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Old 07-12-2012, 08:48 AM   #1
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Jeep and Puddles

Why is it that when I hit a puddle at a low speed my jeep feels like its going to lose control. I've never had this feeling any of my cars....is it because of the bigger tires? While driving on the freeway it felt like it was going to drift out of control.....freeway was wet but wasn't that bad. I have 285/70/17 Nittos.....not lifted.

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Whats "low speed"
Youre probably hydroplaning

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Whats "low speed"
Youre probably hydroplaning
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which nitto tires are you running? if they are an aggresive off road tread, they may not do well on the highway. wider off road tires have a little road envy anyways and drift...

your jeep is never going to handle like a car. its a jeep...
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Whats the problem? He asked why hes losing control going through puddles at a low speed. I asked what a low speed was; 10mph is slow in a neighborhood. 25mph is slow on the road. If you crawl through a puddle at like 10 it sure shouldnt make you lose control. If youre going 45mph on the highway then you hit a puddle, youre going to hydroplane
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I Definitely know what he's talking about. Mine does it too. The large tires and deeper off road tread really catch the water, it's almost like snagging something. It's really bad If you have your sway bar off ;-) usually this happens in speeds of around 30mph or faster. I would say its normal because of the tire. Best bet is to hit puddles equally with both tires or avoid them if you are going fast.
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Whats the problem? He asked why hes losing control going through puddles at a low speed. I asked what a low speed was; 10mph is slow in a neighborhood. 25mph is slow on the road. If you crawl through a puddle at like 10 it sure shouldnt make you lose control. If youre going 45mph on the highway then you hit a puddle, youre going to hydroplane
x2 = i was agreeing with you

= i was confused by "low speed puddle pull" as well

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I will say that my 12.50" wide DuraTracs "pull" a bit on dry pavement if there is a dip or rut in the road. I don't have issues in the rain/puddles though.
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x2 = i was agreeing with you

= i was confused by "low speed puddle pull" as well


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Of Course it probably doesn't help that I have a 4" lift with 35's and a stock steering stabilizer..... It's up next for change out.....
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It's because the vehicle has solid axles front and rear. So whatever happens to one tire happens to the other one too. If a patch of standing water grabs the left front, the right front is going along for the ride also.

You've just discovered why there were rumors that the JK would have IFS when details started being talked about back in 2005. And in 2015 when plans are being talked about more for the 2017 all-new Wrangler, IFS will once again be a topic of debate.

The TCS doesn't help things either. I hit standing water in my 2011 JKU and the TCS system took over control of the vehicle and nearly pulled me into a concrete raised median..which would have resulted in a crash. Computerized TCS does not belong on a Jeep.
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Here is a question, is there a way to make the default setting "off" for the TCS? I know we have the switch but I never remember to turn it off....
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I Definitely know what he's talking about. Mine does it too. The large tires and deeper off road tread really catch the water, it's almost like snagging something. It's really bad If you have your sway bar off ;-) usually this happens in speeds of around 30mph or faster. I would say its normal because of the tire. Best bet is to hit puddles equally with both tires or avoid them if you are going fast.

Why would you have your swaybars disconnected at 30mph?
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I didn't hydroplane but my puddle ended up being a 5' washout :-(
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Why would you have your swaybars disconnected at 30mph?
Just coming back from playing off road. Sometimes I just forget to put my links back.
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I didn't hydroplane but my puddle ended up being a 5' washout :-(
Crazy! Did it hydro lock?
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Just coming back from playing off road. Sometimes I just forget to put my links back.
I'm sure the "special handling" gives you a quick reminder!
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Crazy! Did it hydro lock?
Not really but I was against a 90 degree bank an couldn't be pulled out that night, broke the winch cable on the tow truck. The next day had to be lifted out by a boom truck.
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Crazy! Did it hydro lock?
The motor did lock and die. Jeep was totaled. If the dash goes under water in Fl it is an instant total.
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Sheesh sorry to hear that..... What an epic "puddle" though! ......
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I hit puddles at different speeds....5mph - 25mph.....When I drive on freeway...I drive like a Grandpa....worried about losing control.....What a shame...... such a big tuff vehicle and I have to drive it so carefully.
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I'm sure the "special handling" gives you a quick reminder!
Bleh, my Jeeping area is like a mile down the road, so if it's pouring outside I sometimes "forget" on purpose. ;-) the handling doesn't really bother me for short trips like that. I wouldn't really want to go on any long trips though!
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I hit puddles at different speeds....5mph - 25mph.....When I drive on freeway...I drive like a Grandpa....worried about losing control.....What a shame...... such a big tuff vehicle and I have to drive it so carefully.
Coming from an 03 Z06 vette.... I've accepted that I will be passed on interstates, it was hard at first... But I've come to terms with it
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Not really but I was against a 90 degree bank an couldn't be pulled out that night, broke the winch cable on the tow truck. The next day had to be lifted out by a boom truck.
So it survived?
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So it survived?
No, I am sure there are guys thy could fix it but I am not nearly mechanically inclined enough for that. Allstate totaled it, gave me more than I paid for my Arctic an I got a good deal on a MW3 Rubi. All in all I hate that I totaled a vehicle but it all worked out. BTW anyone with a new rig. Allstate doesn't BS they give you full value if totaled in first 2 years of brand new car ownership. They gave me right between invoice and MSRP and another $2500 for taxes and tag/title. I originally paid about 1-2% under invoice and they didn't even care what I paid, refunded on value. That was 1000% better then I thought would happen.
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No, I am sure there are guys thy could fix it but I am not nearly mechanically inclined enough for that. Allstate totaled it, gave me more than I paid for my Arctic an I got a good deal on a MW3 Rubi. All in all I hate that I totaled a vehicle but it all worked out. BTW anyone with a new rig. Allstate doesn't BS they give you full value if totaled in first 2 years of brand new car ownership. They gave me right between invoice and MSRP and another $2500 for taxes and tag/title. I originally paid about 1-2% under invoice and they didn't even care what I paid, refunded on value. That was 1000% better then I thought would happen.
nice to hear that the insurance company squared you away! i've been with USAA for quite some time now, haven't needed them in that capacity... but i hope if i ever do, they'll square me away...
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:14 PM   #29
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Totally off-topic at this point, but I've actually noticed that car insurers in general have gotten much better over the years. I think it must be due to the internet and the crazy amount of competition it creates in the business. Geico and esurance have driven prices down about as low as they can get, so companies like Allstate have to compensate by actually honoring their contracts with customers... Just a hunch. But anecdotally, it seems like I hear a lot fewer car insurance horror stories than I used to.

Long personal story: I was involved in an accident a little while ago- two cars had a head-on collision and one of them veered off and tapped my front bumper before spinning into a ditch. (I was stopped at a light at the time). My front bumper was scratched up but I didn't care too much about it- I stuck around to give a statement for the police report because one of the cars was very clearly at fault. Anyway, the at-fault guy's insurer (I believe he was with Geico, actually) kept calling me, asking me to take my truck in for a repair estimate so they could compensate me. I kept telling him that it was no big deal (honestly, the hassle of taking my truck in seemed like it wouldn't have been worth what I thought would be a negligible payout). Eventually the insurer just cut me a check for $500, even though I had never contacted them or even returned their calls. And I wasn't even their client! Pretty amazing.

Edit: There are, of course, still terrible insurers and horror stories out there- just saying IMO they seem to be getting better over time.
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