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Old 01-11-2013, 02:37 PM   #1
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JK bumper upgrade questions

I am looking to put new bumper on the 2012 Wrangler. My concern is with the relocation of the vacuum canister. I know a lot has been mentioned about this but wanted to feedback from those who have experienced this.

1- I can install and AEV bumper without removing or relocating the vacuum if I do not use a winch. This is according to AEV.
So is the AEV worth the money?

I don’t do a lot of off-roading right now and wonder it I really need a winch if I am keeping the Jeep close to original as a daily driver and don’t want to kill gas millage. How often will I really use a winch going in moderate trails. Would a come-a-long do the same just a lot slower?

I hate the extra 70 pounds it adds, that’s without a skid plate. Any comments on that? Thats just the front!

I also see the AEV skid plate seems to need a good deal of cutting on the members to install on a 2012. Has anyone done an install on the AEV skid plate and a 2012 wrangler?

One big concern with cutting and drilling is rust. I live in Colorado now and its not that big an issue but if I ever move to a more damp climate the mods I do today could be rust factories tomorrow.

I am also looking at the MOPAR off-road bumpers? Anyone experience anything with them and the install? Quality?

Any recommendations that someone may have for a full width bumper that has lights please give me your experience and or advice. I don't mind paying more for quality but i don't want to pay more for hype.

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I can't help you with that particular question as my bumper is stock...but welcome to WF

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Old 01-11-2013, 02:49 PM   #3
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Thank, this is my third jeep but I did not live anywhere to actually use to so all of this upgrading is new to me.
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I put on a Rock Hard 4x4 bumper and although I didn't have to move the vaccum canister it made my life a pain in the ass. The weight does suck it will be ok with stock suspension but if you were to add a winch to it I would suggest getting a lift. Thats what I'm saving up for now. I don't know about your bumper specifics but thats my 2 cents.
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There are plenty of aftermarket bumpers for which you don't need to relocate the vacuum canister. I just installed a PSC Brawler Lite on my JK today, the only thing we had to do was trim the small crash bar, or it can be removed altogether. Even with the skid plate, no noticeable drop/sag with OEM sahara suspension. There's a thread on here which has the weight for most of the popular aftermarket bumpers.

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I just put on the high rock high access bumper, as I went through the same thought process you did. It's a full width bumper that looks good with or without a winch.
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There are plenty of aftermarket bumpers for which you don't need to relocate the vacuum canister. I just installed a PSC Brawler Lite on my JK today, the only thing we had to do was trim the small crash bar, or it can be removed altogether. Even with the skid plate, no noticeable drop/sag with OEM sahara suspension. There's a thread on here which has the weight for most of the popular aftermarket bumpers.

I looked at some of their bumper they all come bare what did you have to do to get from bare to painted?
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I looked at some of their bumper they all come bare what did you have to do to get from bare to painted?
Took it to a powdercoat shop and had them powdercoat it
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The AEV premium bumper shipping weight is 85# + the hardware kit 40# and if you add the winch plate another 45# that's 170 pounds total without the skid plate or winch, so you will need heavier springs upfront. It's an awesome bumper but heavy.
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I put the AEV tubeless bumper without winch on mine. I did not have to relocate the vacuum pump at all since I'm running without a winch. I added the winch delete plate and the front plate over the fairlead slot and it looks great. The AEV bumper is one of the few that looks good sans winch, which is why I got it. You really need the front skid with it, looks kinda naked and open under there without it.

As for cutting/drilling it depends on when your 2012 was built. The later December and in builds have all the holes you need in place since they put the bumpers on the COD and Moab Jeeps. The AEV skid used to require some trimming of the piece on the front rail, but when I got mine, I noticed there are now to bulges on it to clear the rail lips and it is cut to clear the adjuster on the tie rod now. Since mine is a 2013, both the bumper and skid bolted on with no issues.

I did notice some drop from the bumper, but since I put the rear bumper on tag the same time, the drop was even and I got no rake. I swapped some stuff for a set of 18/59 springs from a Rubi and got the amount I dropped back mostly.
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that how I want to set it up

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I put the AEV tubeless bumper without winch on mine. I did not have to relocate the vacuum pump at all since I'm running without a winch. I added the winch delete plate and the front plate over the fairlead slot and it looks great. The AEV bumper is one of the few that looks good sans winch, which is why I got it. You really need the front skid with it, looks kinda naked and open under there without it.

As for cutting/drilling it depends on when your 2012 was built. The later December and in builds have all the holes you need in place since they put the bumpers on the COD and Moab Jeeps. The AEV skid used to require some trimming of the piece on the front rail, but when I got mine, I noticed there are now to bulges on it to clear the rail lips and it is cut to clear the adjuster on the tie rod now. Since mine is a 2013, both the bumper and skid bolted on with no issues.

I did notice some drop from the bumper, but since I put the rear bumper on tag the same time, the drop was even and I got no rake. I swapped some stuff for a set of 18/59 springs from a Rubi and got the amount I dropped back mostly.
You hit all my questions. Mine was built in June 2012 so hopefully OK. I plan to set it up just like you have it. My front springs are already 17's not sure I need to try and bump that up. The weight is really bothering me though. Also, the shops around here want about $600-700 dollars to install. I'm guessing I should just do it myself if I go with the AEV.
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I don't want to start a new thread but other than the AEV looking cool. Are there some other bumpers that anyone would recommend that meets my needs. My desire to upgrade is mostly to have more protection for the front end and any stray deer (or Prius). LIght weight, Factory Fogs and place for front license plate is my only must haves. THat and not having to move the vacuum would be great.
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Check out jcr offroad they have some nice bumpers that are light weight around 65lbs for most an are very solid
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You hit all my questions. Mine was built in June 2012 so hopefully OK. I plan to set it up just like you have it. My front springs are already 17's not sure I need to try and bump that up. The weight is really bothering me though. Also, the shops around here want about $600-700 dollars to install. I'm guessing I should just do it myself if I go with the AEV.
I had 17's in the front and it was fine. I managed to get the 18's for free and it was less than an hour to swap them out, so I went for it. I did have a measurable increase in height (1/2") but I haven't rechecked it after putting a few hundred miles on it to see if it settled any. Had I not gotten a deal on them, I would have been fine with the 17/58 combo mine had.
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I don't want to start a new thread but other than the AEV looking cool. Are there some other bumpers that anyone would recommend that meets my needs. My desire to upgrade is mostly to have more protection for the front end and any stray deer (or Prius). LIght weight, Factory Fogs and place for front license plate is my only must haves. THat and not having to move the vacuum would be great.
A couple really popular choices for a full width bumper like the AEV are the Rampage Recovery front bumper and Warn Elite front bumper. There is also a mega front bumper thread that includes several others.

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/ram...-q-171132.html

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/war...jk-120648.html

http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/meg...ad-134959.html
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Thanks to all for the help. I will look at some lighter options to see if I can save some weight.
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Our dagger series front bumpers don't require moving the vacuum pump. You can also install a winch without moving the pump as well.

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Thanks to all for the help. I will look at some lighter options to see if I can save some weight.
Just keep in mind it is a bumper so if you hit anything or someone backs into you everything behind that bumper is either plastic of very expensive and even after being fixed might never be the same.
Moving the evac canister takes 15 minutes and really shops want $600. to install a front bumper that's like $300 an hour it must be very expensive to live where you live. Never having done a front bumper replacement it took me 3 hours and that was because I didn't understand some of the directions.
You can do this yourself and there are so many great guys on here to help you threw it. $600.LMAO.
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Just keep in mind it is a bumper so if you hit anything or someone backs into you everything behind that bumper is either plastic of very expensive and even after being fixed might never be the same.
Moving the evac canister takes 15 minutes and really shops want $600. to install a front bumper that's like $300 an hour it must be very expensive to live where you live. Never having done a front bumper replacement it took me 3 hours and that was because I didn't understand some of the directions.
You can do this yourself and there are so many great guys on here to help you threw it. $600.LMAO.
Yea, everything auto related is expensive here. I lived just outside DC and could get anything done for a reasonable price, now that I love in Colorado it cost moe to get a mechanic than what a lawyer cost per hour. And both are just as aggravating.
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Just keep in mind it is a bumper so if you hit anything or someone backs into you everything behind that bumper is either plastic of very expensive and even after being fixed might never be the same.
Huh? The steel bumpers are bolted directly to the steel frame under the Jeep. Unless you hit hard enough to bend the frame, there's nothing behind the bumper to damage.

This is what happens if you hit someone hard enough to completely destroy their vehicle.



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A few of us here went with the Warn Elite bumper, very solid buid and any Colorado deer would not be happy to get introduced to it. The relocation is really no big deal and easy to do, sounds much worse than it actually is. The link below is about the Warn Elite bumper.

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I was thinking the OP want to look for something lighter than a steel bumper.
The front of that smashed jeep doesn't look really bad compared to the little car.
I have a warn front bumper and no it's not light around 170lbs with the winch.
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I just saw a review/video on a new poisonspyder bumper. Its a mid width but looks great with out a winch. I'm not sure the weight but may be worth checking out.
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Another to consider is the OR Fab full width front bumper. Pretty sweet set up.
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Our dagger series front bumpers don't require moving the vacuum pump. You can also install a winch without moving the pump as well.

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Here is my freshly installed Front Midwidth Dagger Winch Bumper with the leaning hoop and skid plate from JcrOffroad.
I went with this bumper because I did not want to remove the vacuum canister and because of the light weight.
All I can say is that I like it.

It ships bare steel... I prepped the bumper for painting with some left over KBS prep product that I had. ( KBS Coatings - Paint Over Rust - Stop Rust Paint - Gas Tank Sealer - Gas Tank Liner ) I had a coat of Gravitex Plus sprayed on and I covered the Gravitex with some Rustoleum hammer spray paint. I figure it's a easy touch up job if I have to spay more of the Rustoleum hammer spray paint.
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I like a lot of these bumpers. I would be happy with a good many of them. The issue I keep finding is the need for a front license plate. Almost none of them make hols to add the nylon insets to attack a front plate. ODD since the states that probably have the highest number of jeep modes require two plates. In fact. 31 states require front and back.
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I like a lot of these bumpers. I would be happy with a good many of them. The issue I keep finding is the need for a front license plate. Almost none of them make hols to add the nylon insets to attack a front plate. ODD since the states that probably have the highest number of jeep modes require two plates. In fact. 31 states require front and back.
I actually removed the front license plate since the photo above was taken, as I didn't like how it hung there like that.

Right now I'm running without it but I'm looking into a making a bracket for it so I can attach it flush with the skid. Something like this, where the horizontal bracket would be behind the skid and the vertical brackets would be attached through the holes (using longer screws) and sit in front of the skid.


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