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Old 12-30-2011, 03:55 PM   #31
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While I wouldn't do it myself, I do think it's kind of a cool and unique mod. I can definitely see how "purists" would not be a fan, but then it seems like they're not all that big a fan of the JK/JKU in general with all the "mall crawler" comments lol. In the end, it's Bike27e's Jeep and regardless of what anyone's personal opinion is, he's entitled to do whatever he wants with it

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Old 12-30-2011, 04:08 PM   #32
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Put that crap on a ricer not a Jeep.

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Old 12-30-2011, 06:30 PM   #33
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Like Hilldweller said - completely illegal. Only colors allowed to show forward are white and amber. Green, blue and red are reserved colors. In most states green lights are reserved for military.
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Like Hilldweller said - completely illegal. Only colors allowed to show forward are white and amber. Green, blue and red are reserved colors. In most states green lights are reserved for military.
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I want to clarify that these are not green Headlights, they are halos that fit outer part of the inside headlight lamp. I have full use of my stock headlights and fog lights. They are mainly for daytime use and also when I am parked at night at a restaurant, I leave them running, as LEDs do not take much battery power. So they are very legal as I have picked a color that is not Blue, Red, or Amber (which is illegal in NC)
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Old 12-30-2011, 07:42 PM   #35
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I think they look pretty cool. Not my thing but it looks like you put alot of work in it and it shows. F the whiners, it's your sled. BTW speeding is also illegal to all the do-gooders out there. Hhmm, maybe the GOV has too many laws. We the people my arse.
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Old 12-31-2011, 08:34 AM   #36
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I think they look pretty cool. Not my thing but it looks like you put alot of work in it and it shows. F the whiners, it's your sled. BTW speeding is also illegal to all the do-gooders out there. Hhmm, maybe the GOV has too many laws. We the people my arse.

Thanks carrot!

Here is the picture of it with lights on during daytime. But to the eye the green halo is a bit brighter. The night one just didn't turn out close to reality so I will try to describe. The pic below shows what the LED halo ring looks like inside the headlight. Each of those bulbs are green so it really isn't a complete solid circle, it is a series of bulbs. When the headlights are on

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, you see more of the individual bulbs because it cuts down the glare considerably from the halo. Hopefully that made some sense
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Old 01-01-2012, 12:45 AM   #37
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I'm really liking this more and more. May have to move some motorbike pieces for yet another mod. From my wife "thanks".
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Old 01-01-2012, 10:14 AM   #38
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I'm really liking this more and more. May have to move some motorbike pieces for yet another mod. From my wife "thanks".
Hahaha sorry! This really gets a ton of eyeballs. I love it. Let me know if you want some help.
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Old 01-02-2012, 07:47 AM   #39
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I want to clarify that these are not green Headlights, they are halos that fit outer part of the inside headlight lamp. I have full use of my stock headlights and fog lights. They are mainly for daytime use and also when I am parked at night at a restaurant, I leave them running, as LEDs do not take much battery power. So they are very legal as I have picked a color that is not Blue, Red, or Amber (which is illegal in NC)
Anything in a headlight has to be "white" by FMVSS-108. That includes NC too.
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Like Hilldweller said - completely illegal. Only colors allowed to show forward are white and amber. Green, blue and red are reserved colors. In most states green lights are reserved for military.
or volunteer fire fighters in an auxiliary light.


They're not legal, no matter how much you wish them to be.

Google "target fixation" as it relates to driving and then tell me if you want something that odd on the front of your Jeep.
I've seen Goldwings get rear-ended that had "wig-wag" brakelight modulators that they thought were helping them be seen; turns out that the illegal mod they did only distracted drivers, confused drivers, caused drivers to hit them.

I label this a "Disney Mod" ---- save it for the parade or the mall.
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:52 PM   #40
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Anything in a headlight has to be "white" by FMVSS-108. That includes NC too.
Wow...good stuff, this. I've learned a lot through this post.

Would you mind educating me a bit, please, sir? (And since it's hard to read "tone" in an email, this IS sincere - not being a smart-@$$ so please don't take it that way)

Can you give me the "chapter and verse" quote on this from FMVSS-108? I tried but the document is HUGE and I'm having trouble dredging anything up. In my searches, here's what I did come up with:

- Federal law seems to stipulate headlights must be white.
- Any auxiliary light must replicate the color of light it's replacing or helping (i.e. aux driving lights must be white if they're helping the purpose of the headlight)

Here's where I got confused...

I found a few legal opinions where lights not OEM and approved by the DOT are left up to local state law.
BUT
I also found an opinion that said it was the opinion of the Feds that if the light wasn't OEM, it wouldn't be legal as an aftermarket add-on.

Also - would these particular lights be considered? Auxiliary lights? Or driving lights? Or what? Since they don't seem to serve any practical purpose... Reason I ask is the law seems to be written that the color must be the same as the light being replaced or augmented.

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Unless you've seceded again, then never mind.
Hey...North Carolina seceded well after Georgia did. And was admitted back into the Union much quicker.

It was the Peach State that got kicked back out of the Union after readmission and wasn't let back in until years later.

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I've seen Goldwings get rear-ended that had "wig-wag" brakelight modulators that they thought were helping them be seen; turns out that the illegal mod they did only distracted drivers, confused drivers, caused drivers to hit them.
Sound advice. I had a brake light modulator on my scoot because I thought it made me more visible. Turns out it caused distraction at best - target fixation at worst. When riding with friends, folks would tell me the "strobing" effect would mesmerize them. Not good...not good... I quickly changed my lights to something more pedestrian - much better.
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Old 01-02-2012, 01:24 PM   #41
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Just a friendly reminder for no-name calling. We don't mind debates, but do not make it personal.
Stay on topic.
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Old 01-02-2012, 04:41 PM   #42
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Headlamps 2 White Front
On the front at the same height, with an equal number at each side of the vertical center line as far apart as practicable Not less than 559 mm (22 inches) nor more than 1,372 mm (54 inches)
Yes, it is a big document.
Here's a good website to use to search the regulations.

There's a bit more if you dig, like complying with the UN on an international move in the 50's, but that's what we have here.

Selective yellow can be used for foglights. You might even get away with it for headlights in some areas, especially if you have an older European vehicle that was sold in a country that mandated yellow headlights at the time the vehicle was sold...

And, as for a non-OE headlight being used, that opinion was superseded in November 2005 by NHTSA 03–15651.
You may use another lamp ---- provided it is also a legal, tested and assayed, lamp. Like putting a Cibie E-code, Hella, JW Speaker lamp in a Jeep.
This interpretation also specifically addresses the illegality of using a light source in a reflector designed for a different source, like putting an HID capsule in a reflector designed for a filament lamp.
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Old 01-03-2012, 11:44 AM   #45
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I appreciate all of the insight fellow Jeepers, It is a little disheartening, I assumed that state law would have covered this within the text of their driving laws. Federal Law however I had not gone into as depth as some of you have provided for me so I appreciate that. A lot of us make mods to our jeeps that we or our friends/family will enjoy, even if others don't find them attractive. So I thank those of you who have provided feedback. Guess I will keep the green eyes for special occasions, like 4wheelin' which is where my jeep should be as often as possible anyways!
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I appreciate all of the insight fellow Jeepers, It is a little disheartening, I assumed that state law would have covered this within the text of their driving laws. Federal Law however I had not gone into as depth as some of you have provided for me so I appreciate that. A lot of us make mods to our jeeps that we or our friends/family will enjoy, even if others don't find them attractive. So I thank those of you who have provided feedback. Guess I will keep the green eyes for special occasions, like 4wheelin' which is where my jeep should be as often as possible anyways!
Enjoy your lights man. . some people on here just have to ruin everything. . i personally think they look cool. . would do it to mine but don't wanna have to bake my lights and all. . NICE MOD
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Keep in mind that this modification is illegal under all vehicular codes in the Americas for use on public roadways.

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FMVSS No. 108 specifies
requirements for original and
replacement lamps, reflective devices,
and associated equipment. The standard
applies to passenger cars, multipurpose
passenger vehicles, trucks, buses,
trailers, and motorcycles. Under the
standard, vehicle manufacturers are
required to certify that a new vehicle
meets, among other things, FMVSS No.
108’s requirements with respect to
lamps, reflective devices, and associated
equipment. In addition, FMVSS No. 108
also applies to lamps, reflective devices,
and associated equipment manufactured
to replace any lamp, reflective device, or
item of associated equipment on any
vehicle to which the standard applies.
Thus, FMVSS No. 108 is both a vehicle
standard and an equipment standard....

The purpose of FMVSS No. 108 is to
reduce crashes and deaths and injuries
from crashes, by providing adequate
illumination of the roadway, and by
enhancing the conspicuity of motor
vehicles on the public roads so that
their presence is perceived and their
signals understood, both in daylight and
in darkness or other conditions of
reduced visibility.

...(a) lamp must meet all photometric,
environmental, location, material, color,
area, wiring, markings, and other
requirements specified in FMVSS No.
108 for that type of lamp, reflective
device, or other item of equipment (in
the case of a combination lamp, it must
meet these requirements for each
function).

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I gotta admit, legal or not, that looks pretty neat with the headlights on. I'd have done red, and I'm not so sure I'd do it to my Jeep, but they look neat nonetheless.
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