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Old 06-11-2013, 08:28 PM   #31
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:30 PM   #33
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The visibility out of a JKU is horrible for an offroad rig. I have been in both a FJ and JK, JKUs and the blind spots are just as bad on the JKU to me. Sure you can see out the rear windows a bit better if you twist your body around but that does not change the fack that you can't see over the hood good or see crap out of the tinny mirrors.

Of course if the doors are off you can see great out of one on the trail as long as you don't need to see over the hood when you are on an incline.
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:32 PM   #34
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As long as the top and doors don't come off the FJ, I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree.
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:36 PM   #35
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I don't care about doors and top...I may be a rarity. I prefer my hardtop. So that part does not bias me. The IFS does make it easier to go faster on the FJ on easier trails. I actually like the FJ enough. When it gets tougher though, the stockish FJs do have to be more careful or they will get hung up easier, plus they seem to be wider. With rear lockers and 33s/35s, they can pretty much do anything but the most extreme stuff that truly need articulation. If my GF would not be depressed if I sold my V8 4Runner, I'd probably get a FJ to keep my JK company. Overall, the Wrangler is more capable on the slow/rough stuff. Most people never get on those type of trails. That is my opinion anyway.
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To add insult to injury, the FJ is ugly as hell.
This needs to be emphasised. It looks like the overfed offspring of an H2.

If I was going to buy a Toyota I'd buy a 4Runner ahead of an FJ.
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Of course if the doors are off you can see great out of one on the trail as long as you don't need to see over the hood when you are on an incline.
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I would have never considered an FJ. That being said, when I first test drove a Wrangler it was not on my short list either. The Jeep won out over a Camaro 2ss convertible, BMW 650i convertible and a Mustang GT convertible. I did not buy the Wrangler for its off-roading ability. I bought it because it was the only convertible that sat up high like a truck, could tow a small boat and I could do all sorts of mods to it. Convertible top out weighed horse power in this case. Now that I own it I enjoy taking if off-road, but I don't see it ever being a rock crawler. The FJ to me is just an SUV. There is nothing particularly unique about it.
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Is the FJ unibody or body on frame?
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I looked hard at the 2013 Cement trails edition with all the fancy buttons.

My wife made me come to my senses and said you know you can't take that top off and 2 months down the road you will be pissed for buying it Ha ha

So, I waited 4 months and picked up a 10A Rubi.

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So I have some insight. I just sold my FJ for a jeep. They both have their advantages. You have to compare apples to apples, so lets look at the stock JKU vs. the stock FJ. They can roughly run the same tires and have relatively the same power. The jeep has more travel with the SFA, however the FJ has a MUCH better break over angle. Most of both of these come with a rear locker. The FJ has the a-trac system that works in conjunction with the rear locker. This is a big advantage to the FJ. This is negated with the rubicon front locker ( but most jeeps don't have this). The comfort drive of the FJ is superior to the jeep. So for your light to moderate wheeling with a mainly stock vehicle, I give the FJ the win.

Now for moderately modded vehicles the immediate advantage goes to the jeep. The FJ really struggles to run anything greater than 33s. The ability to get the 4:10 gears makes it much easier along with the SFA to run 35s. The jeep is easier to lift without stressing the drive train. The IFS is really limited to a 3" lift. However for moderate wheeling 33s and 3" lift are sufficient. This one is about a tie, but I am going to say FJ unless you compare it to the rubicon ( or jeep with a front locker).

Now for difficult trails/wheeling. The FJ has met it's limit. The lack of ability to run larger tires, lack of front locker, limited lift ability, and IFS keep it from really being a hard core crawler. It's shorter wheel base combined with limited travel from the IFS make it very tippy. At this level, the clear win goes to the jeep.

So there you go, my 2 cent (which are worth less than actual 2 cent).

EDIT: I sold the FJ because I am wheeling the more difficult stuff now. Probably less than 10% of FJ and jeep owners are using their vehicles in a way that it would ever matter. Both are great vehicles.
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Is the FJ unibody or body on frame?
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Old 06-11-2013, 09:01 PM   #43
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The Wrangler is more purpose-built. The FJ is a fine and capable SUV.
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Oh, are we doing this thread again? I didn't realize it was time to re-hash this topic. Has anybody got 'around to posting the same videos that go with the same points every time this discuss comes up?

Honestly, I thought it was Jeep versus Defender up next in the rotation, followed by H3 again, then back to FJ...I must have made up my notes incorrectly.
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Is the FJ unibody or body on frame?
body on frame. The underlying chassis originated from the Toyota Land Cruiser Prado.

Anyways I have both a 2013 JK Rubi and a 2008 FJ . Different vehicles, love them both.
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body on frame. The underlying chassis originated from the Toyota Land Cruiser Prado.

Anyways I have both a 2013 JK Rubi and a 2008 FJ . Different vehicles, love them both.
Hey, I drove Prado's when I was deployed in Africa, Land Rover Defender's too!
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I've actually owned a FJ Cruiser.

I can't speak for it's off-road attributes, but I'm sure it's more than capable for 99% of people who will be taking it on a trail, dirt road, etc. Same for the wrangler.

The FJ was a fun vehicle to own. I had a 2009, and I was pretty impressed with it's handling and acceleration (for what it is). There is one very annoying thing about it though...the rear suicide doors. Trust me, the novelty wears off within a week.

Both companies promote the off-road capabilities, but honestly...just the ability to take the top, and doors off really puts the jeep in a different category. I wouldn't necessarily say a better category, just different. If that's important to you go for the jeep. That's why I want one!
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The JKU is just as bad.
Having owned both I would disagree. Not that visibility is the best in the JKU, but I would definitely say it was an improvement.
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Of course if the doors are off you can see great out of one on the trail as long as you don't need to see over the hood when you are on an incline.
No lie!

There is just about nothing that will make me stop and get out of the truck and have a look around faster than coming to a funky little ridge top and having no bloody idea if its an 8000foot drop from here, or just a nice pumice flat, with a hotel and girls in bikinis.

So far its been neither.
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That was a fun read... Toyota owners might be more realistic than I always thought they were... There seems to be a solid understanding that their truck is really great at a lot of things, and then for the other stuff you need a jeep.

Pretty fair and balanced discussion... Imagine if we could be like that here!
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Even if the FJ's were better, I'll never get over the fact that they're shaped like a Dung Beetle.
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Sounds like he's from somewhere around Atlantic city and darn good at his job. All I see are FJs there.

Now if he was talking about something like an FJ40, then I could see some truth in his words, but the new FJs can do the same things a bronco 2 or Isuzu trooper or pretty much any other run of the mill 4x4 SUV can do..... Now a wrangler on the other hand is purpose built to be better than any other stock production vehicle where the pavement ends....
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Pretty fair and balanced discussion... Imagine if we could be like that here!
I am not holding my breath on that one.
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If someone has pointed this out already I apologize, FJ= Fake Jeep
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Even if the FJ's were better, I'll never get over the fact that they're shaped like a Dung Beetle.
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Yep lol here's a fj that was getting winched to the right because he got stuck and almost flipped.
Couldnt make the turn and no articulation.



Now they are reliable, good power, smooth off road with ifs not great for crawling or nasty stuff...we get stuck behind them on the harder trails not the hardest don't see em there but been stuck behind em am few times heavily modified and a bit over their head still....
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I have and like both. Wife has her FJ with an OME lift and trail grapplers and I have my JKU with an AEV and Duratracs.

Both are great just a little different in purpose.

For the record, we've had her FJ for almost 6 years now and aside from scheduled maintenance, the only thing I've had to do to it AT ALL was a new light bulb and a new battery a couple years ago. She loves her truck.

We dont rock crawl "hardcore" trails so either one is good for us. Plus we get to give each other crap all the time for our vehicle choices, lol.

Both good.
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Good info. Lifelong jeep driver here, but it's always nice to have options...and while I wouldn't personally own an FJ, Toyota's reliability is pretty legendary.

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