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Old 05-30-2010, 06:44 AM   #1
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JK Steering 'knock'?

I have an '09 JK. I experience what feels to be a knock in the steering column like there is a loose bushing or something - but it is most noticeable in the heat and when the engine has been hot. Small divits in the road or even swinging the steering wheel from one direction to the other makes you feel it.

Dealership is annoying - any thoughts?

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Old 05-30-2010, 07:13 AM   #2
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Welcome to a large group! The klunk or knock is very frustrating and there are many opinions on it. Most agree that it is either the bushing on the steering shaft at the firewall having backed out a bit, or the intermediate shaft. When you look at the bushing there is a flange that in its normal position is about 1/2 to 3/5 inch from the firewall. The second point is the steering intermediate shaft (the one with the two u joints). It has a slip joint under the rubber boot which some believe gets sloppy due to heat. Some have used 5th wheel grease inside the boot and had some relief. I have done this with short term success. I just had my intermediate shaft replaced by the dealer under warranty and it has been fine since.....but some say it will return in time.

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Old 05-30-2010, 09:32 AM   #3
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I think I may have this as well with 3300 miles on the clock. Feels like the front end is loose. Not a Nascar kinda loose but you can feel it through the steering shaft on over to the gas pedal a little. Quite annoying!
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Old 05-30-2010, 10:41 AM   #4
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ok. I also have this on my 2010 with 5500 miles on the ticker.. I was wondering what it could be. I tend to turn the radio down thinking I could hear something but I dont. I feel it more in the pedal than in the steering. Very annoying... What is the fix???
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Old 05-30-2010, 12:03 PM   #5
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When spring hit I had this steering knock too. Only would appear at operating temps and warmer weather.

I solved it by pumping up the boot located on the steering shaft with regular black chassis grease. Be careful though. I damaged my boot with the needle on the grease gun and stabbed a hole through it. It's not really leaking out though.

It's been 7,000 clunk free though since I lubed it with no adverse problems to report. I'll run out to the Jeep and post a pic if anyone is confused of the location to grease.
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Old 05-30-2010, 12:52 PM   #6
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When spring hit I had this steering knock too. Only would appear at operating temps and warmer weather.

I solved it by pumping up the boot located on the steering shaft with regular black chassis grease. Be careful though. I damaged my boot with the needle on the grease gun and stabbed a hole through it. It's not really leaking out though.

It's been 7,000 clunk free though since I lubed it with no adverse problems to report. I'll run out to the Jeep and post a pic if anyone is confused of the location to grease.
GroundHawg...if you could post a pic that would be great!!

Thanks!
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Old 05-30-2010, 01:02 PM   #7
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I took mine wheelin' and it fixed the problem. I'm pretty sure the culprit is pavement. I suggest more dirt and rocks. At least it worked for me.
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Old 05-30-2010, 01:43 PM   #8
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Sure. This is what needs greased.



it's located on the driver's side. Pop open the hood, and that boot is on the steering shaft 1/2 way down near the alternator. I'll snap more pics if your still having trouble.

Learn from my mistake. Remove the metal clamp securing the boot to fill it. I tried to slip the grease needle under it. I slipped and poked a hole in the boot...so I just filled it that way

good idea to grease it every oil change. I'm trying to find out how many miles it'll last though without adding grease.
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Old 05-30-2010, 04:45 PM   #9
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Thanks for taking the time to take the photo. It is appreciated! So you just pump the boot full of grease????
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Old 05-30-2010, 04:59 PM   #10
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Thanks for taking the time to take the photo. It is appreciated! So you just pump the boot full of grease????
Yes sir. It'll take a good amount. I pump my gun around 20 times. After that, squeeze the boot and you'll feel how full it is. Squish it around well so grease gets down into that joint good.

Afterwards, you'll feel a little tension at times in the steering wheel. Nothing major or alarming. And that clunk should have disappeared.

While your pumping the boot...grab the steering shaft and try to wiggle it. It should have zero play.
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Is this something that can hurt the rig in the long run? Or just an annoyance?
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Old 05-30-2010, 08:46 PM   #12
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Just an annoyance. It's caused by that exhaust port located under the shaft heating it up, causing 2 different metal alloys to expand at different rates. Basically, just loose tolerances.

However if your steering shaft is loose due to the firewall bushing, letting that go may cause poor steering over time which isn't very safe.

If the steering shaft doesn't wiggle or have play in it it's safe. Greasing the joint won't hurt nothing, and a joint related clunk won't cause long term problems.
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Old 05-30-2010, 09:57 PM   #13
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I just greased my intermediate shaft today. Seems to of done the trick. I used some tractor trailer grease from Tractor Supply Company. I also went a step farther and disconnected the shaft from the top shaft coming out of the firewall. This allows you to really work the grease into the shaft spline. I didn't fill the boot all the way just enough to coat the where the splines slide together.

Do yourself a favor and don't forget to buy a hose clamp to replace the metal clamp that holds the rubber boot on. Plus it will make it easier to regrease in the future.
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Old 06-01-2010, 09:21 PM   #14
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Wow - thank you everyone - I feel better. I want to try these things and will be bringing the laptop out there in the driveway looking for the area in the photo...

My 2007 JK never did this - and was a lease - was disappointed when I purchased this 09 and this happened in summer...

Love the comment about more dirt! Unfortunately, I took it to the sand dunes on west mi and it still did it!

I love my Jeep - and love the community - thanks all!
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Old 06-01-2010, 09:35 PM   #15
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If you need more help finding that boot just ask. I'll take more pics and give directions.

If your facing the Jeep with the hood up, it's on the right hand side (driver). Find the steering wheel in the windshield, now move your eyes straight down. It's a thin black shaft coming out of the wall with a joint a few inches out. Follow it about halfway down and you'll see that boot. Don't forget to replace the hose clamp thing like gem1n1 mentioned if you remove it. Don't tear it like me
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Hi everyone ! My Rubicon CRD has the same problem. I filled the boot with grease but it didn't fix the problem. I wonder if everything starts from the steering box.

What I know is that I don't feel any knock in cold days and before the JK warms up. So I wonder if shielding the shaft from heat or installing a steering fluid cooler could work.
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Hi everyone ! My Rubicon CRD has the same problem. I filled the boot with grease but it didn't fix the problem. I wonder if everything starts from the steering box.

What I know is that I don't feel any knock in cold days and before the JK warms up. So I wonder if shielding the shaft from heat or installing a steering fluid cooler could work.
Grab the steering shift and pull it. Watch where it comes out the firewall. See any play? That bushing goes bad sometimes.
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Old 06-02-2010, 01:55 PM   #18
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Well there's something but I wouldn't call it a play. I would say it's not rock solid.

That bushing can surely generate a noise or a knock but I also feel a little play in the steering wheel when I turn left after I turned right. How could that collar generate this play ?
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Old 06-02-2010, 02:44 PM   #19
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If I grab mine and pull it from the side, it won't move at all. Watch that bushing real close when you pull. If that bushing slips at all that's your culprit.

A little amount of play in the steering wheel is normal. For example, if you are driving straight, turn the wheel a couple degrees, tires still track straight. Anything over a small amount though could be those joints on the end of the tie rod. They'll get worse with time. I saw a 4 door over the winter where you could turn the steering wheel a good 2" before the tires moved. This dopehead had 38's and thought it would be fun to drift around and do doughnuts in the snow

big tires will wear stuff out like that even if you're not beating on shit. So will offroading. If you find this is a reoccuring problem, you're too crazy for the stock steering stabilizer get a better one. Usually that stabilizer is ok up to about a 38" tire though.

That steering play could be the rod itself also. It's not hard to mess one up wheeling, same thing goes for the draglink. Check those 2 things along with the tie rod joint if that shaft doesn't have slop near the firewall.

If all that checks ok, there's this nut behind the steering wheel. It's kind of a PITA so if your under warranty make the dealer do it I've heard it'll loosen itself on people thst get fancy with the steering wheel.

Lastly, check out the steering box. Mine is tight as a drum, others have an ever so slight amount of slop. 1/8" is too much. If that's the case, pray you're under warranty. If not, you'll have to shell out at least $500 for a new box, and possibly new shaft. It's a must repair too. Eventually the shaft will fail and bust. Not fun if your flying down the street at 35+mph.

Slight steering slop is ok. Just watch and make sure it doesn't get worse.
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Thanks for the info !

Today I decided to check my intermediate shaft and collar again: I grabbed the upper intermediate shaft and tried to move it. It looked solid.

Then I did the same with the lower intermediate shaft (between the boot and the steering box) and I found some play in the joint between the shaft and the steering box !!! I don't know why I didn't notice it before but that piece has a play and i hear a knock when I move it !!!

I still don't know if it's due to the bolt that is loose (I don't have a wrench to get till there) or to the C joint.

I'll ask the dealer to check the bolt. If that doesn't work they'll have to replace the lower shaft.
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Old 06-03-2010, 05:00 AM   #21
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Cool. Good luck with everything
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After re-torqueing the bolt on the lower intermediate shaft problem seems fixed !
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Old 08-04-2010, 01:12 PM   #23
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I think I narrowed down my steering clunk to the joint in the steering shaft. When looking at the boot, there is only 1 band holding it on, on the firewall side. There isn't one on the bottom. Is there supposed to be a lower boot band on an 03 TJ ? Just wanted to know before I head out to get grease and a grease gun. Thanks.
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Old 08-04-2010, 09:13 PM   #24
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I get this knocking in the steering as well...also in the gas pedal at the same time. The dealer said that it had something to do with the tranny and is common in newer jk's...let me know if it disappears and I'll do the same thing...Jeff
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OMG!!!!! my 08' does that too; i'm on that tomorrow............. Thanks!
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Old 10-11-2010, 05:24 PM   #26
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GroundHawg; Thx for the pics. I used a grease needle and filled up the boot and the knock is gone. I thought for sure this would be a ball joint or some other suspension component. Greased this up about 3 weeks ago and been fine ever since. Is it the exhaust manifold underneath the boot maybe baking the grease? I drive in TX during the summer in 100+ days.
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Old 10-11-2010, 07:13 PM   #27
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If your Jeep is still under warranty take it in for a intermediate steering shaft replacement. My dealer knew about the problem and didn't even blink an eye to fix it. They even had the part in stock. Apparently there is a replacement part for this issue and it looks like they beefed up the part a little.
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Old 10-12-2010, 06:41 PM   #28
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I did not have the knocking but a creaking in my steering column. They had to order a new column and a clock spring. Went to pick it up and they told me they had to replace a U-joint that is in the column, bone dry from the factory they said. Did not really know there was a U-joint in there but it is fine now.
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Steering clunk

My 2010 JK with 1350 mi. developed this clunk over the past week as soon as weather warmed up. The steering wheel is also off by 1 1/2" to the left. The clunk became much worse then too. I'm calling the dealership garage in morning. Also since day 1 there's been a rumbling vibration coming from the right front wheel area while riding. I wasn't sure if that's normal for Jeep ride, so that will get checked out too.
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I am out of warranty. Anyone have an idea on what the dealership charges for this type of a fix? Either replacing the IS or greasing / tightening?

Thanks for the help/

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