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Old 12-08-2011, 09:43 PM   #61
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AT, hates water. If you get water in a AT more then likely the valve body and other parts inside will be toast.
MT,a little more forgiveing. Flush it a few times & 9 times out of 10 your good to go.
AT, you can shift gears in mud & water with little worry.
MT, Unless you want a mud packed clutch, try not to do it.
But to me you steer a jeep with a AT, and you drive a jeep with a MT.

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Old 12-08-2011, 09:48 PM   #62
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to me you steer a jeep with a AT, and you drive a jeep with a MT.

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Automatic, 4 doors, heated leather seating, remote start, power mirrors windows and locks in a Wrangler.....what's this world coming to??

My Dad's Jeep had a manual...windshield wiper.
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See? The 2012 manual is already getting you into trouble.
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I don't recall ever seeing a M151 with an automatic transmission. In 1984 we started getting Blazers (CUCV) in the 101st to augment/replace the M151.

The guys in my unit assigned those vehicles were blowing transmissions right and left. They weren't doing anything different than they would do with an old M151 Jeep or a Gamma Goat (which was hard to get stuck anyhow) but they wouldn't let up on getting unstuck until the smoke started rising and the wheels quit turning. Part of the issue was the crap tires they came with that immediately became clogged with wet clay. But the crappy trannys were a big part too.

Anyhow, to me the jeep just seems more natural with a manual. Even though it's quite porky when compared to it's military or even CJ ancestors.

CUCV (Commercial Utility Cargo Vehicle)
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I feel the jeep and I are one when Im shifting her!
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Old 12-09-2011, 11:46 AM   #67
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I say if it is an auto it better be a CVT otherwise I want a stick.
My 6 speed unlimited finally came in the night before last, the test drive to the house and back to the dealer was enough time to tell if I really want it. We clocked just a little over 30 miles and I can truly say I got a good feel for the vehicle.

Together, with the sales guy I put the Jeep in every normal driving situation I could, Highway driving shifting through all the gears, down shifting to a traffic light, making a u-turn in 5 oclock traffic, even pulling into a local Sunoco to put 2 gallons of 87 octane in the tank. By the time we got to my house the sun was going down & when we were backing down the drive way, the sun was down and the moon was up.

My first test drive in a 5 auto was plain & It left me feeling un-emotionally attached to the experience I had. After driving the 6 speed I was glad to have built it the way I did 3.73 ratio . 17 Inches of wheel . 6 speed trans .
Now only have 1 more week until it is back in my drive way.

Go with the 6 speed you wont be un-impressed
And the higher gear ratio that is available on the Rubicon
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Old 12-09-2011, 01:59 PM   #68
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ive always been a diehard MT type of guy, and my 2011 jku was no different. especially hearing about how sluggish the AT was for that year (4 gears, wtf?) That being said......

I wish I had an AT. I drive 90% of the time in city bumper to bumper traffic, and the rest of the time is either highway or offroading. I know after my last wheeling trip (as those of you who saw the video noted) you can really do alot of clutch work to crawl. and around here, almost every wheeling trip involves water crossings or mud. So yeah, I wish I had an AT, even if it sucks. Because I know I'll be replacing my clutch in no time
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I say if it is an auto it better be a CVT otherwise I want a stick.
My 6 speed unlimited finally came in the night before last, the test drive to the house and back to the dealer was enough time to tell if I really want it. We clocked just a little over 30 miles and I can truly say I got a good feel for the vehicle.

Together, with the sales guy I put the Jeep in every normal driving situation I could, Highway driving shifting through all the gears, down shifting to a traffic light, making a u-turn in 5 oclock traffic, even pulling into a local Sunoco to put 2 gallons of 87 octane in the tank. By the time we got to my house the sun was going down & when we were backing down the drive way, the sun was down and the moon was up.

My first test drive in a 5 auto was plain & It left me feeling un-emotionally attached to the experience I had. After driving the 6 speed I was glad to have built it the way I did 3.73 ratio . 17 Inches of wheel . 6 speed trans .
Now only have 1 more week until it is back in my drive way.

Go with the 6 speed you wont be un-impressed
And the higher gear ratio that is available on the Rubicon
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Aside from the driving experience argument for people who want to feel more connected to their vehicles and have more precision offroad with a lower 1st gear and the benefit of engine braking with a 6 speed:

For the 07-11 automatics (42RLE), they bring the big suck because there is too much lag in between gear shifts, and mostly, because the 4th gear (overdrive) is a 0.69:1 ratio.

TJs have been complaining about the 42RLE since it was introduced in 2003. Even with the old 4.0L jeep engine with more lower end torque, the 42RLE brings the big suck. It takes 5.13 gears to run 35s with the 4.0L with any sort of performance that even comes close to the TJ 5 speed or 6 speed.

For an 07-11 automatic JK to have even close to the same performance as the 6 speed, you need 5.13 gears with 33s and 5.38 gears with 35s. 5.38s with 37s aren't deep enough.

I understand the disparity in the '12 JK transmissions is less of a problem. So, the issue might be more of a preference over performance, but for 07-11, the automatics just are plain minivan-esk.

This is not just speculation.

We own 3 JKs:

my wife's 4 dr Rubi automatic on 37s and 5.38 gears
my 2 dr Rubi 6 speed on 40s and 5.13 gears
a 4 dr Rubi 6 speed on 37s and 5.13 gears

They all have Superchips Flashpaq tunes.

I would highly discourage anyone from ever buying an automatic JK who plans to run larger than 35s with less than 5.38 gears.
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Aside from the driving experience argument for people who want to feel more connected to their vehicles and have more precision offroad with a lower 1st gear and the benefit of engine braking with a 6 speed:

For the 07-11 automatics (42RLE), they bring the big suck because there is too much lag in between gear shifts, and mostly, because the 4th gear (overdrive) is a 0.69:1 ratio.

TJs have been complaining about the 42RLE since it was introduced in 2003. Even with the old 4.0L jeep engine with more lower end torque, the 42RLE brings the big suck. It takes 5.13 gears to run 35s with the 4.0L with any sort of performance that even comes close to the TJ 5 speed or 6 speed.

For an 07-11 automatic JK to have even close to the same performance as the 6 speed, you need 5.13 gears with 33s and 5.38 gears with 35s. 5.38s with 37s aren't deep enough.

I understand the disparity in the '12 JK transmissions is less of a problem. So, the issue might be more of a preference over performance, but for 07-11, the automatics just are plain minivan-esk.

This is not just speculation.

We own 3 JKs:

my wife's 4 dr Rubi automatic on 37s and 5.38 gears
my 2 dr Rubi 6 speed on 40s and 5.13 gears
a 4 dr Rubi 6 speed on 37s and 5.13 gears

They all have Superchips Flashpaq tunes.

I would highly discourage anyone from ever buying an automatic JK who plans to run larger than 35s with less than 5.38 gears.
Brings the big suck haha
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Old 12-10-2011, 10:29 AM   #74
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The manual in the rubicon I test drove was excellent. It certainly is a personal choice but in Canada it is a $1400 option. Besides driving a manual becomes second nature and 90 per cent of population can't drive them including my lovely wife.
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Old 12-11-2011, 12:34 PM   #76
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I'm a new Jeeper but one of my reasons for getting the Wrangler was to scratch some of the itch my motorcycle used to...open up the top and feel the wind, to feel more "connected" to the riding/driving experience. I chose the manual for that reason.
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You can drive your manual with half the oil leaking out. Auto doesn't do so well.
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Hey so im new,
iv read all 3 pages of this topic and still there is no legit evidence pointing towards one being better than the other....

and this worrys me because im going to be a new jeep owner in the next year and a half(saving up) and i plan on treating my 4d ruby to the great outdoors and doing some rock crawling and mudding with her,
but,
you guys have me bouncing back and fourth.
AUTO GOOD MANUAL BAD----MANUAL GOOD AUTO BAD.
i cant get a fix on whats better so if someone could simplify this and give me 5 reasons why auto is good and manual is good and 5 reasons why auto is bad and manual is bad.
that way i can make the best out of this confusing thread !! :3

all i want to make sure of is that my jeep will do me well and ill enjoy it...
cuz i sure as hell dont want to be felling shitty when driving it off road or not!!!!!
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Hey so im new,
iv read all 3 pages of this topic and still there is no legit evidence pointing towards one being better than the other....

and this worrys me because im going to be a new jeep owner in the next year and a half(saving up) and i plan on treating my 4d ruby to the great outdoors and doing some rock crawling and mudding with her,
but,
you guys have me bouncing back and fourth.
AUTO GOOD MANUAL BAD----MANUAL GOOD AUTO BAD.
i cant get a fix on whats better so if someone could simplify this and give me 5 reasons why auto is good and manual is good and 5 reasons why auto is bad and manual is bad.
that way i can make the best out of this confusing thread !! :3

all i want to make sure of is that my jeep will do me well and ill enjoy it...
cuz i sure as hell dont want to be felling shitty when driving it off road or not!!!!!
It is a personal choice. Get whatever makes you happy.
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to tell you the truth this will be my first ride,
but my mum swears by having a modded shifter and clutch.

does that mean anything ?
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Before we start anything like CAI or oil threads, I have a manual so obviously I'm gonna say manual. Know right off the bat, manuals are cheaper from factory and long term use. Manual is also safer in my opinion because it keeps you focused and not Fallon asleep. The reason I got a manual is because if jeep is one of the only vehicles these days that offer manuals, wht not go for it. know if you live in the city and you have lots of traffic and stop go stop go, then an automatic would be better suited for you. Good luck
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Also it doesn't matter if you have a manual or auto for off-roading because if you put it in 4-lo you are clutch free. It becomes an automatic basically
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to tell you the truth this will be my first ride,
but my mum swears by having a modded shifter and clutch.

does that mean anything ?
Well then by all means always do what your mum says and get a stick, manual fan here.
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Also it doesn't matter if you have a manual or auto for off-roading because if you put it in 4-lo you are clutch free. It becomes an automatic basically
One thing you do NOT want to do is depress the clutch in a mud hole, if you do than you get mud and grit between the flywheel and clutch disk, certain recipee for clutch failure. Other than that choose the correct gear to be in before attempting an obsticle.
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I just traded a 2011 JK Sport manual for a 2014 JK Sahara auto and couldn't be happier.
One difference I like is the emergency brake on the JK is not that good and I feel secure that when my auto is in park it isn't going anywhere on its' own.
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I just traded a 2011 JK Sport manual for a 2014 JK Sahara auto and couldn't be happier. One difference I like is the emergency brake on the JK is not that good and I feel secure that when my auto is in park it isn't going anywhere on its' own.
The E brake is easy to adjust.

If you park an automatic on a hill, you need to set the tranny in neutral, engage the E brake, and then set the tranny in park. Otherwise, the load will be placed on the tranny, and eventually cause damage.
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My Dad always said:

1. Women that sweat a lot are good cooks
1. Real Jeeps have 2 doors and a stick

just sayin.........
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The E brake is easy to adjust.

If you park an automatic on a hill, you need to set the tranny in neutral, engage the E brake, and then set the tranny in park. Otherwise, the load will be placed on the tranny, and eventually cause damage.
Easy to adjust...but still very weak....and horrible to change. You have to pull the axle.

That was big for me because at the time I was Wrangler shopping, I was doing the brakes on my Integra. (It turned out to be quite easy on the Integra as you basically reset the parking brake when you change the rear pad.).

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My Dad always said:

1. Women that sweat a lot are good cooks
2. Real Jeeps have 2 doors and a stick

just sayin.........
Well, it is a good thing your dad is not in charge of Wrangler sales or they would be out of business. 4 door autos dominate the sales.
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