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Old 09-04-2010, 06:19 AM   #1
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This has probably been covered 1000x's over, but since I'm totally new to Jeeps in general, I'm hoping to get a free pass.

I've liked Wranglers since I was a kid, but never gave consideration to sitting one in my driveway, that is, until now. I'm a sports car fan, but I'm thinking it may be time for a change. My wife and I have become quite the active, outdoorsy type people, and I want a practical vehicle that can haul our crap, plus we won't be afraid to get dirty.

I like extreme, so the only Jeep I'm even considering is the Rubicon; nothing wrong with the non-Rubicons, but I figure if I'm going to get a Jeep, I'm getting the top of the line Wrangler model.

I've done some reading up on them, and I was just hoping some of you could answer some basic questions.

1. Is the 3.8L engine reliable, and how many miles do you have on yours?

2. Is the manual transmission reliable? Is the automatic transmission reliable?

3. How much does it cost you to fill the gas tank, and how many mpg do you average? How many miles per tank do you get?

4. Can the interior (seats, floor) be hosed out when they get dirty, and if so, does the interior clean up well?

5. What is the average price paid for a Rubicon?

6. Has Chrysler been good about covering warranty issues, or is it a fight every time something needs to be done?

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Research it and yes the interior is easily cleaned dude.
go to http://www.jeep.com and build your own and see what it costs

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I like extreme, so the only Jeep I'm even considering is the Rubicon; nothing wrong with the non-Rubicons, but I figure if I'm going to get a Jeep, I'm getting the top of the line Wrangler model.
Good idea; the other models aren't xxxxtreme and spend their days at the mall.




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1. Is the 3.8L engine reliable, and how many miles do you have on yours?
Mine has over 68,000 miles and hasn't had any problems.

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2. ...Is the automatic transmission reliable?
My trans overheats when I'm pulling my trailer sometimes.
Pull over and let it cool down. Pain in the arse that I'd like to remedy with an auxiliary trans cooler.



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3. How much does it cost you to fill the gas tank, and how many mpg do you average? How many miles per tank do you get?
18.6 gallons times the price per gallon....

We did a roadtrip when it was stock and averaged almost 21 mpg. We went from Georgia to northern Alberta, wheeled the Rockies from Jasper to RMNP. Got 3 tankfuls at almost 27 mpg.

Now that it's lifted, has 4.56 gears, bumpers, winch, 33s ---- a good day in 4-low will return about 11 mpg.
I'm getting a little over 16 around town with an easy foot on the skinny pedal.

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4. Can the interior (seats, floor) be hosed out when they get dirty, and if so, does the interior clean up well?
My YesEssentials seats clean up very well. It has drain plugs if you feel like using your hose; I've never been compelled to do that though.

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5. What is the average price paid for a Rubicon?
If you can't talk your way below invoice, you're not trying hard enough.

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6. Has Chrysler been good about covering warranty issues, or is it a fight every time something needs to be done?
Chrysler only weighs-in if there's a dispute with the dealer. Some dealers are warranty and mod-friendly, some aren't.
Mod at your own risk. Caveat emptor. etc.

There are other ways to get there besides a Jeep; but why?



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Research it and yes the interior is easily cleaned dude.
go to Official Jeep Site - 4x4 SUV, Sport Utility Vehicle and build your own and see what it costs
But that still doesn't tell me what the average owner paid for one.

I have done that, and I'm left scratching my head about why I can only get a black Rubicon with a dual top option.
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Thanks for the help, everyone. I think as a cost-saving measure and normally less issues overall than an automatic, I'd probably opt for the manual.

Now, I have another question, and I'm probably just being pretentious...

With the new 2011 models debuting with an interior update and some new "minor" features, would you personally opt for a great deal on 2010 model or go straight for the 2011?
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If you are planning on doing anybwheeling with it you would be better off with the automatic tranny. Adding a aux cooler is nonbig deal.
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If you are planning on doing anybwheeling with it you would be better off with the automatic tranny. Adding a aux cooler is nonbig deal.
Wouldn't the manual be better for off-roading? A lot of slippage would cause the transmission to eventually overheat, even if I had a cooler, wouldn't it?
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Wouldn't the manual be better for off-roading? A lot of slippage would cause the transmission to eventually overheat, even if I had a cooler, wouldn't it?
No, a manual is not better offroad and and auto will not overheat with a cooler.
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x2 on the automatic. Yes I have heard that there is a concern with the fluid getting hot, but just get a cooler and you will never have that problem. They are cheap and I bought mine for $50 and my last tranny had 250,000 miles on it before that light pole jumped out in front of it. There are tons of posts on why the auto is better than the manual. I know you are a sports car guy and so am I, Porsche, but an auto really does make more sense for off roading when it gets steep.
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Check out edmunds.com for pricing, msrp, and what other are paying for the Jeep you want in your area. It gives a lot of great information and lets you pick all the options you want with the trim too.
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No, a manual is not better offroad and and auto will not overheat with a cooler.
This is a matter of opinion and not fact. Many prefer automatic for rock crawling, however the JK has a no stall feature. You can crawl in 4Lo standing on the brake and not stall.
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Price wise I paid about $28,000 for my 08 Rubi. Was going for $35 or so. Bought it Dec of 08 so im sure it was at the dealer for a bit.
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No, a manual is not better offroad and and auto will not overheat with a cooler.
Lets not start this again! Auto or manual it's completely a choice of preference, out here a manual is better because of all the steep hill/mountain climbs and descents, but with the problems associated with the junky newer Chrysler Automatic transmissions I'd have to say get a manual. Plus have you ever had to pay for an auto tranny rebuild? It's nuts how much more it is compared to a manual. As for Chrysler/dealer warranty, if it was an option to pass on the warranty to shave $10,000 off the price of a jeep I would opt for it. As for the 2011 Jeeps, they are not much more than a Minivan with 4wd, if you are planning to go off road at all I suggest 1998-2010 and thats a stretch for me cause I hate the new JK's.
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I am very happy with my jeep I have had three so far and none have failed me. They are very good with the whole warranty. Had to take my 2010 rubi for a recall due to the trani heating up but they fixed it haven't had a problem since but haven't had to haul to many things. As far as gas mileage goes it's a jeep your going to get decent mileage I get about 18 and that's going about 75-80 mph on the highway and 10-14 depends how I feel that day ahaha. But I will never go off the beaten path and get any other car again had a 2008 ford expedition for several years and hated it. Well this concludes my post happy hunting
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Okay, whoa, let's stop right here. I'm not interested in starting a "manual vs. automatic" pissing match here. All I'm looking for are some opinions from both sides of the fence. In the end, it will obviously be a choice I will need to make myself, but I just want some information to take into consideration to make it easier to weigh my options.

Being an automotive enthusiast, I hear things, and some of those things that I've heard are regarding a lot of problems with Chrysler's automatic transmissions. Chrysler has developed quite a negative reputation regarding their automatics. Even so, I'm willing to weigh the automatic as an option, in hopes that I did have any issues that Chrysler would step up to the plate and cover issues if they would arise. As for Chrysler's manuals, I haven't heard anything about them, one way or another.

It's doubtful that I will ever rock-climb, but I do have every intention of bringing it off road; fields, steep hills, mud, streams, etc. I'd much prefer to do everything with it that it's made for, but rock-climbing will more than likely never happen.

I don't plan on towing with it. While the wife and I will probably get it wet and muddy inside from some future outdoors activities (kayaking, tubing, etc.), it will mainly be carrying two bikes by the way of a hitch, so a hitch is something I'm certainly interested in.

Maybe by providing some information as for what I'm going to be using it for, it would provide some insight for as to which way would be the better way for me to go, automatic or manual.
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I can tell you this much. If you buy a new vehicle, and its a lemon. Be prepared to go to private arbitration against chrystler motor corp to either get your money back or a replacement. Back in 07 I decided i wanted to be an idiot an buy a brand new jeep liberty. Think was in the shop 33 times in a year for starting and stalling issues, dealer had no fix. 6 months later went to arbitration against chrystler and won.
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The automatic is programmed with shiftpoints that are biased toward providing peak MPG figures on a nice long/flat stretch of highway at 55 mph; they don't work well in the real world. Be prepared to hate the autotrans if you use it in hilly terrain.

I've got a Superchips Flashpaq and 4.56 gears in mine with 33" tires ---- it is a completely different ride.

Personally, I'd grab a steal on a 2010. Go to Edmunds and pay about 1% below invoice; wait for the end of September and get the factory incentives too.
The Pentastar might be worth waiting for but not anything that's on the initial 2011s.
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The automatic is programmed with shiftpoints that are biased toward providing peak MPG figures on a nice long/flat stretch of highway at 55 mph; they don't work well in the real world. Be prepared to hate the autotrans if you use it in hilly terrain.

I've got a Superchips Flashpaq and 4.56 gears in mine with 33" tires ---- it is a completely different ride.

Personally, I'd grab a steal on a 2010. Go to Edmunds and pay about 1% below invoice; wait for the end of September and get the factory incentives too.
The Pentastar might be worth waiting for but not anything that's on the initial 2011s.
The Pentastar is the new 3.6L with the 290 hp, right? I thought about that and asked myself why the Pentastar hasn't found its way into the Wrangler for the 2011 season. A lot of automotive sources comment how the 3.8L is sluggish and underpowered, but I never saw a jeep as a dragster. While I didn't get a chance to take the 2010 I drove out on the freeway, I obviously did take it out on some local roads, and got up to about 55-60 mph. While it didn't feel like a race car, I didn't see where the acceleration was all that horrible.

I think we all like to have the latest and greatest when it comes to things, especially power in our vehicles, but I can't help but to debate with myself whether I would want to chance a totally new engine, or go with something tried and true. The "better part" of my brain tells me I should wait a few years on a new engine and see what happens in terms of reliability, but then there's the other side of my brain that would love nothing more than to have the additional power. Finally, there's the subject of gas mileage. I'm sure this new Pentastar will have better gas mileage ratings than what the 3.8L does, plus the additional power. In this day and age, while I don't want to sound like a cheapskate, I gotta be concerned with gas mileage, too. I've pretty much accepted the fact there are going to be some trade-offs, regardless of the decision I make.
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Well I got a 2010 rubicon in march and some of my reasons were the extras; front dana 44, bfg mt/r's, 4.10 gears, lockers, elec disco etc. I bought mine in march and have yet to use the last two features, however I plan to have this jeep for a long time and will be traveling to places like Rausch Creek etc and I like having these features already there with a factory warranty to boot. I wasn't going to get a rubicon or even a new jeep for that matter but I felt the deal I was getting was too good to pass up, plus the jeeps in general, especially the Rubicon, have very high resale value. Check out prices on 2-3 year old rubcons with 20k miles; they still are sitting around 30k. I paid 33k out the door for mine and that included the dual top group, nav/u connect, auto etc.
My auto has had a few issues but back to the delaer it went and it's "better". An aux cooler is in my near future as well as a flash pac. I have added a hitch for under $60 bucks as I pull a trailer and also mountain bike.
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I just did a "FACT finding" thread on here last week, asking folks who ACTUALLY OPERATE the 3.8 if they have any problems with the engine cuz I'm dreaming about going from my TJ to a JK.

There are NO complaints from anybody. A couple of 'em burn more oil that they oughta. The complaints that did come back were the "lack of power" to the road....but automotive magazines testing showed the 3.8 powered 4dr JK weighing 4600 pounds OUTPERFORMED the 4.0 powered TJ at 2100 pounds. So the "lack of power" seems hard to support. But I'm still eagerly learning. Consumer Reports likes the 3.8.

What DOES seem to be a problem is COOLING the engine in a JK. LOTS of folks are reporting that the "new" cooling is just inadequate. Some say that they've even added electric fans, and it still get hot.

I havent observed any of this first hand. Its just what folks who drive 'em have said in my tread "Any ACTUAL problems with the 3.8"

Personally..... I'm still working towards the 4-dr JK Rubi. Some day.....
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You may be mixing that up with the AUTO Transmission cooling, comments--



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I just did a "FACT finding" thread on here last week, asking folks who ACTUALLY OPERATE the 3.8 if they have any problems with the engine cuz I'm dreaming about going from my TJ to a JK.

There are NO complaints from anybody. A couple of 'em burn more oil that they oughta. The complaints that did come back were the "lack of power" to the road....but automotive magazines testing showed the 3.8 powered 4dr JK weighing 4600 pounds OUTPERFORMED the 4.0 powered TJ at 2100 pounds. So the "lack of power" seems hard to support. But I'm still eagerly learning. Consumer Reports likes the 3.8.

What DOES seem to be a problem is COOLING the engine in a JK. LOTS of folks are reporting that the "new" cooling is just inadequate. Some say that they've even added electric fans, and it still get hot.

I havent observed any of this first hand. Its just what folks who drive 'em have said in my tread "Any ACTUAL problems with the 3.8"

Personally..... I'm still working towards the 4-dr JK Rubi. Some day.....
In two years of operating my '08 JKU and pulling my off-road trailer, I've never had any engine temps that were out of the ordinary--

At first (2008) my tranny would get HOT--but I've cured that with aux coolers and I don't think Chrysler has made any changes to the tranny--just stupid dashboard alarms !!

With the engine and using the Rubi xfer case, it will pull the trailer up trees-at idle in 4lo--there's no power/temp needs for off-road use, it's just a light duty hiwy cruiser, on the road !!

Mine doesn't use any measurable oil--(Mobile 1)

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Yup. I was referring to comments others made about the AUTO trans.

Again, my personal opinion is that where-as I can always dream-up something "better", the practical application of what they have done with the JK is actually very nice and pretty impressive....IMHO.

I want one!

I was saddened to hear that the lifetime warranty was gone. If it was still available....I'd have me a JK this week. But....I gotta be patient and wait for the incentive to come back....maybe. (fingers crossed....wishful thinking)

My guess / hope..... They will release the pentastar for late 2011 or 2012 and will revive the "lifetime warranty" to sweep the previous year models off the lots. Yeah, I can be delusional.
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Only had my jku for 3 months
It's a 2010 automatic
No problems with over heating I have the transmission cooler though factory installed. I do understand what was said about the shifting points, going up hills you lose power and it revs to around 4 rpm to get it back up to speed. I get around 18 mpg average. It does great pulling a trailer loaded with all kinda weight so far I'm pleased no problems with the auto tranny
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I think you mean that you have the STOCK tranny cooler, that is part of the A/C condenser !!

You may have the "HOT OIL" icon-on you dash, just be careful, pulling that trailer--Talk to Hilldweller about the trailer heat !!

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Even if it has a separate radiator it's part of the ac condenser? I didn't know
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But that still doesn't tell me what the average owner paid for one.

I have done that, and I'm left scratching my head about why I can only get a black Rubicon with a dual top option.
Go to www.edmunds.com and you can find out what people are paying in your area.
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Nope, it's at the A/C condenser bottom, just like ALL the other vehicle mfg's coolers, are at the RADIATOR bottom--so


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It just doesn't do a smashup job, of keeping the auto tranny kool !!

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I am sure many people will disagree with me but here is my opinion. I love jeeps and I cannot image owning anything else. I have owned a CJ7, a TJ Rubicon and now I own a JK Unlimited Rubicon. However, nobody owns a jeep for MPG or reliability. Jeeps break down....period.. The are basically a big box on wheels with very little creature comforts. My 2008 has been in the shop several times. trans over heating, AC comp, Throttle body,etc,etc.. Fortunately, The dealer has covered all issues so far.

On the other hand... NOTHING goes off road as well as a jeep and I do not know of another vehicle so fun to drive.
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Come on... It's a flipping Rubicon!!! take off the doors and drive. Do you really care how many miles you can go on a tank of gas? or really anything for that matter. It's a Jeep just get it. Mickeymouse sums it up in the post above, sorry I did not see that one.
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I have a 6spd in mine, I'd think w/you in WV you'd be better off with the manual with your stable of vehicles. just my .02

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