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Old 11-29-2010, 09:53 AM   #1
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Jumping out of gear in my 2011......

Yesterday I was almost the cause of an accident at a 4-way intersection close to my home thanks to my 3 week old Wrangler jumping out of 2nd gear. Turning left, midway through the intersection, oncoming traffic bearing down on me, it pops from 2nd into neutral and I'm just coasting. I put it in 3rd and lumbered out of harms way. Luckily my baby wasn't in the car at the time. Seems the jeep doesn't like chilly weather (-1c) and until the transmission warms it will pop out of 2nd & 4th.

1st, 3rd, and 5th have a great notchy positive feel about them while 2nd, 4th and 6th feel like mush. No detent at all. In all my years of driving stick (never owned an auto) the shifting is unique and downright dangerous.

Called the stealership and the service tech says "I've seen this before and know what the problem is (rubber boot) and know how to fix it. Then he says "but wait, this is a 2011.....they should have fixed this by now". Ya think!!!

Appointment is Wed, 8:30am. Fingers crossed .

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I've seen a number of posts on this in different forums.

If you google this you will find a TON of information on it.

One thing I keep seeing is that the shift boot could be the culprit. There are other causes too, but this one is pretty common.

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Old 11-29-2010, 09:58 AM   #3
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mine will jump out of third if I half ass the clutch and not put it down all the way. make sure your clutch is all the way engaged and make sure you firmly shift it all the way into gear.
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Mine popped out of 4th this morning ..... has done it every frosty day so far.
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Havent experianced anything yet still have issues putting it in sixth thinking its going in to reverse but most of the time i always have my hand on the shifter when driving
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Old 11-29-2010, 01:01 PM   #6
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Yesterday I was almost the cause of an accident at a 4-way intersection close to my home thanks to my 3 week old Wrangler jumping out of 2nd gear. Turning left, midway through the intersection, oncoming traffic bearing down on me, it pops from 2nd into neutral and I'm just coasting. I put it in 3rd and lumbered out of harms way. Luckily my baby wasn't in the car at the time. Seems the jeep doesn't like chilly weather (-1c) and until the transmission warms it will pop out of 2nd & 4th.

1st, 3rd, and 5th have a great notchy positive feel about them while 2nd, 4th and 6th feel like mush. No detent at all. In all my years of driving stick (never owned an auto) the shifting is unique and downright dangerous.

Called the stealership and the service tech says "I've seen this before and know what the problem is (rubber boot) and know how to fix it. Then he says "but wait, this is a 2011.....they should have fixed this by now". Ya think!!!

Appointment is Wed, 8:30am. Fingers crossed .
Chrysler said recently,that they are sending 300 million dollars to the "tranmission plant" in Ohio(for research).
To me ,that is a testament,that they know their transmissions are not worth a damn.

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Old 11-29-2010, 01:01 PM   #7
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The cheap fix is to replaced the Rubber/Plastic boot with a leather one.
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Old 11-29-2010, 01:20 PM   #8
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The cheap fix is to replaced the Rubber/Plastic boot with a leather one.
Actually, the cheap fix is to take it to the dealer to get it fixed for free. They've been fixing this issue for the past 5 years, they should be good at it by now.
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Old 11-29-2010, 01:24 PM   #9
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The cheap fix is to replaced the Rubber/Plastic boot with a leather one.
When I returned home I sat in my driveway with the Jeep running, clutch fully depressed and ran it through the lower gate positions (2nd, 4th, 6th). I tried to adjust the outer boot from upward cone shape to squished down on itself. Made no difference. Something is binding internally and is forcing the shifter out of the downward shift position back up to neutral. After 20min of driving when the transmission warms and softens the boots it will stay in gear...but just barely. The slightest pressure on the stick will bump it out of gear back to neutral. Very annoying to have to worry so much about shifting instead of just driving. Takes the natural flow and joy out of driving a manual gearbox.
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Old 11-29-2010, 01:28 PM   #10
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I think they'll have to adjust the inner boot and sled to allow you to shift into 2,4, and 6. Do a search on JOG and see if anything turns up.
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Old 11-29-2010, 02:57 PM   #11
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I have a 2011 sport and it does the exact same thing. 2nd and 4th pops out all the time. 1st and 3rd lock in great. If i push the clutch in i dont even have to touch the shifter and it will automatically roll out of 2nd and 4th.
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Leather boot would look nicer than the rubber do you think its available for the 2010's
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Old 11-29-2010, 04:23 PM   #13
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I have a 2011 sport and it does the exact same thing. 2nd and 4th pops out all the time. 1st and 3rd lock in great. If i push the clutch in i dont even have to touch the shifter and it will automatically roll out of 2nd and 4th.
C'mon... you must be shi**ing me. Have you voiced your concern to your dealer? Rolling out of gear just by depressing the clutch is pathetic. Whomever does the final factory inspection on these 6spd Jeeps must be enjoying a liquid lunch on a regular basis or drives an automatic and has no clue whatsoever how a proper shift should feel. In any case, get it checked out. It's damaging to the transmission when the shifter is constantly thrown out, not to mention life threatening in traffic.
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4th and sometimes 2nd poping out while cold

I bought a black 2011 Wrangler X about two weeks ago, which now has 300 miles on it. It continually pops out of fourth, and now sometimes 2nd, when the weather is cold out. The gears feels like mesh when pulled down as opposed to the upper gears (1st, 3rd, 5th) which really hold.
I am bringing it in for service tomorrow. Plus the frame of my soft top is twisted and will not go back properly. There is a sharp piece from it actually trying to push through the roof. I fear that by the time I get there the transmission will be warmed up and they will detect no issue, but I'll hold my ground and let you all know how it goes.
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Old 12-20-2010, 04:44 PM   #15
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Follow-up...

Hi Glen. The issue is caused by the upper shifter boot and inner boot stiffening in the cold. Until there is a proper redesign of the boot(s) just leave your Jeep parked with the shifter in reverse gear. The owners manual recommends leaving the Jeep in reverse when parked. You won't have any problems cold shifting using this method. I had mine to the dealer already and they replaced the inner boot with the exact same part and there was no improvement whatsoever. Let me know how you make out at the dealer.
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I brought the Jeep in today. They were able to adjust/fix the soft top.
But as for the popping out of gear, they could not "duplicate" the problem. They had me take a ride with the tech, but by then the Jeep was warm. They want me to leave the Jeep overnight so they can try it out in the morning. According to them Chrysler has no reports of this happening with the 2011s. The problem pre-2011 has supposedly been fixed with the new boots there using. Thank you for the advice Andrew. I just put the Jeep in reverse and I'm interested to see how this works tomorrow. I’ll let you know...
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C'mon... you must be shi**ing me. Have you voiced your concern to your dealer? Rolling out of gear just by depressing the clutch is pathetic. Whomever does the final factory inspection on these 6spd Jeeps must be enjoying a liquid lunch on a regular basis or drives an automatic and has no clue whatsoever how a proper shift should feel. In any case, get it checked out. It's damaging to the transmission when the shifter is constantly thrown out, not to mention life threatening in traffic.
Did the dealer get your issue fixed? If so, what was the solution?
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According to them Chrysler has no reports of this happening with the 2011s. The problem pre-2011 has supposedly been fixed with the new boots there using.
It obviously hasn't been fixed... I've seen more than a dozen people on this and other forums with the issue.

I ran mine up the flagpole with the Jeep quality department, so they know about it...

I've cut the outer boot out of mine in the near term:
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/col...tml#post917373
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Old 12-21-2010, 08:36 AM   #18
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i haven't encountered this problem yet w/my 2010
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Before i bought my 2011 auto rubi I was dead set on getting the manual. The manual had 2 miles on it when I test drove it and it popped out of 3 and 6th gear the whole ride. The dealer asked to drive it back and he had to hold it in gear to keep it from popping out stating it just has to warm up! I knew then he didn't know wtf he was talking about! Not worth my time to go back and forth after paying more than $30,000 on any vehicle.
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I have a 2011 and it pops out of 4th constantly and 2nd occasionally. I left the Jeep in reverse overnight. I had no problems today. Thanks for the advice Andrew. I look forward to Jeep coming up with a proper fix though.
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I am sorry to hear all of these problems. I just want you all to know that everybody that is having the issue seems to be in some cold climate. I live in AZ and 52 is about as cold as it has gotten this year. I have 2010 with a manual and have had no popping out of gear issues. So that makes me believe that it is most likely a cold and boot issue as others have stated.
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Old 12-21-2010, 09:46 PM   #22
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I reported the matter to the following link. Is the this the correct organization?
https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/online.cfm
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Old 12-22-2010, 10:53 AM   #23
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I had a 10 Rubicon popping out of first gear regularly in the summer months. I was told by the dealer that there was a Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) on the issue. A month later when I got the Jeep back (thankfully I had a nice RAM loaner), they had replaced the entire synchronizer. It turned out that my trans was the European spec (or so I was tolad) which parts weren't readily avaialble for. The good news is that it resolved the problem completely, it never shifted better...
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For the 2011s, it is not the transmission--it is the boot.
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After reading your posts I felt for sure I had the same problem. Armed with this informaton and a video that I took from my phone I went into dealership and told them about the shifter problem. After seeing the video and test driving my 2011 rubicon they said that it was in fact jumping out of 2,4,6. They said that there are three shift boots on the shifter (upper, middle, and lower). The middle shift boot had worked its way down the shifter and was interfering with the detents of the shifter. They said they raised the middle boot past some "detent" on the shifter handle and that fixed it. They said most likely it was an assembly error. I have not had the problem since then.
If it will help I can always post the dealer's name and number so that your dealer can get help if they are not helping you.
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I almost forgot they said that after mine they tested several on their lot and they had the same issue.

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Old 01-05-2011, 03:09 PM   #27
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don't think its a cold thing, I live in South Florida 2011 with less then 2000 miles, mine pop out of 4 all the time
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f-ed up is happening to '11s too
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take it to the dealer , there is a tsb on the wrangler jumping out of gear. just had my transmission replaced bc of it
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Old 01-06-2011, 12:50 AM   #30
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Is the TSB on a 2011 Jeep Wrangler?
If so, where can I find it?

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