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Old 05-23-2011, 11:29 PM   #1
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Question Is this rust?

Hello Jeep friends!!!!!

After asking many local jeep buddies, my question has yet to be answered !!!

Take a look at the following pictures...is any of that orange stuff rust?

I am worried as I did get all the undercoating and rust proofin done...but if this orange stuff is rust...*cocks shotgun*

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Old 05-23-2011, 11:39 PM   #2
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Looks like surface rust to me.
Personally, I would not get stressed about it as it won't have any effect on operation, other than maybe looking a bit crap.
I had Series Land rovers, and they were pretty much the same - I just kept putting black killrust paint on it to keep it covered up, but when I went off road, and the rotating parts hit mud, sand or long grass, the paint all got taken off again.

Its a Jeep (and Land Rover) Thing!

Plus I guess you guys get a lot of salt put on the roads when the snow falls - that doesn't help!

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Simply yes. Several people get upset about it but it want change the fact if you look under any JK that hasn't been painted by someone you will see the exact same thing. They guys that did my gears and gussets painted mine for me nice and black
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Old 05-24-2011, 12:07 AM   #4
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Thanks for the quick response guys!

Aussie Jeepster - my friends basically said what you said...*sigh* but I still have this feeling that the rust is going to eat everything away and it'll all crumble like a cookie crumble cake!!! (She's barely a year old!) And yes, we get an OBSCENE amount of salt layering the street during the winter (you should see the waterfall of spray off those trucks).

Rics1997 - Thought about the paint idea (just so I don't look like someone who doesn't care about their vehicle), but the paint thing is just temporary right?

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Old 05-24-2011, 12:13 AM   #5
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must b a jeep thing
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Thanks for the quick response guys!

Aussie Jeepster - my friends basically said what you said...*sigh* but I still have this feeling that the rust is going to eat everything away and it'll all crumble like a cookie crumble cake!!! (She's barely a year old!) And yes, we get an OBSCENE amount of salt layering the street during the winter (you should see the waterfall of spray off those trucks).

Take a look at how thick the steel is that has the surface rust on it. It will take years to crumble.
Go get a spray pack of black paint and "get even" with the rust. The other stuff I used on my Land Rovers was Fish Oil - it stank like hell for a week or two, but it is a great rust repellent. Spray it on when you have a hot day (you do have hot days up there don't you!), and spray it into the chassis and everywhere you can get it underneath.
Then let it sit a while while the smell fades, and you will have a great antirust solution.
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Looks pretty typical. Does make you wonder what you're paying for when you purchase the 'underbody protection and rustproofing' they always pushing though, doesn't it? I'm sure you will go talk to them about it. Please report back on what they say. I'm sure they will talk their way out of it (or try). I'm curious which excuse they use to absolve themselves of any obligation.
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Looks pretty typical. Does make you wonder what you're paying for when you purchase the 'underbody protection and rustproofing' they always pushing though, doesn't it? I'm sure you will go talk to them about it. Please report back on what they say. I'm sure they will talk their way out of it (or try). I'm curious which excuse they use to absolve themselves of any obligation.
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Take a look at how thick the steel is that has the surface rust on it. It will take years to crumble.
Lol! I was exaggerating (or at least letting my imagination run with what rust could do lol)

Lol...don't know about that fish oil thing tho (I mean I could see it how its oily-ness will repel rust, and people perhaps)...has anyone else tried that?

Was thinking of using Rustoleum spray (thanks JP)... anyone use this stuff before?

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I'd take a close look at the rustproofing warranty to see what it covers, if something that's supposed to be protected is covered in rust I'd have them fix it. For the spindles, driveshafts, etc., you're better off just leaving it alone. If you think it looks bad now, just wait 'till the paint starts flaking off. If the frame, tub, or mounting brackets aren't rusting, don't sweat it.
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The rustoleum reformer would be my choice - and may be shortly as mine looks the same - and I live in sub tropical climates - no sign of salt on the road here! Mind you, it also looked like that the day I got it delivered brand new....
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Thanks guys!

Sheetsd66 - the rust just looks so lame especially when its cleaned up and shiny AND since I haven't even taken it off-roading yet!

SeaComms - I like your display pic lol...so true!

There HAS to be a way to rustproof it 10000% lol (and no, not by seran wrapping it).
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Dave, is that Rustoleum available back in Oz?

I've seen it here in LA, but don't remember seeing back home.
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A can of flat black spray paint for $0.98 will take care of that for you. A black under-body will set your wheels/tires off and make your Jeep look much better. Old used car dealer trick.
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Looking at the pictures, to me, it looks like your hard parts are effected. Not the body. I doubt they would waste the undercoating on those parts as they will probably out last the body even with the undercoating on it.

That having been said, I just picked up a quart can of POR 15 satin black undercoating at $45.00 per quart. This stuff, my auto-body guy here at work claims, will stick permanently to even rusted parts. Wire brush it, degrease it (strong detergent spray brush if necessary) hit it with a hose, let it dry and then apply. I'm going to apply it with a brush. The finish is not critical under the jeep. I think the gloss attracts too much attention. It is not something I want to draw attention to, just want it to look neat and cared for.
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I have a 1970 mustang that I sandblasted the floor pans and painted all the undercarriage parts that were black with por15 that has been at least 5 years ago and no flaking or rust coming back yet. Granted the car is not an everyday driver but I swear by the por15. It's been holding the doors together on my 1998 dodge truck for about 6 years I just pull the door panel and pour some in the pinch weld about every 8 months granted that's all the bottom of the doors is made of now but the truck is black so you can't hardly tell how bad a shape the doors are in!!
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This is great!!! Thank you everyone for sharing suggestions (and diagnosing those photos haha)!

The Por-15 stuff actually looks pretty impressive! Anyone else use this stuff before? Any bad experiences? Cuz it sounds (or looks from the website's before and after photos) a bit too awesome to be true...does anyone have anything bad to say about this product before a I go crazy with this and spray and pray/coat everything underneath my Jeep lol?

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Dave, is that Rustoleum available back in Oz?

I've seen it here in LA, but don't remember seeing back home.
Rustoleum is definately available - son used it to paint his last bike! Not sure on the reformer but will be looking over the next few days. I believe Mitre 10 are a stockist according to one website I read.

Since mine has always bugged me since I got it delivered (looks exactly the same as wranglerlady's pics) I think I will definately be following up on this!
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Will rest converter help? It's a chemical that turns rust gray. Henkel manufactures it, called Turco
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Follow the link to the POR 15 website that wranglerlady gave above. It has some testimony about the converters. Anyway, why treat the rust when you can cover it and make it look like it has armor on it...no more rust.
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Yes. That's the way it starts. I wouldn't worry if you plan on getting rid of it in a few years. However, if you keep it: mine developed into two fist size holes through the body fore & aft the side step, and the tranny skid plate started bending down as it rusted out around the bolts holding it up. I also put in new rear springs...turned to rust in a month...even thought I painted them. Man - could you imagine (even at extra cost) an undercarrige/frame powdercoat at the factory as an option!?!?!?!
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Thats not rust, someone glued old bay to your Jeep.
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Is there anything underneath there that should be avoided when painting it? Mine is a mint old, would be a perfect time to get on this now!
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with the exception of the axle pig cover (that needs some paint) the parts that are showing rust are the casted ones. Like cast iron, its hardened steel cast solid. It would probably take a hundred years or more for a casted part to rust away. It does not rust and crumble like rolled sheet steel does (body parts) it just gets a coat of surface rust that is harmless.

Do you have or have you ever used cast iron pans? If the oil wears off them they will start to rust like that. It is important to keep the pans with a little bit of cooking oil on them all the time to prevent that.

But yeah, casted parts are thick as hell, absolutely nothing to worry about. OH, I would drip some oil into the rusty threads of the ball joints or wipe grease on them. That way they do not give grief when they need to be removed and changed further down the road.
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The best thing I have found for rust is Hydraulic Fluid, it penatrates into the tightest
crevices where paint and heavier fluids will not go, it also displaces water. Just keep it off any brake parts. It also will not hurt your paint, you can research this on the web.
You will need to aply twice a year for good service.
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Lol...I was so busy these last couple of weeks that I totally forgot about this post (and the rust lol!)

Thank you for the last couple of people who posted here though!

It'd be cool to see some before and after pics if anyone took up any of the above de-rusting suggestions!

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All the cast iron parts on my Liberty did the same thing, and it's garaged. It would take centuries for those cast iron parts to rot out, but it does look crappy.
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The parts pictured accept the diff cover (and maybe even that) are never under coated like the tub and frame.
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This is great!!! Thank you everyone for sharing suggestions (and diagnosing those photos haha)!

The Por-15 stuff actually looks pretty impressive! Anyone else use this stuff before? Any bad experiences? Cuz it sounds (or looks from the website's before and after photos) a bit too awesome to be true...does anyone have anything bad to say about this product before a I go crazy with this and spray and pray/coat everything underneath my Jeep lol?

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POR-15 is great stuff. I did the entire under body of my old Mustang and it turned out great and stopped any rust in its tracks.
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This is great!!! Thank you everyone for sharing suggestions (and diagnosing those photos haha)!

The Por-15 stuff actually looks pretty impressive! Anyone else use this stuff before? Any bad experiences? Cuz it sounds (or looks from the website's before and after photos) a bit too awesome to be true...does anyone have anything bad to say about this product before a I go crazy with this and spray and pray/coat everything underneath my Jeep lol?

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Wear gloves and work neatly, because it will stain your skin and no matter what you do it will not come off until your skin wears off. I used it over 20 years ago and it had to be top coated then maybe the formula has changed but it didn't like uv exposure back then.

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