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Old 10-17-2011, 09:46 PM   #1
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Anyone know if the Truck-Lite LED headlights are compatible with the 2012 JK's? Yes, I know they are ridiculously expensive...but they seem to be among the brightest, and definitely the longest lasting (bulb-wise), out there.

If someone has them and can give me a thumbs up or thumbs down, please do. I'm wondering how they hold up to the rigors of wheeling, the elements, etc. I live in Wisconsin, and have read about them not working so well in cold weather environments.

In short, are they really worth the $.

Otherwise, I'll probably go with the Delta xenons or the IPF HID's. Might not save me much in the long run, though. The IPF replacement bulbs are $65 a pair.

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What about the kit from rallylights?

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What about the kit from rallylights?

Not sure what that is. More info?

You mean the Rallylights Hella headlight kit? I believe they're HID, if I'm not mistaken...
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Sorry I was vague. I believe they arent HID. They have xenon bulbs but I don't think that counts. I think they will be my next mod and I will post pics after.
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Sorry I was vague. I believe they arent HID. They have xenon bulbs but I don't think that counts. I think they will be my next mod and I will post pics after.

Cool. Actually, the Delta's that I included in my initial post above are xenon. I've got nothing against xenon at all...just taking into consideration the price of replacement bulbs over the life of my Jeep, quality, durability, etc.

The Truck Lites I'm thinking about are REALLY expensive, but last abt 10,000 hours. The IPF's are HID, but don't last nearly as long, and bulbs are $65 a pair.

Doing a jeep build is kinda like the first time you picked up a Rubik's Cube.

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I installed Philips +80s last February as a stopgap choice due to being overwhelmed by choices. They were considerably better for minimal cost, but now I want something better. Far, far better.....and legal.

I'm in consult with Daniel Stern lighting consultant for further upgrade.

All it gets down to is "cubic $$$".
And I've read a lot on Hilldwellers and others long threads. Very informative and TONS of data/photos/comments/opinions.
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I installed Philips +80s last February as a stopgap choice due to being overwhelmed by choices. They were considerably better for minimal cost, but now I want something better. Far, far better.....and legal.
That's pretty much what I'm looking for. I do a LOT of night driving (sometimes all night...I hate to stop on road trips) and want something durable and as bright as the law will allow...otherwise I'd just bolt a shitload of IPAA's or KC's to my Jeep and go for it.
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Legality is an issue with some of those kits as hilldweller stated. I want to be nice and bright without blinding people and some of those legal aftermarket lenses have great cutoff.
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Okay, did a little more digging and found the info I need.

In case anyone else is interested, the Truck Lites are apparently VERY sturdy. Tested in desert environments, Alaska, etc. Mfr claims they'll work in temps from -58 F to 158 F. Very bright, white light and can last up to 50 times longer than conventional...

Between that and some writeups I've read elsewhere, I think I'm sold.
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Anyone seen the Mopar Blue Crush headlights? whats the availability status on a pair?
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The bulbs that come with the Delta Xenon kit are a joke. Ask me how I know. Q-Tec was sold out of the halogen kit at their tent sale, so I got the Xenon kit (which is simply a blue tinted bulb of the very cheap variety, far worse than Silverstars) knowing that I had a set of standard H4 bulbs from an older car I owned. The standard H4 bulb puts out a lot more usable light than the gee-whiz blue bulbs could ever hope to do.
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The bulbs that come with the Delta Xenon kit are a joke. Ask me how I know. Q-Tec was sold out of the halogen kit at their tent sale, so I got the Xenon kit (which is simply a blue tinted bulb of the very cheap variety, far worse than Silverstars) knowing that I had a set of standard H4 bulbs from an older car I owned. The standard H4 bulb puts out a lot more usable light than the gee-whiz blue bulbs could ever hope to do.
Good to know. For some reason, I never could commit to the DX kit. Not sure why. Maybe there's a Jeep angel...
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The reflectors/housings and the wiring pigtails themselves are nice, but they really cheaped out on the bulbs. I'll probably throw a pair of Philips +80 in them, but it says something when some run of the mill direct replacement H4 bulbs outperform your fancy "Xenon" bulbs.
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Not a Hijack, but comming i from hunting tonight I decided these headlights SUCK!!!

Without going into new units, what bulbs can I install and get better lighting. I have GREAT Aux lights but they are not for the road with other drivers......they work GREAT where and when I can use them but the std headlights really do suck.

Funny with the fogs on its not too bad.....could just use the two togeather i guess but better bulbs would be best i think......options????? Many thanks.......
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Im getting the h4 kit from rallylights on thursday ill put some before and after pics
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Without going into new units, what bulbs can I install and get better lighting.

Here's some info on bulb upgrades. Obviously, some are quite a bit more expensive than others...you should take that into consideration before you buy. There are some good plug & play replacement lights out there that might be more worthwhile (read: better reflectors, lenses, etc) than just replacing the bulbs.

That said, here are some of the bulbs I know about:

1. PIAA H13 Xtreme White Plus (mfr part #19618) $80/pr.

2. Hella Xenon bulbs (H83135302) $35/pr.

3. Sylvania Silver Star Halogens (H13ST) $40/pr. Can also get them for fogs.

This is by no means an all-inclusive list. But all of these will fit '07-'12 JK's. Before throwing down any cash, I'd toss it up to other folks on the forum, get some reviews.


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I was hoping not to have to start a new thread. But, I just got a set of JW Speakers from Josh at the Chrome Shop (at a hell of a price by the way), but the came with just the wires. Any thoughts or inputs of wiring these bad boys up? I was debating on ordering a H13 female connector, but since these are a "set and forget" and for life, I was thinking I might be able to hard wire it to the Jeep's wires by cutting my male connector.
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I was hoping not to have to start a new thread. But, I just got a set of JW Speakers from Josh at the Chrome Shop (at a hell of a price by the way), but the came with just the wires. Any thoughts or inputs of wiring these bad boys up? I was debating on ordering a H13 female connector, but since these are a "set and forget" and for life, I was thinking I might be able to hard wire it to the Jeep's wires by cutting my male connector.

Start a new thread. Put it in Communications and Electronics.

If I did more than plug in a simple wiring harness, you'd momentarily see my skeleton, just like when Wile E. Coyote gets zapped in the Bugs Bunny cartoons.
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The reflectors/housings and the wiring pigtails themselves are nice,
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...they really cheaped out on the bulbs.
Not really cheap but they don't work. They're filtered light; you can't make a bulb brighter by filtering it.
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I'll probably throw a pair of Philips +80 in them, but it says something when some run of the mill direct replacement H4 bulbs outperform your fancy "Xenon" bulbs.
All halogen bulbs contain xenon; it's a noble gas.
Calling their bulbs "xenon" is Delta's way of trying to fool you into thinking they're HID ---- that and the blue tint.
I've spoken to Bogdan about that and he continues to sell them anyhow. He's a character, pretty cool guy. A light fanatic. But more a fan of bling than performance.
Delta is the brand name in this country for Wesam Lighting, btw.


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Here's some info on bulb upgrades. Obviously, some are quite a bit more expensive than others...you should take that into consideration before you buy. There are some good plug & play replacement lights out there that might be more worthwhile (read: better reflectors, lenses, etc) than just replacing the bulbs.

That said, here are some of the bulbs I know about:

1. PIAA H13 Xtreme White Plus (mfr part #19618) $80/pr.
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2. Hella Xenon bulbs (H83135302) $35/pr.
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3. Sylvania Silver Star Halogens (H13ST) $40/pr. Can also get them for fogs.
Not even good enough to call junk.
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This is by no means an all-inclusive list. But all of these will fit '07-'12 JK's.
You left out the best H13, the Phillips Xtreme Power. The only real option for better performance in a direct bulb swap.


Read THIS THREAD for info on the JW Speakers, Truck-Lites, IPFs, Deltas, Hellas, & Cibies.
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No they're not...
I respect your input on this subject, but you're not going to tell me something I can see for myself to be a decent product is otherwise. I know you're passionate about lighting, but we're not all going to ante up $200+ for a set of headlights, when we can get improved lighting for less. I understand the terms as we've had this discussion before. Delta calls the bulb their "Xenon" bulb, not me. This is why I threw them in the trash and put a set of standard Sylvania H4 bulbs in there until I can get a set of the Philips. Obviously I'm not seeking your approval, but like I said, I respect your input on the matter. I'm just going to disagree. I'd be happy to put my headlights next to the stockers any time.

The bottom line with the Delta kit is that it works noticeably better than stock, at least when you dump their "Xenon" bulbs. The pattern and the light cast on the road is much improved, and apparently I'm not blinding any drivers, since I have yet to get flashed, even when I had them adjusted too high. The lens is thick and sturdy. The bead of sealant between the lens and reflector is thick and uniform, the reflectors are solid. I know this because I dropped one on my garage floor from about 2 feet, and it survived with no issues. I've done enough automotive wiring to know the pigtails are decent quality. The connector clips nice and tight to the factory harness and the wires are thick and flexible, like they should be. Are they REALLY DOT compliant? I don't know, and frankly, I don't care. The lens is stamped as such and Delta says they are, for whatever that's worth.
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I'd like to see the photometry on the new reflectors they're selling; I last spoke with Bogdan when they were still testing them for DOT compliance and he didn't have a set to give me. Their originals were all ECE compliant though, which is also okay to use here.

But performance is as performance does. A goinometer and other meters tell the truth, sans marketing mumbo jumbo. And sans subjective danda such as "it looks brighter"...
Their "kit" with a pigtail is feeding the bulbs with even less voltage than stock (which is less than the OE bulbs were tested with when tested for initial compliance). You'll see a profound improvement when you relay/rewire and feed them better-than-nominal voltage.
But, for that matter, you would've seen better performance from the stockers with better wiring.
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I'd be more than happy to subject them to testing, so long as it doesn't require me removing them and shipping them to someone.
Subjective or no, I drove around with the stockers fitted with the stock bulbs and then with Silverstars long enough to know that this kit is a good improvement over both. The useable light is increased, the patten is better suited to the backroads I frequent. My eyes tell me I can see better at night, as I'm not straining to see beyond the low beams now.
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I'd be more than happy to subject them to testing, so long as it doesn't require me removing them and shipping them to someone.
If you make it down to Georgia, holler. I'll set the test course up again and put a fresh battery in the meter.

I trust Bogdan enough to believe that they're compliant. Unlike IPF.... ....which isn't....
What you have to understand is that DOT compliance isn't hard to acheive, just expensive since the manufacturer has to pay for their own testing. The standard is 55 years old and makes it possible for 6V Beetles to have legal lighting with stock systems. You just have to have the light hit certain markers and miss others; not hard to do but hard to do well.

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Read THIS THREAD for info on the JW Speakers, Truck-Lites, IPFs, Deltas, Hellas, & Cibies.

Thanks for the link. Answered just about every question I had.

Still a tough decision, though, walking the tightrope btw price, longevity, effectiveness and durability.

you could lose all your hair, overthinking it.
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Ha!

That thought did occur to me as I was writing the above post...
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I currently have the piaa h13 bulbs they are slightly brighter ,but do not put the light where its needed that why im upgradeing dont waste your money on bulbs
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If you make it down to Georgia, holler. I'll set the test course up again and put a fresh battery in the meter.

I trust Bogdan enough to believe that they're compliant. Unlike IPF.... ....which isn't....
What you have to understand is that DOT compliance isn't hard to acheive, just expensive since the manufacturer has to pay for their own testing. The standard is 55 years old and makes it possible for 6V Beetles to have legal lighting with stock systems. You just have to have the light hit certain markers and miss others; not hard to do but hard to do well.

I would like to go see the Falcons get beat at home by my Saints some day.........

I hear you on the DOT thing. If you ever have the displeasure of driving a first gen Lincoln Mark VIII with the standard halogen headlights at night, you will truly know the meaning of scary. The WORST headlights ever put on a production car. What made it even worse is that production car was $35-$40k when new. I guess they figured old people didn't drive at night. There were NO retrofits, and swapping the bulbs was pointless. The only thing that made them useable was an aftermarket HID kit, which is the way most of us went, and they were still not great. You could upgrade to the factory HID headlights, but the housings were made of unobtanium and commonly cost upwards of $700-$800 per set. Not to mention the HID bulb was obsolete, so once the factory HID bulb quit, you had to hack an different bulb to work.
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I currently have the piaa h13 bulbs they are slightly brighter ,but do not put the light where its needed that why im upgradeing dont waste your money on bulbs
Are they standard 60/55 watt? If not, take them out ASAP!! You will eventually melt the factory wiring with higher watt bulbs in the JK.
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Well since I asked I followed the suggestion on the Phillips H13's and ordered them off Amazon for $33.00 including shipping.......I'll give it a try.

Tonight in driving rain I used my fogs w/headlights and it was bearly ok for my older eyes.

I could have used my IPF 968's mounted on the front bumper.........but those suckers are VERY hard on an oncoming driver so they stay off until I hit the woods.

I appreciate the information.

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