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Old 01-31-2010, 09:41 PM   #1
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Keeping factory bumper and fenders clean!!

I've had this 2010 for about a month and a half and the factory bumper and fenders are already starting to look ratty. What do you all use to keep them looking like new?

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As this is your 1st post, Welcome to the forum. As for keeping your bumpers clean, I never thought about it. I guess someone may have an answer for you, but I just wash mine with soap and water when I give the jeep a bath.
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Okay, just thought of this. I always use Mother's Back to Black on my BMW. It works well and doesn't leave an oily residue like armorall. It won't last very long, but they will look shiny and new for several weeks at least. I am not disagreeing with Ray, but I have found that Armorall on plastic tends to increase fading from the sun.
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Rub them against some rocks or a tree and voila!
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DesertFox! Welcome Aboard, Shipmate!

I use the Armorall Cleaning Wipes, not the Armorall Protectant. The Cleaning Wipes will get anything off you don't want on there, but it won't be shiney! Ya don't want shiney on a Jeep anyway! It's just, WROOOONG!

It'll keep your bumpers and fenders looking clean, and it won't cause the plastic to fade like the Protectant does.

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Thanks for the information and thanks for welcoming me aboard. I knew i'd get some grief but in my defense, The jeep has already been completely covered in mud, scratched up by large cactus and puked in by my little 3 yr old while heading up skiing... 8)

At this rate, i'm not sure what next month will bring.
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Thanks for the information and thanks for welcoming me aboard. I knew i'd get some grief but in my defense, The jeep has already been completely covered in mud, scratched up by large cactus and puked in by my little 3 yr old while heading up skiing... 8)

At this rate, i'm not sure what next month will bring.
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Hello and welcome!
I'm in Arizona most of the time now and have been using Armorall. My 06 is strictly AZ and out most of the time. The Armorall takes the fading out and it looks great when it is clean. (That's seldom) But, it does have that oily base which attracts dust and dirt. So the "clean" doesn't last to long but the plastic parts seem to retain the look for awhile. Haven't had much problem with the 09 yet but it is not out all the time either. When you try some of these suggestions and find a product that works for you, let us know. Enjoy and best of luck!
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Welcome to the forum.

Well, it must have been a while since we have talked about bumpers and fenders and I'm surprised that nobody has chimed in yet but here it is. I wash them with the soap and water already mentioned and then I Ice them using Turtle Wax Ice. Many have commented why stop there? Ice works well on the plastic parts both inside and out. I've been Icing the whole jeep. Keeps the fenders looking black, shedding water, and easy to clean up after the mud bath thing. Try it out....you'll see. The bad news is that Icing can be addictive and for a Jeep owner that's bad.

As with everything that is done with a Jeep, have fun doing it. After all that's why you bought it...right?
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X2 on the Turtle Wax Ice. Good stuff.
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Black Wow from Way Motor Works is the best product of its kind.
Black Again is also good and less expensive.

Most of the other stuff comes off too quickly.

You'll give up trying to keep them prissy after a while anyhow. It will just look wrong to you eventually.
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Black Chrome works well but I always have a heck of a time finding it. The other thing that works nice is Honda's plastic cleaner. I get it at the bike shop, it is used for dirtbikes, fourwheelers etc. It does seem to be a constant battle. I don't bother much in the winter but I polish them up with this stuff about four to six times in the summer, makes them look brand spankin new!
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Another vote for Turtle Wax Ice. May even use it again come Spring time

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As the owner of a detailing and restoration business, I have to say STAY AWAY from Armor All!!!!! The best product that I have found after many years of research is a product called 303. Great for plastic, vinyl, rubber, ect...and will not leave greasy or attract dust. It has UV inhibitors in it as well.
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As the owner of a detailing and restoration business, I have to say STAY AWAY from Armor All!!!!! The best product that I have found after many years of research is a product called 303. Great for plastic, vinyl, rubber, ect...and will not leave greasy or attract dust. It has UV inhibitors in it as well.
Dittos on Armor All - I was convinced that stuff was bottled evil decades ago. I received some complimentary 303 at a concourse event a few years back, loved it, used it regularly on both the '66 Jaguar and the Lotus with good results. Tough to find though. Most Mother's and Meguier's products are very good in my experience (actually can't think of any that are bad).

I find the Jeep fenders respond just fine to a pressure sprayer or plain old soap and water. I've owned my Jeep 5 days and have already removed two applications of mud, although NOTHING on a par with Hilldweller. Being from the vintage and sports car persuasion, I'm finding it difficult to suppress my 'shiny' gene, but fortunately the lure of a trail to an unknown destination is still stronger.
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[QUOTE=ErictheBastard;538817]Dittos on Armor All - I was convinced that stuff was bottled evil decades ago. I received some complimentary 303 at a concourse event a few years back, loved it, used it regularly on both the '66 Jaguar and the Lotus with good results. Tough to find though.

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If anyone is interested, I can get them the number of where I buy my 303 for my business. You would get a decent discout, or it can be found at westmarine.com, overtons.com, some truck accessorie places and better marine (boat) stores....
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Bass Pro usually has the 303 space products. It's decent but nothing special.
If you want to do it all the really easy way, buy some Protect-All, Klasse, or Plexus. Any of those will polish your entire Jeep, plastics, everything.
You'll stop futzing over your Jeep after a while anyhow if you're really using it.

Like you'd really waste time detailing your rig when you're just going to do it all again next weekend...?

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Nice vid and music. That stream is one way to clean the vehicle.. 8)
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Turtle Wax ice is the ticket.
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Bass Pro usually has the 303 space products. It's decent but nothing special.
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Well, thank you for insulting me and my business!!!! I have been doing detailing and restoration fornmore then 15 years, and not just some car wash joint!!! I am a high end business that caters to vehicles that are peopbably worth more then your house! So, given that, I must say, 303 is some of the best product available! No, it does not give Ghetto shine and that is not what it is ment for. It penatrates the material and proect with non silicone UV inhibitors and keeps materials looking new and lasting for years over the compitition.

I am not here to benefit my business in anyway, actually, I will only lose time here, so I have nothing to benefit by offering a professional advice. If you folks do not want it, just say so and I will not spend my time trying to help!!

Hilldweller, you seem to have something negative to say about EVERYTHING someone else has to offer, so I guess you know it all....sorry if I stepped on your all knowing toes!!

Let me say this... there is NO SUCH THING as a do it all product, that is called snake oil, and just does not exist!! And even if you do venture into the mud every weekend, keeping a good coat of polish on your vehicle will only aid in cleaning it up!!!

Lastly, I will give this advice, stay away from SILICONE based products and stay away from Waxes...UV prohibitive polishes are by far superior. Take it fir what it is, free advice from someone who has a reputation for pampering the finest on water, land, and air!!!!

Oh, hilldweller, I can't find where you posted this, but 18 inch wheels with 33's are for much more then mall crawling as you call it... My truck with 18" wheels and 33's will tear apart my jeep every day of the week!!!!
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Well, thank you for insulting me and my business!!!! I have been doing detailing and restoration fornmore then 15 years, and not just some car wash joint!!! I am a high end business that caters to vehicles that are peopbably worth more then your house! So, given that, I must say, 303 is some of the best product available! No, it does not give Ghetto shine and that is not what it is ment for. It penatrates the material and proect with non silicone UV inhibitors and keeps materials looking new and lasting for years over the compitition.

I am not here to benefit my business in anyway, actually, I will only lose time here, so I have nothing to benefit by offering a professional advice. If you folks do not want it, just say so and I will not spend my time trying to help!!

Hilldweller, you seem to have something negative to say about EVERYTHING someone else has to offer, so I guess you know it all....sorry if I stepped on your all knowing toes!!

Let me say this... there is NO SUCH THING as a do it all product, that is called snake oil, and just does not exist!! And even if you do venture into the mud every weekend, keeping a good coat of polish on your vehicle will only aid in cleaning it up!!!

Lastly, I will give this advice, stay away from SILICONE based products and stay away from Waxes...UV prohibitive polishes are by far superior. Take it fir what it is, free advice from someone who has a reputation for pampering the finest on water, land, and air!!!!

Oh, hilldweller, I can't find where you posted this, but 18 inch wheels with 33's are for much more then mall crawling as you call it... My truck with 18" wheels and 33's will tear apart my jeep every day of the week!!!!
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I'm sure that your advice is well taken by many on the forum and that includes myself and possibly Hilly. I don't doubt the durability of the finish while using the stuff you are touting. I am guessing that what HD is speaking of is that many of us on the forum are usually looking for a "down and dirty" way of escaping any of the work in detailing whilst still getting good results once in a blue moon trying to make the jeep looked pampered. In that realm, I would say that Turtle Wax Ice is relatively cheap, easily obtained and can be used on the finish and plastic parts AND looks damn good with little work. As Hilly has said, most of us will eventually stop pampering our jeeps as it ages. Hell, I'm planning on taking a spray can to mine as rust begins to show up on it. In ten years it will probably have a camouflage look to it. With that having been said I might say on this forum that 303 is nothing special (for my jeep). Now, a lot of folks on the forum may feel the same way but that doesn't discount your advice. I have listened to your advice and may try and locate that stuff for my other vehicle which I will not make look camouflaged over the years of ownership. So, your advice meant something to me just not in the jeep context.

I'm sure that your 18 inch wheels work well for your truck. I've been reading a lot of posters and concerning wheels, I definitely pay attention to HD's advice. What I think he has been saying is that rubber for 16 inch wheels is much cheaper than for 18 inch wheels. The 16 inch wheels offer more protection for the rubber when aired down than 18 inch wheels. Considering the application (jeep not truck) I would tend to lean towards 16 inch wheels unless I was trying to make a monster jeep out of mine then I might lift towards heaven and put monster rubber on them. It probably won't make it more trail worthy and probably less trail worthy if it tends to be so tall that it tips easily. So, HD, have I been schooled properly?

So, remember, I'm not discounting what you say. I am however considering it advice that I take along with everybody's advice to form my own opinion. So, I would say post away with your advice, disagree with others' advice but IMHO, try to steer clear of insulting others' opinions or advice as that just messes up a perfectly good thread and can lead to flaming. I'm hoping that you will take this with a grain of salt and try and keep it friendly....just a suggestion.

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JK,

very well said...and trust me, I understand wanting to keep things simple and quick. I keep that in mind not only in my business but when I am trying to help. I understand not everyone has the toold I do, nor the ambission that I do to create the ultimate shine. But for me it is more then the best shine on paint or gheto shine (which i hate) on tires and plastic. I am well beyond that. The older I get , the easier I want things to be. And...as I try to help people, I know they want 2 day results done in less then an hour, so that is what I try to help people do. Some interiors I do on boats cost 3-4 times what our jeeps do, so I can't and will not use something that is OK. I have to take care of 150K paint jobs, yes, that is just a paint job on boats, so I do not half ass thing and what I do for my business, I pass on.

hilldweeler has made sacastic remarks about 18 inch wheels before and after reading so much of his negativity towards others suggestions, it just gets old. Not everyone is living in the late 80's and early 90's with 15 and 16's. My truck is putting out over 500 hp and almost 1000lbs of torque, regularly tows up to 12K lbs and can do anything thing I want, so I do not appreciate the mall crawler and rich people crap...jmo....

And you may want to suggest to hd not to insult others opinions, not me, all I stated was do not use Armor All, which to the best of my knowledge is not a slam on any business owner here...if someone did what I do and use Armor All, I would keep my mouth shut about it.

So JK, thankj you for the good post!! Have a great weekend and enjoy your Jeep!!! Is Spring here yet!!! Peace!!!!
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Just for fun... Here is my all origonal 1985 Checkmate, interior is origonal as well...interior maintained by 303

also, my 2001 Flatbottom fish boat


On the fishboat, paint used to be FLAT green, notice the finish is starting to shine...that is from knowing what you are doing...

Also, I am the origonal owners on thes too...
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303 helps me maintain this very difficult interior on my Formula too. Although this pic is not on my home water, try keeping this white ont he muddy Mississippi!!!!


Lastly for the fun of it, my piece of chit truck sitting on ghetto 18's!!!! lol


Oh yeah, i forgot, my jeep is kept spotless too!!
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my short bus has 15's...so I guess I am ok there!!! lmao
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The shine on the speed boat looks totally awesome. Hard to tell on the fishing boat but the craftsmanship really shows on the speed boat. Curiosity question: do you use a buffing machine on it with the 303 to get that kind of a shine or is that all elbow grease?
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hilldweeler has made sacastic remarks about 18 inch wheels before and after reading so much of his negativity towards others suggestions, it just gets old. Not everyone is living in the late 80's and early 90's with 15 and 16's. My truck is putting out over 500 hp and almost 1000lbs of torque, regularly tows up to 12K lbs and can do anything thing I want, so I do not appreciate the mall crawler and rich people crap...jmo....
I was thinking about this part of your post...kinda chewing on it overnight. I too have used the term mall crawler sarcastically. I think the reason you hear it commonly here on this forum is because people who post here are typically hard core jeep people who take off roading very seriously so we joke about "mall crawling" kind of as a juxtaposition of our own pursuit way down a different path. In my own thoughts I would consider an 18 inch wheel on a jeep (some trucks have larger wheel wells and 18s work out pretty well) a sort of dividing line between a "mall crawler" (meaning totally useless for the trail) and a trail worthy Jeep. Any larger wheel and the rubber has to become low profile in order to be able to fit in the wheel well and that is the ingredient of a street machine or "mall crawler". Any smaller of a wheel than 18 inch and it makes it easier to air down for the trail because for the same diameter rubber on a 16 inch rim vs an 18 inch rim there is more room for cushion against rocks on the trail. What Hilldweller has been saying is that for a Jeep, with the limitations of the space in the wheel well and considering the price for the rubber it is, and I agree, a better choice to purchase a 16 inch wheel and slightly larger tires (than the stockers) giving excellent results on the trail.

I think this forum thrives on subtle humor, and sometimes, not so subtle hit-em' over the head type humor that mostly occurs between folks that have already established a report with each other. This type of banter may seem to a new comer as brash and unwarranted. Sometimes we even get carried away with our comments and tick off the other party by what we say. Most of the time you will see an apology follow. Sometimes the moderator gets involved when the environment appears out of control. I think that if it wasn't for the humor that goes along with the threads, I would probably spend less time on this forum. There are other forums that seem pretty much out of control with people heaving insults at each-other and not just sarcasm between cyber-friends. I think the moderators do a good job in identifying when it gets like this on this forum and work within the threads and sometimes behind the scenes to get it to stop. I have spent a fair amount of time on some other jeep forums and some I would classify as the "wild wild west of forums". I like it here where there seems to be more respect between the contributors on the forum.

In conclusion, I take a certain amount of sarcasm with a grain of salt and don't consider it insulting...more like ribbing. When the sarcasm stops and the insults fly, it is time to consider the source and let them have their own opinion and most of the time when it is aimed at me, that is how I usually end the discussion. After all it is better to agree to disagree rather than spew hurtful words back and forth. Anyway, I thought I would say some words about the phenomenon in an effort to keep things on an even keel for those who my words would mean something to.


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That's pretty much it, JK'n.
33's on 16's work much better on a trail than 33's on 18's. Physics. Aired-down contact patch. No opinion at all; just the way it is. As you start getting to more sidewall on 18's, the differences begin to level out.
Is it worth it though? 18's, at best, are styling exercises. I'm a function over form type of person. If I see somebody with a Jeep with a wing, DUB's, blue headlights, etc., I will label it ghetto and giggle. Doesn't mean that they can't do what they want with their Jeep; it's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. And I will certainly give them a hand pulling their rig off the trail when they break it.
All his other stuff is just ponderous to me.
I've had 89 vehicles including my 9 motorcylces; I've never "detailed" a single one or ever paid for somebody to do it. I have friends that show their cars/bikes; I never understood it.

And I'd guess that 292 doesn't understand my point of view either.
I'd love to see what his truck could do at Tellico or on the Rubicon though.
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Thanks for the information and thanks for welcoming me aboard. I knew i'd get some grief but in my defense, The jeep has already been completely covered in mud, scratched up by large cactus and puked in by my little 3 yr old while heading up skiing... 8)

At this rate, i'm not sure what next month will bring.
And you're worried about the bumpers and fenders????

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