Is it necessary to run beadlock wheel when off roading - Jeep Wrangler Forum
Jeep Wrangler Forum

Go Back   Jeep Wrangler Forum > JK Jeep Wrangler Forum > JK General Discussion Forum

Join Wrangler Forum Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on WranglerForum.com
Old 04-22-2012, 11:50 PM   #1
Jeeper
 
Oliver7886's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 16
Is it necessary to run beadlock wheel when off roading

Need help on this matter please. I'm looking to buy a set of wheels but don't know if I need beadlocks or just plan wheels I have a 08 jeep jk 5x5 bolt pattern

Oliver7886 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-22-2012, 11:57 PM   #2
MTH
Jeeper
 
MTH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 8,553
I wouldn't think so, no. Not unless you're into some very serious wheeling.

As I understand it, bead locks keep the tire on the wheel during very low PSI situations--as in when you air way, way down for improved traction.

While many jeepers drop a few PSI for offroading, it's rarely down to the kinds of numbers bead locks would be most useful for. You're welcome to get them, but I'd hazard a guess that the vast, vast--vast--majority do not.

__________________
Mike
2010 JKU "Mountain" Edition
TeraFlex 2.5" Coil Lift : Old Man Emu Nitrocharger Shocks : 33x12.5R15 Goodyear DuraTracs : 15x8 Black Rock 909s : Other Stuff . . .
MTH is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-22-2012, 11:58 PM   #3
Jeeper
 
07XMan2Door's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: colorado
Posts: 1,691
Welcome to the Forum!!! You'll really like it here & mabey even learn a bunch of stuff.

I would say no. Unless you are doing extreme rockcrawling & airing down under 8 to 10 lbs I wouldn't reccomend BL's.

I usually air down to 12 lbs. I have gone down to 8 lbs w/o any issues. Running 35x12.5x15 Cooper STT's.

Getting new tires mounted on those BL rims is an expensive pain in the arse.
07XMan2Door is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-23-2012, 12:09 AM   #4
Jeeper
 
WatchThis!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: East Texas
Posts: 4,004
Images: 3
I run beadlocks and I will tell you they are a lot of work and not worth it if you dont plan on doing hardcore whelling very often. I check the bolts on my rings every other week and you would be suprise how often I find one or two lose. Lot of folks arnt going to go through the truble of checking 24 bolts per rim often to make sure they are still torqued to spec.

IMO if you are doing the kind of whelling that you have to drop down to 8 psi or so you better know your stuff and have a well built rig. And if this is the case then you wouldnt have to ask the question of if you need them or not.

But hey I know guys that run them and dont even air down. So to each there own.
__________________
I'm here to participate. I didnt come all this way just to watch.

My jeep's thread http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/che...st-111461.html
WatchThis! is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-23-2012, 12:13 AM   #5
Jeeper
 
WatchThis!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: East Texas
Posts: 4,004
Images: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by 07XMan2Door

Getting new tires mounted on those BL rims is an expensive pain in the arse.
I actly save money becouse I mount my own tires. Its easy to do since you will have the top half of the rim off. It just takes awhile. It took me 8 hours to change out all 5 rims and torque them down right.
__________________
I'm here to participate. I didnt come all this way just to watch.

My jeep's thread http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/che...st-111461.html
WatchThis! is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-23-2012, 08:08 AM   #6
Jeeper
 
JIMBOX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 9,914
It's a jungle out there


Quote:
Originally Posted by WatchThis! View Post
I run beadlocks and I will tell you they are a lot of work and not worth it if you dont plan on doing hardcore whelling very often. I check the bolts on my rings every other week and you would be suprise how often I find one or two lose. Lot of folks arnt going to go through the truble of checking 24 bolts per rim often to make sure they are still torqued to spec.

IMO if you are doing the kind of whelling that you have to drop down to 8 psi or so you better know your stuff and have a well built rig. And if this is the case then you wouldnt have to ask the question of if you need them or not.

But hey I know guys that run them and dont even air down. So to each there own.
-Good advice-

They are-a real OFF-ROAD VEHICLE signal for your audience, just like having a snorkel/Hilift on the spare tire carrier and a roof rac/wbasket--however

If you run beadlocks, cause you do off-road EXTREME, be aware to what "Watchthis" says, and if you have a flat, and need a repair on the road--figure at least $50/75 bucks fora repair-

An alternative is learning the criteria for YOUR air-downing and how to steer your jeep when you go very low in air pressure--ie-under 12 psi, in front-

Very little of "JEEPIN" is just simple pleasure-but man can it be fun !

Keepyer[powder dry

JIMBO
__________________
"ya gotta have class"
JIMBOX is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-23-2012, 09:37 PM   #7
Jeeper
 
Oliver7886's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 16
Ok thanks for the advice. If you don't mind me asking other then look why do off roaders buy aftermarket wheel when the factory wheels are not that bad of wheels I'm lead tech at a body shop and I know my way around a most vehicles but a jeep is a first for me... working on one and owning one I've always wanted one and now I have one so I'm trying to learn all the in's and out of a jeep I'm wanting to put a 6" lift with 37" tires so I'm trying to map out everything I need... And I was going to start with wheels and tires I just figured that it would be a good start.
Oliver7886 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-23-2012, 09:42 PM   #8
The Bad Guy

WF Supporting Member
 
daggo66's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: NJ exile living in Baltimore
Posts: 22,209
Keep in mind that in some states it is illegal to run bead locks on the street.
__________________
Tom

"I've got two things in this world, my balls and my word and I don't break them for no one."
daggo66 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-23-2012, 09:43 PM   #9
Jeeper

WF Supporting Member
 
Johnnyp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 177
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliver7886 View Post
Ok thanks for the advice. If you don't mind me asking other then look why do off roaders buy aftermarket wheel when the factory wheels are not that bad of wheels I'm lead tech at a body shop and I know my way around a most vehicles but a jeep is a first for me... working on one and owning one I've always wanted one and now I have one so I'm trying to learn all the in's and out of a jeep I'm wanting to put a 6" lift with 37" tires so I'm trying to map out everything I need... And I was going to start with wheels and tires I just figured that it would be a good start.
6" lift and 37" tires, that's a whole lot of mapping out. I think you need to learn a lot before you get deep into this.

Why would you buy wheels and tires first? If you plan on doing 37's? Seems a bit backwards to me.

Besides looks, most people buy after market wheels for backspacing I would imagine.
Johnnyp is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-23-2012, 10:07 PM   #10
Jeeper
 
aelwero's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Fort Bliss TX
Posts: 1,669
Images: 1
I got aftermarkets because dropping to 15" wheels knocks a few hundred bucks off the price of tires, and the MT/R's I favor wear fast enough that it adds up quick. they also allowed me to add 4 inches or so of width to my tread patch
__________________
'71 DJ-5 (that isn't a typo)
'10 JKU Sport RHD

RHD... it's a jeep thing
aelwero is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-23-2012, 10:13 PM   #11
War Damn Eagle

WF Supporting Member
 
gixxerphil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Auburn, Al
Posts: 29,007
Quote:
Originally Posted by daggo66 View Post
Keep in mind that in some states it is illegal to run bead locks on the street.
If you can provide proof, they'll donate $100 to the Blueribbon Coalition

LiftLaws.com - Are Beadlocks Street Legal?
__________________
Every time I see a color matched hard top, I want to rattle can it.
gixxerphil is online now   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-23-2012, 10:14 PM   #12
Jeeper
 
Oliver7886's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnnyp

6" lift and 37" tires, that's a whole lot of mapping out. I think you need to learn a lot before you get deep into this.

Why would you buy wheels and tires first? If you plan on doing 37's? Seems a bit backwards to me.

Besides looks, most people buy after market wheels for backspacing I would imagine.
Well I really don't know were to start other then wheels and tires as of right now I'm trying to get more power out of the motor but I'm the kind of person that is a go big or go home type person lol but were would you start at? I was going to set all of the parts aside and then put them on all at one time.
Oliver7886 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-23-2012, 10:19 PM   #13
MTH
Jeeper
 
MTH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 8,553
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliver7886
Ok thanks for the advice. If you don't mind me asking other then look why do off roaders buy aftermarket wheel when the factory wheels are not that bad of wheels I'm lead tech at a body shop and I know my way around a most vehicles but a jeep is a first for me... working on one and owning one I've always wanted one and now I have one so I'm trying to learn all the in's and out of a jeep I'm wanting to put a 6" lift with 37" tires so I'm trying to map out everything I need... And I was going to start with wheels and tires I just figured that it would be a good start.
Aftermarket wheels allow you to get better back spacing for wider tires, and a smaller wheel (if you choose) for cheaper tires.

There are JKers that do 6" lifts and 37s, but keep in mind that's going to be big money. Everything's got to change--wheels, tires, entire suspension (coils, shocks, upper/lower front/rear control arms, trackbars, etc), brake lines, steering issues, differential gearing, axle reinforcement, ball joints, front/rear driveshafts, spare tire carrier reinforcement, and more. You'll be well into the thousands of dollars just for parts.

So that's a big project. I'd want a lot of education before I tried to embark on that.

I'd expect you could also get away with 37s on a 4" lift with flat flares. That'll still require many of the same changes, though perhaps to a lesser extreme.

Not trying to discourage you btw. Should be awesome, but you've got to know what you're getting into is all I'm saying.
__________________
Mike
2010 JKU "Mountain" Edition
TeraFlex 2.5" Coil Lift : Old Man Emu Nitrocharger Shocks : 33x12.5R15 Goodyear DuraTracs : 15x8 Black Rock 909s : Other Stuff . . .
MTH is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-23-2012, 10:51 PM   #14
Jeeper
 
Oliver7886's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTH

Aftermarket wheels allow you to get better back spacing for wider tires, and a smaller wheel (if you choose) for cheaper tires.

There are JKers that do 6" lifts and 37s, but keep in mind that's going to be big money. Everything's got to change--wheels, tires, entire suspension (coils, shocks, upper/lower front/rear control arms, trackbars, etc), brake lines, steering issues, differential gearing, axle reinforcement, ball joints, front/rear driveshafts, spare tire carrier reinforcement, and more. You'll be well into the thousands of dollars just for parts.

So that's a big project. I'd want a lot of education before I tried to embark on that.

I'd expect you could also get away with 37s on a 4" lift with flat flares. That'll still require many of the same changes, though perhaps to a lesser extreme.

Not trying to discourage you btw. Should be awesome, but you've got to know what you're getting into is all I'm saying.
Your definitely not discouraging me I know my way around working on lift kits and mods of that sort so thats no problem and i hope im not sounding cocky but thats why I'm mapping it out this is going to be a long process because of the money it take so I'm trying to buy the more important thing first in your opinion what would you start with if you were going with a 6" lift on 37" tires?
Oliver7886 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-23-2012, 11:19 PM   #15
Jeeper
 
snochick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Arizona
Posts: 1,111
Images: 2
If this is an in-process build like many of us do your first purchases are gonna be exactly what MTH said. That alone is gonna cost you a few thousand. You're looking at roughly $3500 alone for the lift kit. Tires and wheels are gonna cost roughly $2000 if you bargain shop a lot. Driveshafts have quite a range in price but many range around $500 each and you'll need both. I don't even know how much differential gearing will run, I've intentionally avoided that.

That's why a lot of people are suggesting something closer to a 4" or lower, and why a lot of people recommend 35's or even 33's. There's a lot less money and work involved, and unless you're talking about some extreme duty wheeling it's more than enough to get the job done.

Now if you've got the cash and the know how, great. It's just gonna be a pretty expensive project. I'm only going with a 3.5" lift and 35" tires. And I've dropped about $3000 this week on that little endeavor. And I don't even have everything I need yet to do it up right.
snochick is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-23-2012, 11:24 PM   #16
MTH
Jeeper
 
MTH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 8,553
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliver7886

Your definitely not discouraging me I know my way around working on lift kits and mods of that sort so thats no problem and i hope im not sounding cocky but thats why I'm mapping it out this is going to be a long process because of the money it take so I'm trying to buy the more important thing first in your opinion what would you start with if you were going with a 6" lift on 37" tires?
Assuming you don't want to cycle through various tires/lifts making stuff progressively bigger, I'd gather the parts over time and then install all at once.

For 37s, I'd stick with 16" or 17" wheels. Even 18s would be okay. Presuming you've got 17s now, that means you could actually pick up a set of 17" wheels and put your stock tires on them if you just had to do something.

Otherwise, many of the components you're going to need simply won't fit until the lift is on. Maybe some adjustable trackbars and control arms could adjust from 0" of lift all the way to 6", but truthfully I've never looked into it. You surely won't be able to regear until the 37s are on, and the 37s will need the lift and wheels to go on in the first place. (Edit: Actually, with a 2008 non-rubicon you could regear to 5.13s right away if you've got an auto transmission.)

So potentially after the wheels, the next step is learning what all the components are that I identified in that prior post (if you don't know already), finding them on your jeep, and understanding how they're impacted by the extra height.

Then you've got to start looking at kits. You could build one, but I don't think you're going to find many truly complete 6" kits anyway, so you might as well start with a good kit. I'd look at Full Traction, TeraFlex, Clayton, AEV, Rock Krawler . . . there are others, but that should get you going.

Then you've got to figure out what you'll need to add. I'm going to say that at a minimum driveshafts, rear bumper with tire carrier (if you actually want to keep a spare tire back there), and gears are all going to be needed pretty much right away and aren't going to be included in any lift kit. Longer term issues are going to include axle reinforcement.
__________________
Mike
2010 JKU "Mountain" Edition
TeraFlex 2.5" Coil Lift : Old Man Emu Nitrocharger Shocks : 33x12.5R15 Goodyear DuraTracs : 15x8 Black Rock 909s : Other Stuff . . .
MTH is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-23-2012, 11:28 PM   #17
Jeeper
 
Smyln's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 40
I did the same. I mapped everything out first. I then purchased all and I am currently in the middle of my lift install. I am well into $6k and plan another 4k very soon. Plenty of research helps to avoid suprises. The biggest reason for aftermarket rims is the stock rims require wheel spacers and 17 tires are expensive. It's all a trade-off. Everyone has their opinion on spacers and 16" versus 17" wheels offroading. Plenty of threads to read. I belong to about 10 forums and a local jeep club. The biggest thing is finding local jeepers who live, sleep and eat jeep. My neighbor and I are both jeepers. It helps to have someone with real experience. enjoy.
Smyln is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-24-2012, 09:06 PM   #18
Jeeper
 
Oliver7886's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTH

Assuming you don't want to cycle through various tires/lifts making stuff progressively bigger, I'd gather the parts over time and then install all at once.

For 37s, I'd stick with 16" or 17" wheels. Even 18s would be okay. Presuming you've got 17s now, that means you could actually pick up a set of 17" wheels and put your stock tires on them if you just had to do something.

Otherwise, many of the components you're going to need simply won't fit until the lift is on. Maybe some adjustable trackbars and control arms could adjust from 0" of lift all the way to 6", but truthfully I've never looked into it. You surely won't be able to regear until the 37s are on, and the 37s will need the lift and wheels to go on in the first place. (Edit: Actually, with a 2008 non-rubicon you could regear to 5.13s right away if you've got an auto transmission.)

So potentially after the wheels, the next step is learning what all the components are that I identified in that prior post (if you don't know already), finding them on your jeep, and understanding how they're impacted by the extra height.

Then you've got to start looking at kits. You could build one, but I don't think you're going to find many truly complete 6" kits anyway, so you might as well start with a good kit. I'd look at Full Traction, TeraFlex, Clayton, AEV, Rock Krawler . . . there are others, but that should get you going.

Then you've got to figure out what you'll need to add. I'm going to say that at a minimum driveshafts, rear bumper with tire carrier (if you actually want to keep a spare tire back there), and gears are all going to be needed pretty much right away and aren't going to be included in any lift kit. Longer term issues are going to include axle reinforcement.
Thanks MTH that's helpful I've just have a dream as to what I want my jeep to look like lol and the last project I had to many people talk me out of it do to them saying that it cost to much and it's to much work so in this project I'm sticking to it and not lessoning to people in that regard but on the info side of thing I appreciate your help a lot... I'm hopping that I can stay in contact and get more info and opinions.
Oliver7886 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-24-2012, 09:22 PM   #19
Jeeper
 
WatchThis!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: East Texas
Posts: 4,004
Images: 3
I got all the parts that I knew I was going to want/need B4 I did the lift regear(and a few other mods). It makes a 25k build alot easyer when you spread it out over a years time.

If I could only get someone to pay me 10 bucks an hour for all the studying and planing I did on my build I could probly have payed for most of the build that way.
__________________
I'm here to participate. I didnt come all this way just to watch.

My jeep's thread http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/che...st-111461.html
WatchThis! is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-24-2012, 09:59 PM   #20
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Someplace in Africa
Posts: 3,287
get 37s and a 6" lift with beadlocks and dont let back
pluke the 2 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-24-2012, 10:25 PM   #21
Jeeper
 
Oliver7886's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by pluke the 2
get 37s and a 6" lift with beadlocks and dont let back
Lol I'm diff. going with 37s and a 6" lift but I thank I'm going to stick with some plan aftermarket wheel it just seem like a lot of trouble to maintain the beadlocks from what everyone is saying on here and I don't plan on doing extreme off roading to the point of needing beadlocks I just mainly liked the looks of them but don't know if they were feasible.
Oliver7886 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-24-2012, 10:28 PM   #22
Jeeper
 
Oliver7886's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by WatchThis!
I got all the parts that I knew I was going to want/need B4 I did the lift regear(and a few other mods). It makes a 25k build alot easyer when you spread it out over a years time.

If I could only get someone to pay me 10 bucks an hour for all the studying and planing I did on my build I could probly have payed for most of the build that way.
it's probably going to take me lots of years lol do all of what I want so far... What size lift and tires did you go with?
Oliver7886 is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-24-2012, 10:31 PM   #23
Jeeper
 
WatchThis!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: East Texas
Posts: 4,004
Images: 3
5.5 rockkrawler and 37 km2's

Iv got a thread showing the things Iv done to my jeep in the last year. Id link it but Im on my phone.
__________________
I'm here to participate. I didnt come all this way just to watch.

My jeep's thread http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/che...st-111461.html
WatchThis! is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Old 04-24-2012, 10:38 PM   #24
Jeeper
 
Ballandchain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Richmond, Va
Posts: 1,047
Images: 2
Only people I know who run beadlocks are my buddies who own really big mudbog trucks with an excess of 600hp and can run through a mud pit faster than a Corvette on dry pavement. Actually one has a semi-rock rig and took them off....

__________________
Current:2012 Dozer Sahara Past: 97 4banger x2, 2001 Sport heavily modified, 08 Rubicon. "I'm glad that I'm not like most people. That's because I think most people are stupid." -Me
Ballandchain is offline   Quote Quick Reply
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Jeep Wrangler Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Download our Mobile App

» Featured Product

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:52 PM.



Jeepģ, Wrangler, Liberty, Wagoneer, Cherokee, and Grand Cherokee are copyrighted and trademarked to Chrysler Motors LLC.
Wranglerforum.com is not in any way associated with the Chrysler Motors LLC