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Old 12-09-2013, 05:13 PM   #1
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Just did a test drive, now a few questions

Hi all,
Ive been lurking on here and reading for the past few days about the JKs. The jeep bug bit me a long time ago and I am not ready to finally get one. I went and drove a two door sport and a four door sahara today, both automatics. I am looking for a rubicon with a manual but they did not have either.
I love the look of the two door, just feels more like a jeep. Kinda brings back memories of riding around with grandpa in his CJ-7. But when I sat in it, it felt very cramped. I felt like I was right up on the steering wheel. Would be fine for off road but on long drives I think it would get uncomfortable. Other than that, it seemed to have substantially more body roll than the sahara four door. Is this a difference between the two and four door or a difference in suspension from sahara and sport.

Now the four door: felt much more comfortable in the drivers seat, had a lot of nice options and I like the extra room inside. I just cant really get over the look of it. No offense to you four door guys, I do think they look good, its just not for me. Thing is, I'd rather have a more comfortable drive in a slightly "uglier" vehicle then a cramped ride in one that I think looks better.

So it comes down to:
1. Is the body roll in the two door because its a two door or cheaper suspension of the sport vs sahara.
2. Is there any way to gain some leg room in the two door? I looked at Misch seat brackets but they aren't for the 2014 yet. I might be able to fab something up but didn't look at it closely.

I'm itching to pull the trigger and get this thing ordered but Im driving myself crazy trying to decide between the two. I don't really need the space of the 4 door either because I have a GMC 2500 long bed diesel truck that I can use to haul/tow whatever I need. The jeep will be replacing the truck as a DD and trail rig.

Thanks in advance for all the helpful info already on this site, looks to be a great community.

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The 2 door vs is 4 door debate is a very long and tiresome battle.

The suspension is the same by model, but 4 doors of the same model tend to have stiffer springs over their 2 door counterpart.

My suggestion.

If you want a manual Rubi...order one. Don't settle for an auto Sahara simply because it is on the lot.

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Second the order what you want department...

And once you take the top and doors off, the look will improve.
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The longer wheelbase will always have a better ride. Like mentioned... The 2 vs 4 door debate has long gone on. It's your choice my friend.

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Thanks for the input! Im definitely sticking with a manual rubicon, I just drove those two because its what they had on the lot. Ya know, to get a feel for the new wranglers. I am just having a hard time deciding between the two vs four door. I agree, there are a thousand threads on the subject. But I couldnt find anything definitive on the question about lengthening the leg room in the two door. Kinda weird because the jeep website shows the 2 and 4 door have the same leg room.
Im so used to my stiff suspension in the truck that I can take corners pretty quick in, it surprised me how much the two door "rolled" but I suppose thats just something to get used to. I highly doubt its any more unsafe than the four door.
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If you want a manual Rubi...order one. Don't settle for an auto Sahara simply because it is on the lot.
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Yes, the front end is identical. Leg room is the same.
A simple shock upgrade will better the feel of the 2 door.
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Yes, the front end is identical. Leg room is the same.
A simple shock upgrade will better the feel of the 2 door.
Thats good to know. Maybe there was just something on the two door I drove that wouldnt let the front seat go back as far as the one in the sahara four door. Either way i dont think I am going to let a seat mount keep me from ordering the two door. Worst case scenario ill make my own brackets. Thats the fun thing about jeep, right? Making what you need and making it your own.
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I like my 2 door. I have no complaints about the ride. It actually rides better than the Trailblazer LS that's in the family. Not quite as good as the Journey, but I didn't expect it to either. Firmly in the middle. The fact that it rides better (to me) than a full-sized truck-based SUV kind of surprised me.

The back seats are a pain to get to, but I didn't buy my Wrangler as a people hauler. I'm a single d00d with no kids so I don't have to worry about it. I may even pull the back seat out, since it's a pain storing the freedom panels with it there anyway.

Get whichever would be more convenient for you. It's no secret that more people are going 4-door than 2-door these days and 4-doors seem to be a lot more common. Either way I'll still wave if I see you in the other lane!
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Thanks for the input! Im definitely sticking with a manual rubicon, I just drove those two because its what they had on the lot. Ya know, to get a feel for the new wranglers. I am just having a hard time deciding between the two vs four door. I agree, there are a thousand threads on the subject. But I couldnt find anything definitive on the question about lengthening the leg room in the two door. Kinda weird because the jeep website shows the 2 and 4 door have the same leg room.
Im so used to my stiff suspension in the truck that I can take corners pretty quick in, it surprised me how much the two door "rolled" but I suppose thats just something to get used to. I highly doubt its any more unsafe than the four door.
I'm 6'4", 230lbs and perfectly comfortable in the driver's seat of the two door. I was not aware that the 4dr offered anymore front seat legroom than the 2dr. Are you sure that you had everything adjusted correctly? The seat obviously moves front to rear, reclines, and has a height adjustment. My work truck is a crew cab RAM 2500...just as much space in the drivers seat in the Jeep.
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Welcome, I would suggest you drive a manual before ordering one, I for one did not like the feel.
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The 2 door vs is 4 door debate is a very long and tiresome battle.

The suspension is the same by model, but 4 doors of the same model tend to have stiffer springs over their 2 door counterpart.

My suggestion.

If you want a manual Rubi...order one. Don't settle for an auto Sahara simply because it is on the lot.
False. Newer Sahara's have gas shocks. That is why there was less body roll.
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Welcome, I would suggest you drive a manual before ordering one, I for one did not like the feel.
Thanks, will do. One of the main reasons for getting a jeep was getting a manual. All of my vehicles up until my new truck have been manuals and I miss the feel.
What was it that you didnt like?

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False. Newer Sahara's have gas shocks. That is why there was less body roll.
Thanks for that, clears up the body roll issue/question. Glad to see its just in the shocks.


edit: just looking through some threads on the 4 door JKs on 35s and 37s. Once you get them up in the air with some decent tires they look really nice. I'm just not sure how quickly I'd be able to do that. I do intend to run 35s, if not 37s, eventually.

Which raises another question, and one im still searching so dont flame me for not searching as im sure it has been asked before. Will the stock rubi axles hold up to 37s (or at least with a little work). If not, i may be better off getting a sahara or sport and then throwing some one tons under there down the road. Much more expensive. I'd like to be able to gusset/sleve the rubi 44 with some RCV shafts and be able to comfortably wheel 37s if thats possible.
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Thanks, will do. One of the main reasons for getting a jeep was getting a manual. All of my vehicles up until my new truck have been manuals and I miss the feel. What was it that you didnt like? Thanks for that, clears up the body roll issue/question. Glad to see its just in the shocks. edit: just looking through some threads on the 4 door JKs on 35s and 37s. Once you get them up in the air with some decent tires they look really nice. I'm just not sure how quickly I'd be able to do that. I do intend to run 35s, if not 37s, eventually. Which raises another question, and one im still searching so dont flame me for not searching as im sure it has been asked before. Will the stock rubi axles hold up to 37s (or at least with a little work). If not, i may be better off getting a sahara or sport and then throwing some one tons under there down the road. Much more expensive. I'd like to be able to gusset/sleve the rubi 44 with some RCV shafts and be able to comfortably wheel 37s if thats possible.
Housings are the same 30/44 The Rubi 44 has stronger axles/u-joints and R&p. the 4:10's with 3.6 will move a 37" well. You will need to gusset/truss or sleeve and new ball joints regardless of axle.

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Housings are the same 30/44 The Rubi 44 has stronger axles/u-joints and R&p. the 4:10's with 3.6 will move a 37" well. You will need to gusset/truss or sleeve and new ball joints regardless of axle.

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Ok thanks, ill stick with the rubicon. (i want to anyway, but started to second guess myself, needed that little "push").
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Thanks for the input! Im definitely sticking with a manual rubicon, I just drove those two because its what they had on the lot. Ya know, to get a feel for the new wranglers. I am just having a hard time deciding between the two vs four door. I agree, there are a thousand threads on the subject. But I couldnt find anything definitive on the question about lengthening the leg room in the two door. Kinda weird because the jeep website shows the 2 and 4 door have the same leg room.
Im so used to my stiff suspension in the truck that I can take corners pretty quick in, it surprised me how much the two door "rolled" but I suppose thats just something to get used to. I highly doubt its any more unsafe than the four door.
So, I'm in the somewhat unique situation where I own a 2-door, and a 4-door. The 2-door is my daily driver, and the 4-door is my wife's.

So i drive a 2-door on my long commute, and one the weekends and whatever, when my wife and our daughter are out on family outings, we're usually in the 4-door.

When i get in the 4-door, it _feels_ like a totally different vehicle. i cant explain it really, it feels wider, even though theyre the same dimensions, it certainly feels longer (well, because it is, duh).

However, this is all perception i think. The legroom is, as far as I can tell, identical in the front seats of both. However, the room in the back seat is drastically different. In order for me to get enough leg room to drive comfortably (and im a relatively short guy, 5'10"), I have the seat pretty far back. An adult doesnt have a lot of room to sit behind me. That being said, my carpool buddy is pretty tall, like 6'6" or so, and he's comfortable in the passenger seat.

I have had people say to me, after moments of sitting in my 2-door for the first time, how compact they say it feels. I've been driving jeeps for 14 years though, so to me, its the most comfortable jeep ive ever been in.

All that being said, i'm considering a trade-in on a 4-door next year sometime. My reasons are different than yours. our family is expanding in June, and as much as i like the 2-door, i think the extra room is going to be important. There's other reasons that I wont go into here, they are me-specific and not likely to help you in your decision.


Something else to consider. If you have no need for the longer vehicle, capability could come into play. The 2-door is more maneuverable, like the classic wrangler. The 4-door is longer, so it has a wider turning radius. The 4-door is also more stable on steep inclines/declines off-road. But its got a much worse break over angle because of the long wheelbase.

Anyway, this debate has gone on forever, everyone has their own reasons for the model they picked. Hope this helps you.
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False. Newer Sahara's have gas shocks. That is why there was less body roll.
Yup, I am aware of that , that is why I said by model. As in two door sport vs four door sport, not Sport vs Sahara.
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also, my 2-door is manual, and the 4-door is auto.

All of my wranglers have been manual, and this one's no different. I love the 6-speed manual. I'm unimpressed by the 5-speed auto. My wife wont drive anything but an auto, so it works for her.
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Welcome, I would suggest you drive a manual before ordering one, I for one did not like the feel.
X2 - totally agree. I was very dedicated to going back into a manual tranny, even after I test drove one. Then on the day of placing the order, we drove several flavors (all 4-door), manual vs. auto, 3.21 vs. 3.73, Sahara vs. Sport, etc. I really thought the manual felt sloppier and just less solid somehow (to me anyway). I also don't know if this is really true, but just trolling the forum here, it seems that I've seen more threads about issues with the manual drivetrain vs. the auto, but again, that's just how it seems from my trolling.

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So, I'm in the somewhat unique situation where I own a 2-door, and a 4-door. The 2-door is my daily driver, and the 4-door is my wife's.
Thanks! great to hear the opinion of someone who has had both.

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Yup, I am aware of that , that is why I said by model. As in two door sport vs four door sport, not Sport vs Sahara.
I had misread your post. I thought when you said model by model you meant all 2 doors would be the same and all 4 doors would be the same.

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X2 - totally agree. I was very dedicated to going back into a manual tranny, even after I test drove one. Then on the day of placing the order, we drove several flavors (all 4-door), manual vs. auto, 3.21 vs. 3.73, Sahara vs. Sport, etc. I really thought the manual felt sloppier and just less solid somehow (to me anyway). I also don't know if this is really true, but just trolling the forum here, it seems that I've seen more threads about issues with the manual drivetrain vs. the auto, but again, that's just how it seems from my trolling.
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The sport I drove today had whatever the base gearing is and the sahara had 4.10s. It was amazing the difference that gearing made. I didnt care for the auto though, just feels wrong in a Jeep. I know a lot of people love them and they have their strong points for sure. That dealer has a used JK 4 door rubicon with a manual, ill see if I can test drive it.
I appreciate the info, ill look into issues with the 6-speed.


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Yup, I am aware of that , that is why I said by model. As in two door sport vs four door sport, not Sport vs Sahara.
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I had misread your post. I thought when you said model by model you meant all 2 doors would be the same and all 4 doors would be the same.
I misunderstood Panthermark's meaning as well, hence my reply.
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I've been a manual tranny guy for decades, but if I could go back in time I'd get the auto on this. I've replaced the clutch switch in the first month and now I'm getting a clutch burning smell in 5th gear and it's only got 8,000 miles. I'm off to the dealer tomorrow.
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I've had a two door Rubicon for about 6 weeks. The ride has grown on me each time. The interior kind of feels like a cockpit.
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drove a 2 door rubicon with a 6 speed this morning and loved it. Definitely going with the manual trans. Still debating color and 2 vs 4 door, which are personal preferences.
Thanks for all the input. It looks like there are/were some issues with the 6sp, but I'm really not too worried about it. Hope that doesnt come back to bite me in the ass.

I assume that my warranty will be void as soon as I install any kind of lift or larger tire?
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It looks like there are/were some issues with the 6sp, but I'm really not too worried about it. Hope that doesnt come back to bite me in the ass.
No more issues than any other transmission. Remember no one come on the internet to proclaim that they have no problems and everything works great.

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Completely false. More internet BS.
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Completely false. More internet BS.
Part 1: Thats kinda what I'm thinking. I saw a few issues but nothing really stood out. If it were a more common issue I think it would show up more. Either way im not worried about it and am definitely getting the 6 speed.

Part 2: really? I hadnt researched it, just an assumption. I know a lot of companies just look for excuses to void warranties. I would love to add a RK 3.5" kit with 35s, but im not sure how long to wait. Dont want to void the warranty right from the start but then again im not going to wait for the warranty to expire. I guess i should read through the warranty terms if I can find it somewhere.
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Looks like youre getting 2dr Rubi w/6speed. I have a 2 dr and the seat adjustment gets jammed up sometimes so you have to wiggle it to get it to slide. I was all set to get the manual with everything i wanted , including color off the lot, but hated it, the long throws and high clutch catch, and jiggling stick, even tho i've bought manuals for 40 yrs, so ordered and auto with same equipment. No regrets whatsoever and so glad i didnt get the manual...you pick a color yet? the copperhead looks sweet!
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Part 1: Thats kinda what I'm thinking. I saw a few issues but nothing really stood out. If it were a more common issue I think it would show up more. Either way im not worried about it and am definitely getting the 6 speed.

Part 2: really? I hadnt researched it, just an assumption. I know a lot of companies just look for excuses to void warranties. I would love to add a RK 3.5" kit with 35s, but im not sure how long to wait. Dont want to void the warranty right from the start but then again im not going to wait for the warranty to expire. I guess i should read through the warranty terms if I can find it somewhere.
Just make sure your dealer is "mod friendly". It varies by dealer. Mine certainly is as they do their own customizing. Legally they can deny a warranty claim if the failure was caused by an aftermarket part, but that does not "void" the warranty. There are specific laws to protect you against that.

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