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Old 08-29-2010, 01:11 AM   #1
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Exclamation JK WRANGLER is one of the 5 used cars to avoid

In the Yahoo Home page I read that the JK Wrangler is one of 5 used cars to be avoided!!!.

As per the latest J.D. Power and Associates dependability study and CBS MoneyWatch.com written by Jerry Edgerton on Saturday, August 28, 2010:

"Used car shopping used to be a scary maze of breakdown-prone models, but reliability has gained sharply. Auto manufacturing quality and dependability studies have shown steady gains this decade. But exceptions do exist and if you're in the market for a used car, you want to steer clear of them."

"So CBS MoneyWatch.com has compiled a list of used cars to avoid in five categories, focusing on 2007 models-the year from the latest J.D. Power and Associates dependability study. Buying a three-year-old car also lets you shop after the bulk of depreciation has taken place."


"King of the off-road, the 2007 Wrangler can climb over almost any obstacle except a reliability test. Owners of the two-door version responding to Consumer Reports reported major transmission problems and issues with the electrical system and brakes. And it's selling on dealer lots at a relatively expensive $19,850."

What do you think about the above report?

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Already posted this earlier today.

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Old 08-29-2010, 04:22 AM   #3
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I read the consumer report when I was shopping for a new car

Bought my Jeep later that week.
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Old 08-29-2010, 06:13 AM   #4
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More CR BS.
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Old 08-29-2010, 07:04 AM   #5
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"Don't buy a JK and don't marry a stripper."

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"Owners of the two-door version responding to Consumer Reports reported major transmission problems and issues with the electrical system and brakes"

Well, a year and a half with my '09 and have had ZERO problems or issues with these components or any others, except for stuff I broke myself

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So it's just the 2 door with the tranny' problems, electrical & brakes, ok what a load of bunk.
If everyone listened to these things no one would buy them, look at the problems with Toyota recently, people are still buying them so whatever
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Old 08-29-2010, 08:27 AM   #8
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So it's just the 2 door with the tranny' problems, electrical & brakes, ok what a load of bunk.
If everyone listened to these things no one would buy them, look at the problems with Toyota recently, people are still buying them so whatever
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Old 08-29-2010, 08:35 AM   #9
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Thank goodness for Consumer reports! Obviously these JK's are JUNK!

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Old 08-29-2010, 08:40 AM   #10
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I am convinced that the guys at Consumer Reports are a bunch of goobers that take "a little cash under the table" and car pool to work on their mopeds and hybrids...my 2 cents worth anyway.
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Old 08-29-2010, 08:54 AM   #11
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reports like these never seem to take into account how many people are happy with the product. i ignore consumer reports, and get what i like.
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I have worked in the automotive field since I was 16 years old. Every brand of car has problems no matter what they are. I have heard very little about the jeep brand compared to ford trucks and gm trucks. My father works in a Chrysler dealer and yes the jk's have some problems but no more than any other car or truck that he see there. You just are not gonna ever see a problem free car or truck. They are mass produced for the most part and things just break.
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Old 08-29-2010, 10:50 AM   #13
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Consumer Reports is a good source of information for appliances and other items. It should be noted their auto reporting is done primarily on consumer responses to inquiries; the magazine does buy and check certain vehicles but relies on buyer's reporting for others. Consumer Reports does not take any money or other forms of bribes; in fact they buy the cars "blind" the seller has no idea they are selling to CR.

That report may be based upon on responses from unhappy Jeep users and as we all know most people will bitch about things but rarely take the time to report good results or good service.

A Jeep is as reliable as it's owner; my Jeep has had no problems for 2 years, there again I keep it in great condition and check everything I should to keep it running properly. A neighbor down the road has had his a year and his kid managed to run the thing into the ground, no oil checks or proper tire inflation, the muffler was damaged backing into a tree stump...he now complains about the dealer's charges for repairs!

I know my Jeep is not a BMW and have realistic expectations for performance and ride. It's a great vehicle and runs fine, I expect another 5 years of running with little or no issues. This is my second Jeep and frankly, im my opinion, they are better built now than 5-6 years ago.
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people will always complain when something is wrong, but rarely praise when it's right. you only hear about the bad experiences in these reports.
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I understand the love for Jeeps and I'll eventually buy one when the Pentastar and improved transmission combo shows up but lets be real, the Wrangler has a lot of problems. If you're somebody who wants to buy a car and never have to do any work other than routine maintenance, you better stay far away from a Jeep.
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"a lot of problems"

huh?
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Old 08-29-2010, 11:07 AM   #17
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You gotta admit though, whenever theres some sort of quality/reliability report, whether it be CR or whoever, Chrysler is always on that list. I love my 2 week old Rubi, but I bought that even though Im convinced Chrysler products are crap, drove em exclusively for 17 yrs, got done being a blind loyalist and bought Ford, Toyota, GM and Nissan products (none of which I can say anything bad about). I really hope Chrysler can turn it around, they still seem light years behind Ford n GM at this point.

Keep in mind Im driving a brand new Chrysler product, and I have a very low opinion of the company, how do you think other people feel? Their cheesy looking car/suv interiors drove alot of people away - people would think obviously they skimped on this plastic-y interior, what else did they skimp on? (answer-ALOT!)And can they design a back end? Why on earth do the Charger/Sebring (last gen)/Intrepid/300M (am I missing any here?) all have similiar looking rears?
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I am convinced that the guys at Consumer Reports are a bunch of goobers that take "a little cash under the table" and car pool to work on their mopeds and hybrids...my 2 cents worth anyway.
I've had the opportunity to trade emails with a couple of CR people and their criteria for evaluating vehicles is totally different than that of members of this board. Actually, the "goobers' are pretty car smart and there are even a few enthusiasts there.

Put the shoe on the foot and pretend that you're a hard core environmentalist and somebody posted a story on a FOUR WHEELER test taking a Prious over the Rubicon and how bad it performed.

By the way, they're paid enough that they don't need to take "a little cash under the table".
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Good..more for me!
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Old 08-29-2010, 12:50 PM   #20
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f*** that consumer report. I knew Jeeps scored poorly. I didn't care. I bought my 07 2 door anyway, used. yeah it's transmission sucks. welcome to Chrysler.

you want my honest opinion? every vehicle has flaws and strong points. Civics get good gas mileage and last long, but if you get hit by a semi, due to their size, you're in trouble.

my "terrible" 07...yeah the torque converter chatters a bit, yeah I busted a u-joint on the axle, yes I've overheated my automatic twice. but this Jeep doesn't get babied. it drives 50 miles everyday, 5-6 days a week for work. it does 75% of the running around. it drives 60 miles to Pittsburgh at least once a week. it sees 5,000 RPM regularly offroad. it gets stuck, pulled, reverse redlined, rocks, mud, water, and knocked into trees.

my girlfriend's 06 Cobalt? 10 miles a day. sleeps in a garage. never leaves the street. has lower miles than the Jeep. gets washed regularly and is babied. I've put on 2 wheel bearings, new struts, new rotors, new pads, replaced a leaky brakeline, the center caps always fly off, and installed an exhaust bracket that busted. to top it off it should get a power steering pump as it's been recalled.

I work on that damn Chevy more than the Jeep by a long shot. you make the call on which vehicle at this house is just a bit more reliable.

screw crash tests, safety ratings, MPG, longevity, and "expert" opinions. knowing my way around a vehicle, I know good engineering when I see it. being a machinist, I know quality parts. Jeeps ride rough, tranny's suck, they lack a few comforts. but from CJ's to TJ's, name another vehicle you see on the rode still that gets beat on and matches the age of these machines. I don't see any 81 Cavaliers with the CJ. where's a 93 Civic at to rival a YJ, or even a 98 Lumina to challenge a TJ?

none. the JK gets ripped alot but I promise you the 07-10's at least, you'll see on the road 2020 just like it's older brothers and sisters.

that little consumer report fails to take that into consideration.
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Old 08-29-2010, 01:15 PM   #21
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It's a JEEP thing "they" wouldn't understand
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Old 08-29-2010, 03:41 PM   #22
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ITS OK PEOPLE!!!! Everything will be ok. This just one of those lil things where they gotta pick on some vehicle that so F-ing awsome that they gotta knock on it. So lets just keep taking the blows for now and keep prooving them wrong and going places they only wished they could go.
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I understand the love for Jeeps and I'll eventually buy one when the Pentastar and improved transmission combo shows up but lets be real, the Wrangler has a lot of problems. If you're somebody who wants to buy a car and never have to do any work other than routine maintenance, you better stay far away from a Jeep.
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Anyone have any data on repair frequency on JKs compared to other vehicles. When you look at some car data on how many trips they make to the dealer during their warranty period some are better than others but not by much. And should you not consider the fact that Jeeps are not driven like "other cars".

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I have a friend with a Honda Ridgeline who keeps horanging me because of this type of BS. I still never see any Honda Ridgelines on the trail out there wallowing in the mud, or climbing on rocks in the middle of nowhere. His Ridgeline is really just a street machine and he enjoys it for what it is. Mine does the same PLUS it gets off the beaten path. Something that my Ridgeline friend will probably never have a clue about...so I consider this in how I react.
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I've always had tons more problems with GM cars compared to any other. Besides the bodies rusting to pieces, there were always electrical issues. Can't complain about the Fords, though there were a few problems. All in all, I've had less issues with Chrysler products than any other. I've had a few, and all have been better than average. Had a '54 Plymouth, '68 Suber Bee, '72 Coronet, '86 Charger, and a 2000 Intrepid. The Charger was the only one that had a problem, and it did that with 180K on the clock. Not too bad for a 4 banger. So far, the '05 TJ is doing fine.

I traded a Ford product with 165K on it for my TJ, and I never took a wrench to it in all the time I owned it. Can't say that about any GM product I've had the misfortune to own, including the 2004 Monte in the driveway. I can say it about some of the Chryslers though.
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Old 08-29-2010, 07:53 PM   #27
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You can't believe the Liberals that wrote this article.
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Hilldweller...love to see a picture of JK.....and your wife..lol
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All cars have their problems. I came from a BMW 335i, and even though I loved that car, it had issues.

Google "335i and High Pressure Fuel Pump." You will get articles for days. The major difference though is the cost of repairs. My turbos started to whine on that car and I was quoted about $8,000 for replacement. No thanks.

I will stick with my Jeep for now.
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I'm on my 4th Jeep in 9 years. 3 GCs and now a Wrangler. Took the first GC to ~90,000 miles, had a few issues with power windows, heated seats, and an engine seal issue at ~80,000. Wound up in a Jeep GC Diesel...oh, boy...here we go...had serious issue with the German NAG1 tranny due to a design issue. Dealer obtained a new $9,000 tranny without the design issue and the issue went away. It took about 21 days of the vehicle being in the dealership on 4 trips to the service center over a few months for them to finally fix it. I was at the stage of starting the Lemon Laws with them in NC.

My point here is that it's not just Chrysler, my worst issues were with the German products put into my last GC. I went to a Wrangler to simplify. My thinking is the less crap you have, the less chance you have for issues. I love the utilitarian nature of the Wrangler...don't miss all the "luxury" crap that I had on the GCs (along with their fondness for having issues). Not knocking Germany here (I'm half German ), but there's definitely misconceptions out there about American products.

I've only had my Wrangler for a month, so the honeymoon's still on, but I am looking forward to a simpler vehicle owning experience. I take care of my vehicles, and they have mostly always taken care of me when I needed them to.

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