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Old 09-01-2011, 08:05 PM   #1
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Jk 08 Leak Fixes and Other Jeeps Soft and HArd tops

hey all..nightmare leaks from hell with my jk 08 i just recently purchased from dealership..whAT A RUN AROUND!Had to threaten them with attorney generals office to get stuff done...any how..the pillar leaks ,and famous water pouring on the door handles inside.The nasty wind sound when driving....
1st the pillar leaks read this ...youll understand.....
.i had water pouring in,,,replaced the foam seals on end of door frames that pop into the cup seals on the header channel rubber..still leaked...replaced the door rubber surround,still water...went to dealer again they replaced my header rubber..just little bit water then...when they replace the header channel rubber,,they just pull the seal strip off and dont use any other butyl caulk under it..if this is not sealed to upper part of windshield frame the water drips underneath the header rubber along the frame..goes behind the corners of the rubber seals at ends of header channel rubber and drips down between inner molding on the dash near heater vents..also to not if you caulk this with butyl caulk nicely and it still leaks...Note that the upper door rubbers have a issue with the way they seal in the upper front corners..im still working on this..
so i would check the header rubber to see if it is sealed all along the frame..mine had water under it ..so recaulked it all along front of header rubber.."not the top itself "the rubber that is exposed when you flip your top back..be sure to caulk all the way to the ends where the header channel curves around frame...see the pds named leaks....
thats a start..i followed them pdfs and the with the dealer..i have like a few drops ,now rather than pouring in..but ill get that fixed too..
the wind noise from the old stock header ,is gone,,they installed the new metal header,,thou they did a half ass job.cause they stripped one screw..i did notice that the tops have a rain rail that screws into header with two screws each side,note there is suppose to be a peace of foam covering this plastic bracket,if it isnt there [get it],,if it is there ,you can carefully pull it back to expose the 2 screws holding that plastic bracket into header...thaT PLASTIC bracket from your soft top on both sides of top is part of the drip rail sewed in the factory top and does not fit tightly around end of header bar.[noticed water in there so ].i unscrewed them 2 screws put some butyl type water proof caulk on the ends and re screwed it to header.[then replace the foam peaces as shown in the pdf named installing new top.
You will know where im talking about when you lift back your sunrider top and see the ends of your top,and notice its not tightly fitting on header where its screwed in..this is a water issue..as the water channels between the header bar and the plastic bracket that is sewed into that soft top then it drips into the cab...
also check the underside of the top where it meets the header channel rubber ..there should be a strip of foam on each side of the top towards the ends of the bar where it curves..and there should be another foam seal that is above the two screws holding the rain rail from top into the header bar.....if they arent there you can buy this seal kit..check the pdf..named mopar scroll after opening the pdf to illustrations 13,14,15... pdfs and this link below,,,if your tired of the bs leaks on your sunrider top the read all thru these ,,and copy and past this link below its to large of a pdf to post it covers all jk leaks with hard and softops....

http://wkjeeps.com/misc/Wrangler/JK_Water_Leaks_All.pdf

i will give you cats a update,,,for now i went from pouring to a few drops of water...im trying to fabricate this softop bracket that is sewed into the softop to fit right around the header when your top is up..
Have you ever notice that the rain rail lift in the air towards the front part of the top wwhen you put the top up..well thats that crappy plastic bracket that should be made out of metal,,,

also a tip..the new tops are more fleaxable,as the dealer put one on mine...it pools water in the center in heavy rain,, heres the link
skid row prop top ..39.99 ..no more puddles in your lap..lmao
Skid Row Offroad JP-0107 - Skid Row Automotive Top Prop for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec


below is the link for the seal kit i was talking about for your top and header bar they dont tell you about .mopar soft top foam kit.lol
MOPAR 68078452AA - MOPAR® Soft Top Foam Tape Seal Kit for 11-12 Jeep® Wrangler & Wrangler Unlimited JK - Quadratec

below vent visor ,rain channel for your jeep doors....no more water all over inside doors when you crack your window ,a must have
Autoventshade 192328 - Auto Ventshade In-Channel Ventvisor in Smoke for 07-12 Jeep® Wrangler JK 2 Door with Full-Framed Doors - Quadratec

i hop it helps ya out cats..the seal kits in the pdfs for the door frames near the cup selas..i had to order from the dealer..it comes with a bunch of foam peaces..for soft and hard tops

ok gotta run ,,,and ill update after the next rain storm as ill have my new prop bar and seal kit on the top and the issues may be solved..thank god..i thought it would only leak with the top down...love my jeep tho

the pictures below are the famous pain in the butt leaks..now i just had a few drops...what a relief ..a drop or two ..but im gonna permently fix it..
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Old 09-01-2011, 09:00 PM   #2
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Sorry to hear. It took a tropical storm to force about 3 drops in my 07

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Old 09-01-2011, 09:34 PM   #3
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are there any recalls? if you replaced all seals and it still leaks id check to see if the frames tweeked.
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Old 09-01-2011, 09:48 PM   #4
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Top front door hinges (body) need to be moved 1/16" inward-

Thats the reason you hear the wind whistling/water leak--

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Old 09-05-2011, 05:49 AM   #5
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update

yea breath alright been to dealer 10 times...
i have no leaks as of now..and they put a new top on which is way more flimsy then my old one..it hold gallons of water when really heavy rains or washing it....i bought the prop top from quad..it works ..but anyone getting this you will have a heel of a time getting the fiberglass prop in..im gonna modify mine and cut it a little..fell it pushes top up beyound what it need to be ...

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Top front door hinges (body) need to be moved 1/16" inward-

Thats the reason you hear the wind whistling/water leak--

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i agree with you there..with the new door surrounds rubbers,seems like yoou really have to shut door hard..i asked about adjusting doors,they keep sterring me away and dont want too..id do it myself if i could find a pdf on doing that....but as of now after 2 days of rain ..nothing
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raining for days and only a few drops....on my jk x...its not perfect but i can deal with it...for now...far as doors go i measured them with calipers and they are withing door specs...i mean off maybe a thousands of a inch...but when i look from the side i notice the softop.pinches rhe middle of the top of rubber door channel ,on pass door topside, but on each side of door they r in spec for gap....seems the door frames maybe be warped possible or theres a hardware issue also.drip caps also pitch upwards......but like i said only a few drops on pass side now..i may just leave it and im pushing for a hardtop out of them..i paid enough for the jeep,they need to make it right..all this wrong with this jeep is ridiculous...alot of bs if you ask me...
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i agree with you there..with the new door surrounds rubbers,seems like yoou really have to shut door hard..i asked about adjusting doors,they keep sterring me away and dont want too..id do it myself if i could find a pdf on doing that....but as of now after 2 days of rain ..nothing
and when they chaged the header bar n header seal the wind noise is barley noticeable..old header sat bout a inch above the winshield frame..this new header does not..the top now sets a qurater inch down below the winshield frame
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I don't "adjust" my JKUR to specs--alignment is within specs and the handling was "POOR", so I adjusted the castor

The doors don't have any spec for REALITY,/leaks and wind, you have to do "on site" fitting !!


QUOTE=docz;1558539]and when they chaged the header bar n header seal the wind noise is barley noticeable..old header sat bout a inch above the winshield frame..this new header does not..the top now sets a qurater inch down below the winshield frame[/QUOTE]

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hey jimbo..what do you mean on the caster can you be more specific..it might help me stop it completly ,even in them reall down poors...are you talking bout the inside door frame adjusting the hieght,,,cause i notice on the pass side..the top of door rubbers are pinched in the center of the door to rain channel on top ..but has about 5.35 mm gap on each side of door ..looks like the inside door surround is bowned down in center when top is completly fastened with the sunrider top attached.so when i get drivinf rain the water rolls off the top down side of the rubber on top of doors and inbetween the door rubber top side and the top rain channel that pops in door surround...ill post a couple pics of this..cause like to find out whats making it pinch the rubber and making the top of door rubbers almost flush with rain channel on pass side...not much room for water to roll off side of top and into the door channel like its suppose to...i thought about putting shims in the center of inside door surrounds to make it not bow in the center ,,that way ,when i close door it will set inside the door frame and rain channel futher...thus letting water roll off side of top and into the rubber channel on the door rubbers...thanks for all your time and help//
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pics of top of door to top

driver side on jk dont leak anymore yet [lol]..but look like crap the way it meets the top.,look at how the pass side lower 2 pics is very tight in center where it meets the top...and also how from side vue ,pass side the rubber from doors is like under a quarter in close to flush with top...rain just rolls over side on pass side ..and if it really rains water will seep thru rubber and top of softtop.notice the tops in front both sides...how it slightly curls up...
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the sunrider top

ok and heres the sunrider top flipped back..installed from crystler dealer.but the original was the same..notice the stress marks on the plastic brack that screws into the header both sides...the header bar doesnt allow for the top to roll over all the way ,,at ends of bar it pushes the top making it curl in the front when you install it...and they striiped a screw pass side ..so i installed a diff one...they has some kind of blue locktite in all the screws...i unscrewed them and put some butyl caulk behind the brackets in the front of top where the water was coming in and i installed the front seal on the top itself in front of header corners and over bracket accoriding to pdf myself because the dealer did not install them as the pdf shows ..so i purchased them [myself],went to dealer showed them all this ,they said they would install the seals...and when i tryed to get appointmeant they did not contact me back,as the rain was pouring in my jeep ,so i pulled in a garage and did it myself
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also to note ..i did figure this out ..you can take a popsicle stick and slide it behind the plastic bracket and header bar..not where the screws are, but on the sides of brackets..this allows the top to roll over header bar more and not curl as much and give more of a 90% angle when top is fastened..i havent done it on this top,,but did on the original top,cause had the same issue...so im on their @#$ about it..this is a default in this top and header..these brackets sewed into top should be metal in the front and not plastic...
i havent done it yet but may just file ends of header bar bout 1/16 of a inch so the top rolls over like it should...but not yet cause this is under warrenty..and want to see what they r gonna do...note this :the original header [the oem factory wider one made oout of plastic was the same way and top...whistle and water defintely with this isssue
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I can't do anything about your soft top-other than my suggestion for (hard top), if the dealer hasn't fixed it yet ???

The only way to change the front suspension castor is with adj ball joints/or adj lower control arms (LCAs)--

I've got "Rustys" adj LCAs-

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lol..so what does the caster have to do with leak fixes..lmao
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lower pic is the seals installed,,poor quality pic sorry
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