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Old 03-25-2012, 01:48 PM   #1
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Is the third brake light mandatory?

I installed a new rear bumper/tire carier and I had to eliminate the stock tire carrier with brake light. Is the third brake light a requirement? I live in California. I would like to have the third light but don't know how I want to go about puting it back.
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Old 03-25-2012, 01:57 PM   #2
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Federal law requires the manufacturer to have it, not the owner.

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Old 03-25-2012, 02:10 PM   #3
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It is better to have it though. Cops may give you crap if it is not working.
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Old 03-25-2012, 02:14 PM   #4
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If its attached it needs to work. Unattached is self explanitory. Mines coming off when I get home from training
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Old 03-25-2012, 02:17 PM   #5
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Relocating mine.
(Thanks to Vasyl for the idea.)

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Old 03-25-2012, 03:31 PM   #6
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Its a safety precaution. IMO not having it can put yourself and others in danger. Do you really want to do that?
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Old 03-25-2012, 03:37 PM   #7
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Relocating mine.
(Thanks to Vasyl for the idea.)

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DID YOU GOT SOME PICS WITH YOUR THIRD BRAKE LIGHT?
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Its a safety precaution. IMO not having it can put yourself and others in danger. Do you really want to do that?
Lol, that is what tail lights are for. Big Gov can pound sand. Third brake lights are useless
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I can honestly say that I never stopped behind another vehicle and was thankful for their third brake light and thought that otherwise I would have crashed into them for sure. They add about as much safety as training wheels on a peddle car.
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i can honestly say that i never stopped behind another vehicle and was thankful for their third brake light and thought that otherwise i would have crashed into them for sure. They add about as much safety as training wheels on a peddle car.
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Old 03-25-2012, 03:50 PM   #11
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I can honestly say that I never stopped behind another vehicle and was thankful for their third brake light and thought that otherwise I would have crashed into them for sure. They add about as much safety as training wheels on a peddle car.
I agree. My 89 YJ never had one. Used to get them everytime at NJ DMV Inspection stations, up until this year when as long as you pass emissions the wheels can be falling off, always had to get a supervisor because in the day a YJ was considered a light truck and was not required to have it like passenger vehicles were beginning in 1986. I think the OP is going to need one to pass in CA.
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Old 03-25-2012, 03:54 PM   #12
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All I can say for myself living in AZ is as long as u drive in the day time (drivers side headlight only for night) brake lights and a drivers side mirror is all they can ticket u for everything else is year dependent 72 and newer you have to wear a seatbelt but not required on the Jeep
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I actually just got a ticket for it the other day

Which was okay in contrast to the speeding 15+ ticket I could've received.
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DID YOU GOT SOME PICS WITH YOUR THIRD BRAKE LIGHT?
Didn't do it yet, but there will be pics when I do.
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Old 03-25-2012, 08:42 PM   #15
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I heard that if it, the third brake light came on your vehicle,, after 1989

You must have it. You cant remove the third brake light.
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Old 03-25-2012, 09:17 PM   #16
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Yes, it's there for a reason and yes it has proven to reduce rear impact crashes. It's real name is a Center High Mounted Stop Lamp ('CHMSL') - Wiki:

Effective with the 1986 model year, the United States National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and Transport Canada mandated that all new passenger cars come equipped with a CHMSL. The requirement was extended to light trucks and vans for the 1994 model year. Early studies involving taxicabs and other fleet vehicles found that a third, high-level stop lamp reduced rear-end collisions by about 50%. Once the novelty effect wore off as most vehicles on the road came to be equipped with the central third stop lamp, the crash-avoidance benefit declined. However, it did not decline to zero, and a CHMSL is so inexpensive to incorporate into a vehicle that it is a cost-effective collision avoidance feature even at the long-term enduring crash-reduction benefit of 4.3%.[73]
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I heard that if it, the third brake light came on your vehicle,, after 1989

You must have it. You cant remove the third brake light.
This is correct. If it comes on the vehicle it the light must be present and will not pass inspection without it. At least in most states from what I have seen, can't speak to all of them. It is best to check your local laws, but generally safety equipment cannot be removed.
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Az no inspections and my tire blocks it all but to lifted trucks ....
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Old 03-26-2012, 05:36 PM   #19
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Or if you do get rear ended,, the guy 's attorney could state you are at half fault too for removing the 3rd light.

Too much BS to deal with. I looked into getting rid of my spare when I got new tires/rims. Researched it some, and thought screw this crap!!!!!!!

They do Look good with out a spare thou. I guess thats why your asking this correct?
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Lol, that is what tail lights are for. Big Gov can pound sand. Third brake lights are useless
I'm in this camp.

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I can honestly say that I never stopped behind another vehicle and was thankful for their third brake light and thought that otherwise I would have crashed into them for sure. They add about as much safety as training wheels on a peddle car.
And this is especially entertaining.

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