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Old 05-31-2012, 07:27 AM   #1
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Is it a "Jeep Thing?"

After stepping straight out of a Sports Car and into a Jeep, I realized there was going to be a big difference in the ride and handling, but what I didn't expect was a ride that felt out of control at times. There are a lot of times when I'm on the highway and hit a bump and all of a sudden, the vehicle feels like it's thrown "off track," and I find myself fighting with the wheel to get "back on track." While I'm not weaving left and right across lanes, I find myself fighting to keep the vehicle going straight. Considering there are sections of road under construction where there are retaining walls literally right outside my window, this racks my nerves a bit as one wrong "tram-line" or "jiggle" could send me sideswiping into one of them.

Does anyone else experience this weird "kicking" or "bucking" in their Jeep when hitting some dips in the road? Just wondering if this is something that needs to be addressed or if it's just the nature of the beast...

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You went from a car to a truck, a live axle truck at that. What you are describing is perfectly normal. Wait until you hit some washboards, that's when the adventure begins!

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You went from a car to a truck, a live axle truck at that. What you are describing is perfectly normal. Wait until you hit some washboards, that's when the adventure begins!
this, and just wait till you lift it and put bigger tires on it... yup its a jeep thing.
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True.. Just the other day got this same issue.. thou it's not really an issue. One must realize what we've went through to get to our current Jeep.. at least 16 different car/trucks in less then 18 years.. Why?.. because we could and life changes..

As for the "Bucking", this is normal.. mainly the center of gravity and the coil springs, the distance from the front wheels to the rear.. all of these factors make for this kind of ride. Thou our roads aren't helping matters..

The Wrangler is set up for many times of conditions and a verity of roads.. thou hard surface roads with mud tires doesn't make a good combo.. So if you wanted a better ride without the bucking.. best stick with road/touring tires and lower the jeep.. but then again.. your jerry rigging it for street use. Which there is nothing against this.. just the aerodynamics aren't that great.

I guess (by your signature) you've been driving the Camaro more then the Jeep.. So yes it's hard to over come or over compensate for the lack of or more sensitive response.
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Simply put, different animal. I also came from a sports car... Had a 2008 VW R32, only 1 of 5,000 made - rare car. Basically, think of a GTI on steroids. 250hp V6 shoved into a hatchback, 6 speed DSG with paddle shifters and AWD. That thing carved precise lines like a surgeon's scalpel on the road. The handling was typical German - tight and sporty.

My Jeep is light years away from that car, and as much as I loved driving it, I love driving my Jeep even more. So, the wheel hops and the jitters are characteristic of our 4WD vehicles. My recommendation on the highway for those barriers? Try slowing down and enjoy life a bit in the slow lane for a change. It's hard at first, coming from cool fast cars, but your Jeep will make you come around and adapt to it!
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I've driven everything from sports cars, soccer mom vans, suv's etc.... this is my first Jeep Wrangler (owned 2 liberty's) anyways mine hops around a lot too but that's the part I enjoy the most!!!!! Guess you love it or you don't. Sit back & enjoy the ride, but try not to take anything out
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Simply put, different animal. I also came from a sports car... Had a 2008 VW R32, only 1 of 5,000 made - rare car. Basically, think of a GTI on steroids. 250hp V6 shoved into a hatchback, 6 speed DSG with paddle shifters and AWD. That thing carved precise lines like a surgeon's scalpel on the road. The handling was typical German - tight and sporty.

My Jeep is light years away from that car, and as much as I loved driving it, I love driving my Jeep even more. So, the wheel hops and the jitters are characteristic of our 4WD vehicles. My recommendation on the highway for those barriers? Try slowing down and enjoy life a bit in the slow lane for a change. It's hard at first, coming from cool fast cars, but your Jeep will make you come around and adapt to it!
Very familiar with the R32. In fact, if it matched the STi's 300 hp back in 2005 when I bought it, I would have traded in my 2002 GTI 1.8T on an R32 instead of an STi.

I've obviously driven my Camaro more as I've had it far longer, and it's pushing 213,000 miles today, though it's not seeing a whole lot of road time any longer. The only things stopping me from getting rid of it are the facts that it has a lot of sentimental value and is a B4C model, 1 of 668 made for the 1994 model year, and less than 4000 in total production.

Just glad to hear this is normal. While it doesn't comfort me any once I hit the highway, I'm just happy to hear nothing is going on that shouldn't be.
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True @ORNGCR8

at times going from an old ford ranger to a Tahoe then down to a 2003 Chevy Corvette Z06 then back up to a Commander then down to (unnamed car) then back up to our 08 Wrangler.. and this Wrang does sit higher. Not just from the stance but from inside the Jeep..

Also.. the speed issue.. glad we've go back into the Wrang we were very close to getting a few tickets with our (unnamed car) Actually wife did get a warning ticket going through school zone.. grr damn speed cameras and slow moving buses..
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I too have been through many vehicles. I usually go from truck to car back to truck again through my purchasing years. Recently I traded a 2001 Cherokee Sport which I bought used it had 142,000 miles on it. I drove it up to Northern NY and Vermont last year. Now that vehicle was squirley. I just kept it at 70-75mph on the highway because of it. My other vehicles are a 2009 Harley, 1997 4Runner 4x4(very smooth on the road) and a 2011 Colorado company provided Truck.

After driving these vehicles the 2012 Wrangler feels refined.

Had I driven it directly after selling my 2007 Accord and 2006 SRT-8 Magnum it would have felt like driving a tank.

I really haven't felt unsafe with it going through construction with barriersbut I haven't done it at 75 yet either. I did feel that way with the Cherokee but slowing down a bit (hard for me to do) solved the problem.

The Wrangler has a front and rear axles which are not the best setup for high speed handling. They are great for going over difficult terrain at low speed.

If you do feel unsafe have your dealer take a look just to be on the sure. Then again you didn't say how fast you were going when it felt out of control. 55mph would indicate a problem, 85mph is probally too fast for this off roader on rough highway.
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I too have been through many vehicles. I usually go from truck to car back to truck again through my purchasing years. Recently I traded a 2001 Cherokee Sport which I bought used it had 142,000 miles on it. I drove it up to Northern NY and Vermont last year. Now that vehicle was squirley. I just kept it at 70-75mph on the highway because of it. My other vehicles are a 2009 Harley, 1997 4Runner 4x4(very smooth on the road) and a 2011 Colorado company provided Truck.

After driving these vehicles the 2012 Wrangler feels refined.

Had I driven it directly after selling my 2007 Accord and 2006 SRT-8 Magnum it would have felt like driving a tank.

I really haven't felt unsafe with it going through construction with barriersbut I haven't done it at 75 yet either. I did feel that way with the Cherokee but slowing down a bit (hard for me to do) solved the problem.

The Wrangler has a front and rear axles which are not the best setup for high speed handling. They are great for going over difficult terrain at low speed.

If you do feel unsafe have your dealer take a look just to be on the sure. Then again you didn't say how fast you were going when it felt out of control. 55mph would indicate a problem, 85mph is probally too fast for this off roader on rough highway.
The speed limit is 55 mph through these particular sections. While I drove a bit quicker than 55 mph in the STi, the Jeep has kept me going the speed limit for varieties of reasons; safety, fuel mileage, handling, acceleration (or lack thereof...), etc.

I've found myself to be a much more relaxed driver since getting the Jeep.
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Same thing with mine i thought i crapped my pants the first time it happened now i just take it easy and go slower besides people cant admire my jeep if its flying down the rode lol
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Correct air pressure in the tires makes a huge difference in the handling of the Jeep. Too high and you'll bounce all over the place like a Super Happy Fun Ball. Reducing it will give you better handling on the bumps and corners.

When I picked up mine from the dealer, the tire pressure was set at 48 PSI. I've got them down to about 30 PSI now, and it's like driving a completely different vehicle.
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Very familiar with the R32. In fact, if it matched the STi's 300 hp back in 2005 when I bought it, I would have traded in my 2002 GTI 1.8T on an R32 instead of an STi.

I've obviously driven my Camaro more as I've had it far longer, and it's pushing 213,000 miles today, though it's not seeing a whole lot of road time any longer. The only things stopping me from getting rid of it are the facts that it has a lot of sentimental value and is a B4C model, 1 of 668 made for the 1994 model year, and less than 4000 in total production.

Just glad to hear this is normal. While it doesn't comfort me any once I hit the highway, I'm just happy to hear nothing is going on that shouldn't be.

Cool, I had a '95 1LE, it was a fun car. Bought it new, bought back on the lemon law 9 month later.
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Simply put, different animal. I also came from a sports car... Had a 2008 VW R32, only 1 of 5,000 made - rare car. Basically, think of a GTI on steroids. 250hp V6 shoved into a hatchback, 6 speed DSG with paddle shifters and AWD. That thing carved precise lines like a surgeon's scalpel on the road. The handling was typical German - tight and sporty.

My Jeep is light years away from that car, and as much as I loved driving it, I love driving my Jeep even more. So, the wheel hops and the jitters are characteristic of our 4WD vehicles. My recommendation on the highway for those barriers? Try slowing down and enjoy life a bit in the slow lane for a change. It's hard at first, coming from cool fast cars, but your Jeep will make you come around and adapt to it!
The R32 was nice, but not that impressive. A 2.0T with a chip or a 1.8T with a chip would have more straight line acceleration and a properly setup suspension would have it handling nice. Not to mention any new S or RS Audi would blow it's doors off. Even the new Golf R is under powered compared to it's competitors.

Anyways, I've never felt that my JK was never under my control, and that's with top speeds of 85ish or so on the intestate. I even hit multiple construction zones going faster than the posted speed and never had an issue.
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I went through a period where I had to get used to my Jeep too.

I came from smaller front wheel drive cars, so all the old school stuff like live axels, body on frame, rear wheel drive took a little getting used to.

Now it all feels great! I love this thing!
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Stiffer Springs, less air in tires, and don't drive with hand at 12 O'Clock.
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I've found myself to be a much more relaxed driver since getting the Jeep.

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Like the other fellow Minnesota member above suggested, play with the tire air pressure. It could make quite a difference.
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Con Artist, I know exactly where you are coming from. I went from a 2010 MINI JCW to a 2012 lifted JKUR. When I made the 250mi trip home it was quite an experience. I've since dropped the tire pressure on my 36" IROKS to 25 psi, added Rancho 9000XL's, a Fox SS, and torqued the loose pitman arm to spec. The Jeep drives 100% better and feels more refined. I also tend to drive a little slower now.
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I came from a Nissan 350Z. My motto used to be "Sit down, Shut up, and Hold on", It still applies to the Jeep. Only for much different reasons. Along with the air pressure check, it might be worth your while to get your alignment checked.
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Cool, I had a '95 1LE, it was a fun car. Bought it new, bought back on the lemon law 9 month later.
Yeah, that kinda sucks, especially considering how amazing those 1LE cars are. The B4C had a few pieces from the 1LE, but not the entire suspension.

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The R32 was nice, but not that impressive. A 2.0T with a chip or a 1.8T with a chip would have more straight line acceleration and a properly setup suspension would have it handling nice. Not to mention any new S or RS Audi would blow it's doors off. Even the new Golf R is under powered compared to it's competitors.

Anyways, I've never felt that my JK was never under my control, and that's with top speeds of 85ish or so on the intestate. I even hit multiple construction zones going faster than the posted speed and never had an issue.
I've always found VW/Audi to be underpowered compared with their competitors, yet they always play it off as , "Well, our cars are in a class of their own."

My wife had a 2009 Audi Quattro 2.0T until recently and it was a very nice car, but unfortunately that stupid DSG never acted right, and everything cost a fortune, even stuff I could get done at the VW dealership. We replaced it a few weeks ago with a 2012 Subaru Forester 2.5i Premium; a 100,000 mile warranty (extended...), more room, the same gas mileage, lower monthly payment, and Subaru's notorious safety and reliability.

Yeah, we miss some things about the A3, especially the interior quality and some features, but sometimes those things alone don't make for the better overall vehicle.

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I went through a period where I had to get used to my Jeep too.

I came from smaller front wheel drive cars, so all the old school stuff like live axels, body on frame, rear wheel drive took a little getting used to.

Now it all feels great! I love this thing!
Every day I get a little more comfortable with it, but I think it's just gonna take some getting used to. My biggest issue, aside from the ride and handling is how vague the manual is. On the second day of ownership I wound up in the "reverse" gear on the highway. It's a good thing I hadn't let out on the clutch or that could've been very disastrous!

While upshifting and downshifting, I'm finding myself just coming back into Neutral prior to shifting into 5th or 6th gear; basically "double-shifting." I certainly don't want to repeat that mistake again. Another issue is that I'm finding myself in the wrong gear on some hills and by the time I'm shifting, I'm having to shift into an even LOWER gear due to the thing just slowing down so abruptly!

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Con Artist, I know exactly where you are coming from. I went from a 2010 MINI JCW to a 2012 lifted JKUR. When I made the 250mi trip home it was quite an experience. I've since dropped the tire pressure on my 36" IROKS to 25 psi, added Rancho 9000XL's, a Fox SS, and torqued the loose pitman arm to spec. The Jeep drives 100% better and feels more refined. I also tend to drive a little slower now.
Wow, that is quite a change! I'll give that a try.

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I came from a Nissan 350Z. My motto used to be "Sit down, Shut up, and Hold on", It still applies to the Jeep. Only for much different reasons. Along with the air pressure check, it might be worth your while to get your alignment checked.
I thought about that but on even surfaces it tracks straight and true, it's just that dips and gullies tend to upset it.
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4,000 miles on mine and I really don't notice it at all. Maybe I'm just used to it by now. My last Vehicle was a Avalanche so maybe it was just nothing new. If I compare it to my M3 or even the wife's G35 there's be a huge differance.
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When I picked up mine from the dealer, the tire pressure was set at 48 PSI. I've got them down to about 30 PSI now, and it's like driving a completely different vehicle.
This makes me want to go check my pressures right now. I haven't checked them since I bought my Jeep 2 months ago, but I'm guessing they're up there based on how it drives.

I'm almost never on the highway and the Jeep drives great at <55mph. Handling is sharp (relatively speaking, of course) and it rolls forever, so I'm not planning on lowering them. I imagine that going from 45+ PSI to 30PSI would destroy rolling resistance & drop fuel economy.
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The only time I really notice it is when I have to drive my daughter's Honda Civic coupe ... and wow, what a difference! Hard to get used to driving that tiny lil bug after the Jeep, but it handles very smooth. However, it's way too close to the ground ...

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Not to derail the subject but I had to get used to the speedometer being on the left. I keep looking down at the tach for my speed, then shift my eyes left and my arm is always in the way. I think my eyes are off the road longer than people who text.

Is that a Jeep thing?
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you may find that dropping your tire pressure by a couple pounds might help w/it. A lot of times places will inflate to MAX which is to much for the lighter jeeps and causes 'em to ride like a skateboard on the sidewalk. Yes, its a Jeep thing but, personally I dropped from 35psi to 30psi on each tire and even my wife says OMG I can't believe how much nicer it rides. Don't go to low or you'll loose gas mileage and start bouncing to much. The key is to find a happy medium for the weight of your rig to get the tires to contact the road without seeming over or under inflated. Your describing the ride as if the tires are to stiff = over inflated.

I would start by dropping 2 psi from each tire and see how it rides on the highway. If no different, drop 2 more. Then 2 more if absolutely needed. All together I would not drop more than 6 psi per tire or you'll run into other issues.
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The only time I really notice it is when I have to drive my daughter's Honda Civic coupe ... and wow, what a difference! Hard to get used to driving that tiny lil bug after the Jeep, but it handles very smooth. However, it's way too close to the ground ...

Serious question: do new shocks really make a huge difference vs. stock? I've been going back and forth on whether or not to get new ones.
Absolutely.
Especially stock sport shocks. The Rubi shocks are better.
A good shock will help keep the tire on the ground and less body roll around corners.

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Especially stock sport shocks. The Rubi shocks are better.
A good shock will help keep the tire on the ground and less body roll around corners.

Settled on the Rancho 9000's. 9 shocks in 1
I was just getting ready to ask that question.

How much do shocks and tires play a role? I know the axle is the axle...but...would the upgraded (Sahara/Rubi) shocks coupled with the lower profile Sahara tires help?

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