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Old 09-06-2010, 08:54 PM   #1
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JK High Beams practically useless

I find I drive around with the low beams and fog lights on and have MUCH better visibility than with the high beams. Is there a cool fuse glitch like in the TJs to where you can have your fog/driving lights on with the high beams?

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i want to know the same thing.

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yup....I hate the high beams too.......and I'm in deer country where such things matter !
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Old 09-06-2010, 10:18 PM   #4
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I'm strongly considering putting some HID's in my foglights.
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i want to know the same thing.
X2. This would be a great find if there is a way to run you fog lights and high beams...
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Old 09-07-2010, 06:50 AM   #6
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Lol! I agree the high beams are useless unless you are coon hunting for coons in the trees. Cuz when I turn my high beams on they shine in the trees.
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worst case scenario you can power the fogs directly from the battery and use an aftermarket toggle switch and relay.
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I've posted headlight threads a-many. So many, in fact, that I'm pretty sick of it...

Foglights, due to their placement, intent, focus, etc, provide too much foreground lighting to be effective as headlight supplements at speeds over 25 mph. They're for fog, for finding the edge of the road as you creep along.
Putting rebased HID capsules in your foglights will only benefit you offroad; using them on the street would be very illegal.

That all said, here's a link to what I did to my headlights to make them work better. There are threads on this forum too but "search" doesn't work well here.
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I'm strongly considering putting some HID's in my foglights.
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I was surprised to learn in Oregon that using fog lights with high beams is against state DOT regulations.

Besides, of course, what the physics of the very need for 'fog lights' vs long penetrating intense light beam is.

Thanks for your notes Hilldweller.
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I was surprised to learn in Oregon that using fog lights with high beams is against state DOT regulations.

Besides, of course, what the physics of the very need for 'fog lights' vs long penetrating intense light beam is.

Thanks for your notes Hilldweller.
No problem.

The aforementioned foreground light produced by your foglights would cause your pupils to constrict rather than dilate while the highbeams are on. Since you want your eyes to gather as much light as possible when you're running your highbeams, you want them dilated. Hence the gummint made it illegal to run the two simultaneously; most people know this physiological fact but don't put 2 and 2 together.

Side note. The alarmingly popular blue tinted bulbs (Sylvania Silverstars, PIAA, IPF, etc) that are flooding the market have a very similar effect on pupil dilation; the short wavelengths of light actually focus in front of your retina rather than on it. There are other reasons to avoid these bulbs but this is a big one.
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In my opinion the low beams are almost as useless as the high beams. Using the combo low beams and fog lights does work better than just high beams by themselves. It may be just my JK but when I tried to use high beams and fog lights together the fog lights automatically shut off. Xenon HID is the way to go. I'm going with this set-up:


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Slight threadjack, I have read a lot of Hilldweller post on lights and how to improve the ones on the JKs that I added to purchase to the list of mods. This weekend my wife is driving us home from dinner (too many beers on my part) and states the lights on the Jeep suck. I tell her that I have it on the list of mods to the Jeep and she asked that it be move to the top. I just placed my order with Rallylights and they will be here by the end of the week.

Thanks for the great info Hilldweller!
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Old 09-07-2010, 02:26 PM   #14
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I could just drive around with only my parking lights on if I wanted my pupils to dilate. instead, I'd rather have the road lit up from my bumper to as far down the road as possible when I hit the high beams. On my TJ, allowing my fogs to be on with the high beams helps tremendously over just the highs by themselves. That's all I'm looking for with my JK. I just want to light up my way as best as possible and I'd prefer to do it without spending hundreds of dollars upgrading the headlights. Simply adding the ability for the fogs to be on at the same time works wonders.

So... if there's a fuse/relay trick for the JKs like there is for the TJs, I'd love for someone who knows that trick to post it up here. Thanks.
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In my opinion the low beams are almost as useless as the high beams. Using the combo low beams and fog lights does work better than just high beams by themselves. It may be just my JK but when I tried to use high beams and fog lights together the fog lights automatically shut off. Xenon HID is the way to go. I'm going with this set-up:


DELTA BUMPER XENON FOG LIGHTS
Besides smashing those off road,,, they look wayyyyyyyy off center.
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In my opinion the low beams are almost as useless as the high beams. Using the combo low beams and fog lights does work better than just high beams by themselves. It may be just my JK but when I tried to use high beams and fog lights together the fog lights automatically shut off. Xenon HID is the way to go. I'm going with this set-up:


DELTA BUMPER XENON FOG LIGHTS
Unless you properly retrofit an HID reflector or projector, your HID "kit" will be unsafe and illegal.

Please do some research on Candlepower forums in the automotive lighting section before spending money on Delta products.
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I saw an amazing photo story over there at the Candlepower forum, with the effects of the HID blue color lights, being very poor in heavy dark/wet conditions as here in the PNW.

I've driving with friends in their rigs and can not see much even with the ultrabright whatevers.

What lights the things on the road way down there, without blinding the oncoming traffic, is what I need.

Certain lighting conditions don't work well for me.

There are way too many trendy blue-light oncoming cars that are noisome. That I usually ride way above them helps a bunch, but in the passenger car level I have to let others drive at certain times.

I'm looking carefully at supplemental lights for my upcoming Wrangler purchase.
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My favorite combo is the Cibie reflectors (Daniel Stern lighting), wired to the battery using the stock wiring to trip the relay; Stern or Rallylights can build you a plug-n-play harness. Drop in some Osram Rallye 70/65 bulbs and aim them correctly.
Keep the stock fogs and just forget about upgrading them.
Add a pair of Hella 4000 halogen driving lights for the bumper and wire them to come on with the highbeams.
They have a great throw and spread.
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I could be wrong here, but I think most or at least mine are adjusted wrong. Like everyone else here, my low beams are better then my high beams, and it does seem to help running the fog lights with them. I also have just about every other person coming towards me at night, flashing their lights at me to dim mine. When I have my high beams on going down a road with tees along side, you would think I was tree frog hunting. I have never taken it in to get adjusted because I just don't drive that much at night, but I do plan on it in the future.
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Unless you properly retrofit an HID reflector or projector, your HID "kit" will be unsafe and illegal.

Please do some research on Candlepower forums in the automotive lighting section before spending money on Delta products.
I just like the in-bumper lights. I don't care for the lower light rack. That doesn't even make sense for off-roading especially with the areas I drive in--some of the power line roads I drive through have five foot tall trees growing up in the middle of the damn trail. I just bulldoze straight through the trees without a scratch. Yet another reason to love the JK--that heavy duty plastic bumper rocks!
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I could be wrong here, but I think most or at least mine are adjusted wrong.
My JK came from the factory with the headlights pointed up to their fullest adjustment. I was putting out streetlights with my highbeams.
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First let me say I'm a brand new member of this forum and am driving my first ever Jeep. Not my first 4X4 by a long shot but my first Jeep. As delivered the lights on my Wrangler were about worthless. I guess they were set as high as they would go. The low beams got me flashed. Aiming them correctly does wonders for them. Still not the best headlight I've ever sat behind. In fact they are downright sorry compared to the wife's SUV. But I don't drive a lot at night so I can get by. I added some Hella's for when I'm in the boonies after dark. Low beams, fogs, and the Hella's give me plenty of light for that.
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I re-aimed my headlights. they were terribly setup to high. that helped alot but I agree they are not great but about what other vehicles I have had with a two head light system were like. there is worse believe it or not.

law in Manitoba DOT Canada says max 4 headlights on highbeam... so you can ad 2 aux lights legally as long as they are not greater than 65 watts. many cars have for headlight systems light the grand cherokee. it was plenty bright due to the same.
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Downunder in Oztralia we have Hella H4 headlights fitted as stock which are pretty good. I've just replaced them with Cibie Z Beams and Phillips +80 globes and they are now FANTASTIC. Coupled with the Jeep headlight adjustment, they are even better.
I would not even think of HID headlights as they are not legal, and personally I think their beam patterns are RS.
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Downunder in Oztralia we have Hella H4 headlights fitted as stock which are pretty good. I've just replaced them with Cibie Z Beams and Phillips +80 globes and they are now FANTASTIC. Coupled with the Jeep headlight adjustment, they are even better.
I would not even think of HID headlights as they are not legal, and personally I think their beam patterns are RS.

selling your H4 setup?

Cibie Z Beams and phillips +80 globes? do you have links?

I would not run hid in a 2 lamp system or offroad due to the beam cutoff. nice for a GT car. but for a jeep I dont think so....
what is RS stand for?

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