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Old 08-18-2009, 03:52 PM   #1
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kayak rack suggestions?

hello all. have a two door, soft top wrangler and if anyone knows of any decent kayak transportation systems i would greatly appreciate the tip. jeep is brand new and im just not ready to scratch it up just yet by only strapping them down.
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sorry just realized that this link is only an add-on for a certain roof rack. here is a link of all the different racks and adapters
Jeep Cargo & Sport Racks - Quadratec
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just take your soft top down and bungie it to your Jeep, thats what I do!

I have yet to scratch mine, if your really worried, just use a towel for a buffer.
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I agree with rj5570, just put the top down and strap it to the roll bars. I haven't carried a kayak that way but I have carried part of a baby crib that way and it worked really well. I used ratchet straps instead of bungie cords though.
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well the bungies I use are not the type with hooks on the end, they have sliders that lock.
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I've been looking at this rack. It is a little pricey but I'm saving up for it. I'm also looking for reviews on it. Claims no drilling, and does not interfere with the top as long as the cargo basket is not mounted. I'm particularly interested for my kayaks to be able to put them up there and for skiing to put them up there on a moment's notice. Rack systems like thule and yakima have no load capability when mounted on the hard top because it is supported by the rain gutter and can only support around 40 lbs. With the armor rack, and a set of bars compatible with yakima attachments (or thule), I'll be able to use all of my yakima attachments that I purchased for my caravan which I traded in for my jeep. On the armor web site, they do mention a set of adapter bars available but it doesn't say if the bars are compatible with yakima or thule.
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This is how I currently get my kayaks around. I have the deluxe model with all of the attachments and a b size tongue extension to accommodate my 16 foot sea touring kayak. Some of the benefits are no high lifting of the kayaks. It can be detached and used to haul the kayaks down to the water without the jeep if necessary. I fold mine up and put it inside my 6X10 covered utility trailer. My kayaks go up on top of the utility trailer on a ladder rack when I am going to a camp site on an extended trip. The system works well for me. I just returned from Sebago lake in Maine. Had loads of fun with the kayaks. Next year, I would like to do more extended trips. This system will pay off even more then. A drawback is that it is not as easy to find a parking place unless there is ones available for vehicles with boat trailers.
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Alternate Idea

Just purchased 09 Wrangler hardtop and also looking to carry kayak. Checked out the Lange and KargoMaster. Much too expensive. Any thoughts on the following idea: Purchase a truck bed extender which telescopes up to 60" and costs about $60.00. Then use foam blocks for the front of the kayak and tie down.
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Well, I've been checking the body armor rack out and it says that it is a no drill mount but reading the fine print on the installation guide brings out that the rack will only install on jeeps with an after-market bumper that allows access to holes drilled in the frame OR holes can be drilled into the body. I don't know when I will be changing my rear bumper or IF I want to just to go with this rack. Choices...choices...choices.
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Please post pictures if you have any. I am wanting to carry a 18' cedar strip canoe on my '09 4 door - soft top only.
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I just purchased a Congo Cage for carrying my yaks. The company that makes it also makes an adaptor that allows you to mount Yakima or Thule bars. Here's the link KargoMaster - Home Page. Mine is due to ship from CA on Thursday. I'll post up my opinion after I mount it.
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haggard1 - I would be interested if the Congo Rack is a permanent installation, or whether it can be removed when not in use.

I'll be watching for your post after you receive it.

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I just purchased a Congo Cage for carrying my yaks. The company that makes it also makes an adaptor that allows you to mount Yakima or Thule bars. Here's the link KargoMaster - Home Page. Mine is due to ship from CA on Thursday. I'll post up my opinion after I mount it.
Went and looked at the link. I'm close to pulling the trigger on this one. Has a higher weight limit than the body armor and mounts without drilling or replacing the rear bumper. I like the accessories. Right now I'm looking for the best price. One of the dealers has the cage on sale but without the basket. Cage/basket/mounting kit combo is pretty pricey at over 900.00. No discount found yet on the net.
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Went and looked at the link. I'm close to pulling the trigger on this one. Has a higher weight limit than the body armor and mounts without drilling or replacing the rear bumper. I like the accessories. Right now I'm looking for the best price. One of the dealers has the cage on sale but without the basket. Cage/basket/mounting kit combo is pretty pricey at over 900.00. No discount found yet on the net.
Update: I pulled the trigger on the congo cage. I also ordered the yakima adapter clamps and will mount my yakima bars up there so I can go up with my kayaks. I will purchase the cargo basket on a different day when my piggy bank is pieced all back together with the super glue.

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Not sure about your question, theoldawg, but I'll let you know. jk'n, we're on the exact same page! I'm in VA and my yak racks SHOULD be here next week. I'm fishing in a big kayak tournament on the 26th and I would really like to be finished with the installation before then.
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Not sure about your question, theoldawg, but I'll let you know.
Sorry ~ guess I got to get the crap out of my mouth.

I'm just interested to know if the rack, with the exception of the mounting hardware, can be removed when not in use.

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Not sure about your question, theoldawg, but I'll let you know. jk'n, we're on the exact same page! I'm in VA and my yak racks SHOULD be here next week. I'm fishing in a big kayak tournament on the 26th and I would really like to be finished with the installation before then.
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Got to thank you for pointing me in the direction of the KargoMaster racks. I had been looking at the body armor for so long, I just assumed that I was going to go that way and didn't see anything about any other rack that would tip the decision in another direction. The features that helped me decide were it mounts on the jk without drilling and with the stock bumper. Its load capacity is 500 lbs compared to 300 and some on the body armor. It has the Yakama adaptors. And I'm seeing a whole bunch of mounting kits for junk that you can put up top while wheeling such as the highlift jack, etc. It tilts back so that you can open and close the top or change from one top to the other. The more I read about it, the more I like it.

Thanks again for getting me to take a closer look at it.

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I'm just interested to know if the rack, with the exception of the mounting hardware, can be removed when not in use.

Thanks/John
theoldawg,

It detaches in the front and pivots in the rear to give room for top operations such as raising and lowering. It looks like it pivots on a couple of bolts in the rear. From the installation instructions, it looks like when the pivot bolts are removed, the rack comes off leaving the mounting hardware on the jeep. I'm sure this thread will get that feedback when we get a close look at it.

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Sorry, theoldawg, your question was clear.... my response wasn't. I SHOULD have said.... not sure about the ANSWER to your question. Looks like JK'n hit it pretty well.

JK'n: I was looking at the BA system as well. What sold me on the KM racks was the ability to mount my Yakima bars. I liked the price of the BA system too. Checked my local 4x4 shop and they wanted 2x the amount for a wimpy little set of racks.
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Kargomaster rack arrived yesterday!!! Hope to have it on by this weekend!!!
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Kargomaster rack arrived yesterday!!! Hope to have it on by this weekend!!!
Lucky you, I'm still waiting on the point of origin scan from UPS. The supplier that I ordered from is moving their warehouse. They claim that it should get out of the building today. They charged my credit card already though. The good news is they have been responsive with communications about the order.
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I ordered directly from Kargomaster.... tried to purchase local couldn't find anyone with them in stock. It's really tough sitting here looking at this box knowing I can't do anything until this weekend
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haggard & 1jk'n - Thanks for your replys and info.

I downloaded the installation instructions from Kargomaster's web site; and it appears to come off just as jk'n explained.

Thanks again.
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I got my congo cage on Friday. I couldn't get to it until Sunday night. I put the cage together but didn't have time to do anything else. I still have to mount the hardware to the jeep and put the rack on. My first impression is that the rack is super strong. Much stronger than I had figured. The weight limit of 500 lbs seems to match up with the sturdiness of it. It won't have any problem with anything I will put up there exceeding the capacity. Can't wait to get it on there. Will post pictures when it is on.
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Mounted my rack last weekend. Took me a few hours, but it all went together without a problem. No drilling required. Comes off without too much effort. Mounted my Yakima bars on top. Pay attention to the bar that mounts by the rear license plate... it bends back towards the rear of the jeep.... not forward. Had an extra set of hands to hold the bumper down while I mounted the rear brackets. At this point, I'm pleased with this system. I'll post a pic later. Now.... if I only had time to load up my yak and go fishing.
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My Install

Here is the story of my rack install:

I pre-assembled the upper part of the rack but got the driver side rear on in the wrong direction. There was a 50/50 shot at getting it right. Had to unbolt it and turn it 180 degrees. The picture is below.

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I am going to do this review of my rack install in multiple posts because I can't upload more than two pictures at a time.
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The front corners were a little tricky to figure out how they bolted on. Again a 50/50 chance of getting it right but was not well illustrated in the diagram. Bolting it on one way had an obtuse angle to the outside and the other way had an acute angle to the outside. The angle was almost square to the pipe but not quite. It was assembled correctly with the acute angle to the outside. The two front mounts are shown below.

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The following pictures show the jeep with the rack mounted.

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The next two show the yakima bar mounting hardware installed on the rack. I mounted them 14" from the front and rear joint seams. If they are too far apart, the kayaks will touch the roof. So I put them relatively close. I'll probably be kayaking tomorrow and will see how the yaks fit on top.

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Now here is some of the details. When I went to put the rear mounting hardware on the jeep, I removed the bumper bolts as instructed, compared them to the 3/8" bolts supplied with the rack and the threads did not match up. I went to the Home Depot and found that the bolts on the jeep were 10-1.5 metric which is almost identical to 3/8". Since the 3/8" is a tad bit smaller, I could have just run the bolts in, they would have probably siezed a little going in but would most likely have made it in cutting new threads on the way in. The bolts I bought were 10-1.5X45mm. They were just a little bit longer than the ones supplied in the kit. I also bought 10mm washers and split washers to match the bolts. Kargo Master claimed that this was the first time that anybody had claimed the they were the wrong bolts supplied in the kit. I find that difficult to believe. When I placed one bolt against the other the threads did not nest together showing me that the threads were not the same. This was the only difficulty with the rack itself.

The only other modification that I did was to put nylon washers in between the front bracket and the paint job. They had supplied steel ones. I didn't want to mar the paint job whilst tightening the bolts and so, while I was at Home Depot getting the 10mm hardware for the bumper mounts, I also picked up nylon washers. They appear to have done nicely in there instead of the steel washers. And my paint job is still intact.

The yakima clamps showed up in the box without the lower half of the saddle clamps included. I called kargo master and they shipped the four pieces out immediately.

Now that the rack is on the jeep, my first impression is that it is solid. Shaking the jeep via yanking on the rack showed no signs of rattle and very little flex. My yaks will be very safe up there. Much more so than when I had the rack up on my caravan. That install I worried about down the road, the jeep is so solid, I am confident it will hold up well.

One nice feature is that the rack can be dismounted leaving the mounting hardware on the jeep and the jeep used without the rack.

One thing that didn't work out so well was my uber antenna mounting whilst not in the way of the rack at the mounting point is in the way of the antenna whip. I am going to mount the whip to the rack and use the original antenna mount as a feed through on the side of the jeep for the coax. I'm going to mount a pl259 barrel type feedthrough there. I will put a connector on the inside and a short piece of coax and connectors on the outside to get to the antenna that will be mounted on the rear of the rack. The 102" whip will fly again. I'll post pictures of that when completed.

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