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Old 07-24-2012, 06:34 PM   #31
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2010 2 door Sahara Stock drove above my expectations;
2nd stage= went to leveling kit and 33's; no change, still drove great
3rd stage= 2 1/2 RK max travel and 37's, still great, even on our deeply rutted hiways here in oil boom country!!
Check your alignment and caster.

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OP: My own 08JK stock running gear is absolutely a pleasure to steer....none of what you describe.

I've had a raft of (what now has become 'vintage') sports cars & high end luxury sedans, along with really great pick ups over the years. While better ride, handling, etc etc, the basic "steering" issue in all of them were very similar....no jitter/wander/etc. Take hands off wheel and pretty much keep heading down the same lane...although eventually there would be a gradual peel-off to the side from all of them, depending on road conditions.

I *did* have a Jeep that was a PITA to herd it down the road, as you describe, but it was a 54 Willys Overland, and that was one of it's endearing qualities.

In my searching for a suitable new-era Wrangler, over nearly a year I drove close to 2 dozen different new & not so new Jeeps....some of which were damn scary and a few which simply were wandering beasts.

Notably, most of that bunch all had large tires & lifts. As I recall, none of the stock machines had any steering issues. If my own beloved Sahara even hinted of such, either I'd go into cataclysmic shock or rue the day I ever saw it. I think *yours* has some kind of issue that needs fixing by a Jeep qualified front end mechanic who knows what he's doing.

Good luck on resolving the problem.

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What type of driving do you typically do... offroad or mostly highway? Were the lift & tires for aesthetics or function? What 33" tires are you running? What do you consider to be a long trip?

I agree with others that at least a check of the alignment is needed.

My stock '12 JKU Sahara drives just as I expected... the steering architecture causes the occasional pull on uneven pavement or linear lane-separating cracks in the road, but it drives exceptionally well and tracks very straight on the interstate and quite comfortable even driving straight through for 1500 miles in 24 hours only stopping for gas.

I've driven mine over the Sunshine Skyway Bridge in rather windy conditions and hardly felt like I was being blown around at all. The type of tire you're running, compounded with a possible alignment issue is likely causing your situation.
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my 12 JKU gives me more steering trouble than my 08 ever did. I have BFGs on it, had em mounted and installed at the dealership, they had it at over 40lbs a tire. Cut them down and its better but still likes to stray some. I am down to 35 going to try cutting them to 32.

It really drives fine up to around 60, its when I start cranking around 75 on the highway it drifts pretty good. Think it has a lot to do with driving a box at 75 than anything! I havent really tested it too much but I think it holds much straighter with the doors and tops off, less resistance probably

I did take it to the dealership and complain about the floating and they said they adjusted something and it helped out some.
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my 12 JKU gives me more steering trouble than my 08 ever did. I have BFGs on it, had em mounted and installed at the dealership, they had it at over 40lbs a tire. Cut them down and its better but still likes to stray some. I am down to 35 going to try cutting them to 32.

It really drives fine up to around 60, its when I start cranking around 75 on the highway it starts drifting pretty good. Think it has a lot to do with driving a box at 75 than anything! I havent really tested it too much but I think it holds much straighter with the doors and tops off, less resistance probably

I did take it to the dealership and complain about the floating and they said they adjusted something and it helped out some.
I wonder If anybody has added LCA's to increase caster on a stock jeep?
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:15 AM   #36
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You need to have the alignment checked.

#1 what is your caster? Low caster will
Def cause your problem.
Fix- adjustable control arms.

#2 toe in. Shouldn't of changed but worth checking.

#3 should be #1 air pressure?
Edit: 32 is ok for that size.
X2! (I just answered another post just like this one.) The more you lift them the more you are getting away from the intended caster!
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I can let go of my steering wheel and be straight as an arrow, i mean DEAD straight. my brother which is an avid BMW guy loves my jeep and sais over and over how easy it is to dive.

Granted if your comparing the two your Apples and Rocks, most purchase jeeps for its capabilities (like me) others purchase it for "looks" and expect it to drive like a BMW and thats where it ends. I dont believe cherokees should even have a jeep badge on it My brother is trying to get out of his lease and into a jeep beacuase he loves how "raw" it is, i think your finding that your not an unrefined guy. My brother on the other hand is finding hes not a "refined" guy...

Granted i do think something is wrong with yours but you made a complete 180 out of a x3 into a Jeep. get your alighnment checked, your supposed to have it done after any type of wheel/suspension work IE lift. and narrow it down.

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I hope you're joking about the Cherokee comment. An xj goes out with us routinely and it's far from incapable. Granted I haven't seen any new ones up close lately but the Cherokee can definitely hold its own.
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I have a 2012 JKU purchased 5/1/2012. This is my 1st Wrangler. Over the years I have had many different vehicles. The Wrangler handles fine, much better than I expected. It handles better than a recent Crown Vic rental I had. Now that car floated all over the road.

It sounds like both of you came from high performance top of the line handling vehicles to Wranglers. Any live axel vehicle is going to handle worse, heck the Wrangler has 2 axels.

You may have an alignment, wheel or suspension issue because mine (stock by the way) handles well on & off the highway. Is it a sports car? No. Is it worse than other trucks or SUVs, no and in some cases it is better.
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i dunno what the hell ur driving. my jk 2012 is just fine. it does need a little bit of correction. but u make it sound like its a nightmare.
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Advice from a newb

I have driven several 12's this year on test drives and never encountered what you are experiencing. Your modification is probably at fault. Just to be sure. Go to the dealer, explain your situation to a saleman (quickly, so as not to take up too much of their time) and ask if you could go on a test drive for 10 minutes to compare your's with an unmodified jeep. If the unmodified jeep is better, then I think you have your answer.
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I had a tuff time trying to keep her between the lines, added adj. LCA`s to increase caster to +5 and now she handles like a CAD. (well almost)
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Try 28 psi in the tires.
Speaking of tires what 33's do you have? Tires will make a huge difference.
I drove an 2011 that the local dealer was lifted with the 35" mudders and thought it was scary too. Would never put my 16 year old in THAT Jeep and send him down the highway at 55. But I have the 2.5 Teraflex BB on mine with 33" duratracs at 28psi and think it is a great driving vehicle. My son and wife drive it and we all think it drives great.
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I took the Jeep to get an alignment late yesterday but the shop was unable to do the work. They had difficulty mounting the equipment onto the wheels.

So no alignment done.

The problem was there before I lifted and added the bigger wheels. Actually, I test drove the JKU my brother got on the same dayI I bought mine and it handled equally bad. I suspect the shitty nature of the Jeep handling was exacerbated by adding a lift and bigger tires.

Why I still went ahead with the purchase? I'm still trying to answer that.

I think that this how they are. Maybe I have too high expectation from an off road vehicle with an archaic suspension design. I think it is not fair to compare it to the X3 I traded. Two different vehicles. I wish it drove better at 70 MPH.
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Try 28 psi in the tires.
Speaking of tires what 33's do you have? Tires will make a huge difference.
I drove an 2011 that the local dealer was lifted with the 35" mudders and thought it was scary too. Would never put my 16 year old in THAT Jeep and send him down the highway at 55. But I have the 2.5 Teraflex BB on mine with 33" duratracs at 28psi and think it is a great driving vehicle. My son and wife drive it and we all think it drives great.
Nitto Terra Grapplers, 285/70/17. I forgot to mess with the tire pressure.
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I'm gonna go with alignment also for starters, I have a JK but she drives like a champ at 80mph, I think it's the preferred speed for my Jeep. I too let a little air out from 35 to 31 and it doesn't 'jump' around as much going over bumps. I hate the sensor light being on so I only air down more than that when off roading. Now if I brake while going over bumps she jumps all over the place, I don't mind at all it's a fun ass ride. I guess you either love it or you don't! Oh I have a 2.5 lift with 33's also so should be a close comparison in the ride.
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I just checked the tire pressure using the built-in gauge on a portable air compressor and it read 40 psi. Yikes. The max for those tires is 35psi according to the lettering on the sidewall. The tires are load bearing C, I believe. I dropped it to 32. Will see how it drives later today.

Damn Midas told me they were right at 32psi.
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By the way, I appreciate all the feedback and recommendations. Tells a lot about the Jeep community. In a very good way. I hope I can solve my problem and keep my Zombie Outbreak Vehicle.
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The X3 is a big car with AWD so if you were comparing that to the Jeep I think you've just found your problem. If you drove another Jeep and experienced the same thing then I think the answer is the one you told everyone not to give you "Its a......"

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I think that this how they are. Maybe I have too high expectation from an off road vehicle with an archaic suspension design. I think it is not fair to compare it to the X3 I traded. Two different vehicles. I wish it drove better at 70 MPH.
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I just checked the tire pressure using the built-in gauge on a portable air compressor and it read 40 psi. Yikes. The max for those tires is 35psi according to the lettering on the sidewall. The tires are load bearing C, I believe. I dropped it to 32. Will see how it drives later today.

Damn Midas told me they were right at 32psi.
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I took the Jeep to get an alignment late yesterday but the shop was unable to do the work. They had difficulty mounting the equipment onto the wheels.

So no alignment done.

The problem was there before I lifted and added the bigger wheels. Actually, I test drove the JKU my brother got on the same dayI I bought mine and it handled equally bad. I suspect the shitty nature of the Jeep handling was exacerbated by adding a lift and bigger tires.

Why I still went ahead with the purchase? I'm still trying to answer that.

I think that this how they are. Maybe I have too high expectation from an off road vehicle with an archaic suspension design. I think it is not fair to compare it to the X3 I traded. Two different vehicles. I wish it drove better at 70 MPH.
Unfortunately no matter what you do it's going to feel a little wild at 70. For the exact reason you stated. Hopefully for you it's something u can get used to. If its any consolation jk's do handle much better than any previous model. Max speed on my tj with its lift and tires was about 65 without just plain being dangerous.

I'm used to it bc of the nature of every vehicle I've had but I can see where it it wouldn't feel right if your used to it.
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I took the Jeep to get an alignment late yesterday but the shop was unable to do the work. They had difficulty mounting the equipment onto the wheels.

So no alignment done.

The problem was there before I lifted and added the bigger wheels. Actually, I test drove the JKU my brother got on the same dayI I bought mine and it handled equally bad. I suspect the shitty nature of the Jeep handling was exacerbated by adding a lift and bigger tires.

Why I still went ahead with the purchase? I'm still trying to answer that.

I think that this how they are. Maybe I have too high expectation from an off road vehicle with an archaic suspension design. I think it is not fair to compare it to the X3 I traded. Two different vehicles. I wish it drove better at 70 MPH.
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It sounds like you should try the SRT-8 Jeep Grand Cherokee. I had a 2006 Magnum SRT-8. That station wagon was awesome! I doubt either would be good off road but it sounds like you primarly drive on the highway. Also they are not the ulitimate convertibe either.
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"Unfortunately no matter what you do it's going to feel a little wild at 70"

not true. my jk handles excellent at those speeds with 3" of lift and 35" all terrain tires. the alignment is not necessary...there is nothing for them to adjust. listen to kjeeper and lower the psi to 28-30. buy either adjustable upper control arms up front, or AEV Geometry correction control arm brackets for $99. They say they are for 2.5" to 4.5" of lift, but u can still use them with 2" no problem. they will increase your caster and that is what will keep u straight on the highway at high speed.

my best advice to u is to loose the budget boost crap and get an AEV suspension kit. when handling is of major concern they are the ONLY choice. you will have awesome road manners as well as very capable off road suspension.. get a 2.5" dualsport kit and buy the optional control arm brackets I mentioned. it will dramatically reduce body roll as well and brake dive. the new coils are awesome and it comes with matched bilstein shocks. cannot go wrong here. i'm running this and it's the ish. no one ever complains about handling with their kits.
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"Unfortunately no matter what you do it's going to feel a little wild at 70"

not true. my jk handles excellent at those speeds with 3" of lift and 35" all terrain tires. the alignment is not necessary...there is nothing for them to adjust. listen to kjeeper and lower the psi to 28-30. buy either adjustable upper control arms up front, or AEV Geometry correction control arm brackets for $99. They say they are for 2.5" to 4.5" of lift, but u can still use them with 2" no problem. they will increase your caster and that is what will keep u straight on the highway at high speed.

my best advice to u is to loose the budget boost crap and get an AEV suspension kit. when handling is of major concern they are the ONLY choice. you will have awesome road manners as well as very capable off road suspension.. get a 2.5" dualsport kit and buy the optional control arm brackets I mentioned. it will dramatically reduce body roll as well and brake dive. the new coils are awesome and it comes with matched bilstein shocks. cannot go wrong here. i'm running this and it's the ish. no one ever complains about handling with their kits.
Agree.

70-even 90 my jeep drives pretty good. Eats bumps up, tracks straight and no Bumpsteer at these speeds.

For me it's the bumpy city roads at slower speeds that suck. Jeep kicks around and steering wheel jerks. Man hole covers are harsh. Hopefully a drag link flip/highsteer kit helps

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I just had my 08 JKU on the highway and cruised at 70-75 for quite a while while saying "look ma no hands!" I've got the TF leveling kit, 18/59 springs with red "rubi" shocks and 285/70R17's on stock rims... I am also a two time (8 years combined Wrangler owner...)
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In my experience when i chose to change factory specs such as a lift, larger tires or any other suspension changes then that is when i had problems with driving and handling. I had this experience on jeeps and 4x4 trucks. My 12 Stock Rubicon with the Mw3 package handles and rides and drives great. I have never had it over 75 mph but have not had any problems with it. Now if i want to compare it to my corvette grand sport then the handling and drive is not nearly as good as i have with the vette.
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I generally agree. The handling & on road manners of the JK are awful.


That said I still love it. It's just all in comparison. It's my first non-sport car (I'm coming most recently from a Z4 & M3). It feels like it wanders even when you are holding the wheel straight/steady.
I had a X3 loaner a few days ago & could really tell the difference. It's a stark contrast.
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Agree.

70-even 90 my jeep drives pretty good. Eats bumps up, tracks straight and no Bumpsteer at these speeds.

For me it's the bumpy city roads at slower speeds that suck. Jeep kicks around and steering wheel jerks. Man hole covers are harsh. Hopefully a drag link flip/highsteer kit helps

It's a JEEP right?
the flip kit will solve the bumpsteer issue. just make sure you are sitting high enough to use it. i had a touch of bumpsteer but it is solved after centering my axle with the JKS Trackbar and adding a bilstein ss. i also am running the aev brackets but i use the 3.5" hole since my 2.5" kit yielded alittle extra height on my 2-door. i have plenty of caster now and it handles very well. the op needs to address psi and caster, problem solved. 40 psi is gonna give him a herniated disc....lol
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Just FYI, my jeeps handling from the factory was crap. It never drove good from the get go. But you can improve factory characteristics by adding after market components. As the previous posters mention, do not start at the modified parts until you go through the basics first.

Start at knowing that you have a proper alignment. Know your numbers, check your caster and ask a technician or figure out how to measure whether your axles are centered or not.

I would avoid doing a draglink flip at under 3" of lift for many reasons... I'm not going to go into that. So make sure your alignment is good, toe-in then see where your caster is at and verify how far off centered your axles are...

Return to us and let us know if we can further assist you. But I guarantee with your lift and tires it should be as easy as the above.
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Just FYI, my jeeps handling from the factory was crap. It never drove good from the get go. But you can improve factory characteristics by adding after market components. As the previous posters mention, do not start at the modified parts until you go through the basics first.

Start at knowing that you have a proper alignment. Know your numbers, check your caster and ask a technician or figure out how to measure whether your axles are centered or not.

I would avoid doing a draglink flip at under 3" of lift for many reasons... I'm not going to go into that. So make sure your alignment is good, toe-in then see where your caster is at and verify how far off centered your axles are...

Return to us and let us know if we can further assist you. But I guarantee with your lift and tires it should be as easy as the above.
Cool, thanks for the ideas.

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