chrysler, Mitsubishi, Volkswagen Vehicles: Car Electronics
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That is the part they want to hose me for 140.00?
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That is the part they want to hose me for 140.00?
Yep! I bought it thinking I was going to add an aftermarket head unit, but ultimately ended up keeping the factory unit. I may still replace it at some point so I decided to hold on to the PAC adapter.
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Groovy has good info there.

We have very little amplifier output to work with so running a 4 ohm speaker which cuts the output in half isn't the best idea. Sticking with 2 ohm will keep the small amount of power output that we have.

The next important piece of the puzzle is efficiency. Every 3 db of efficiency is equal to doubling the output of the amplifier. More is better!

Using those 2 together is the best possible outcome.

Yes, you can put in a 4 ohm Polk or Kicker, or whatever and get improvement. If the efficiency is more than 3db better (it likely is) than you overcome the 4 ohm cut in power and will actually play louder and of course they sound way better. They basically offset each other for the most part.

So, if you look at a high efficiency 2 ohm speaker, you get the best of both worlds. No loss in amplifier output and an increase in efficiency that is similar to doubling or even tripling your amplifier output.

There are 2 speakers that I have found that offer these benefits. The Infinity 6032si and the JBL P662s. The Infinity does come with a Mopar mounting adapter.
Which do you think will sound better, the Infinity or Kicker?
Will the Infinity at Amazon bolt right up or do I need an adapter and wiring kit?
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Which do you think will sound better, the Infinity or Kicker?
Will the Infinity at Amazon bolt right up or do I need an adapter and wiring kit?
Better is somewhat subjective... I have heard both and like the Infinity's. I also believe they play louder and sometimes that can be perceived as better.

The 6032si comes with a Mopar bracket, but does not come with a wiring harness.

There is a Metra speaker harness available from Crutchfield for $8 that makes them plug and play. I think it's the 71-050...
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Better is somewhat subjective... I have heard both and like the Infinity's. I also believe they play louder and sometimes that can be perceived as better.

The 6032si comes with a Mopar bracket, but does not come with a wiring harness.

There is a Metra speaker harness available from Crutchfield for $8 that makes them plug and play. I think it's the 71-050...
For the love of God don't overpay Crutchfield. I don't mind supporting a favorite business with somewhat higher prices but Crutchfield is often beyond reason. Example - Polk DB651, $99 on Crutchfield $67 almost everywhere else. That is a nearly 50% markup. The Metra harness is on Amazon for under $5. Tax considerations may change the balance for some.
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For the love of God don't overpay Crutchfield. I don't mind supporting a favorite business with somewhat higher prices but Crutchfield is often beyond reason. Example - Polk DB651, $99 on Crutchfield $67 almost everywhere else. That is a nearly 50% markup. The Metra harness is on Amazon for under $5. Tax considerations may change the balance for some.
Crutchfield actually has some decent sales once in a while where it might be worth it for the included adapters and the lifetime support, but yea usually they a bit a higher than everyone else. For example, the dxi651 is essentially the same speaker as the db651, and is $65. I would rather order from them at the same price as amazon and know that if I have any problems or questions I could just call them up and talk to someone.

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