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Old 05-24-2011, 04:21 PM   #31
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When you take your Jeep back for repair for a second time insist that a Factory Rep be present and stay for the testing. I took a different model back 6 times in 6 months. Finally the rep showed up and it was a $1.50 item missing that he knew about. The dealer had no clue.

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Heres the 2010 version of the leaks manual - take a copy to the Dealer, though they should already have it on the shelf...

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...thkey=CLOcy6UP

Though I do disagree with the diagnosis of water on the front carpet being from wheel arch or cowl only, my passenger door leaks at the mucket seal, but the water will run all the way around the door then run off the bottom and on to the carpet (Took me a while to work that out!). So of course Jeep said it wasnt the door leaking... However have discovered it depends on the angle its parked on as to how the leak shows up (as in dripping onto the handle, running down the door or dripping off the bottom) but the manual linked to was a great help.

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Old 05-24-2011, 07:40 PM   #33
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We are going to wait for a few hard rains before we actually take the hard top off and put the soft top on - just to make sure the leaks have finally stopped. Then we'll be crossing our fingers that we don't have any leaks with the soft top!
Really hoping that replacing the top with end the floor puddles!
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Old 05-25-2011, 04:32 PM   #34
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Thumbs down Shady

Picked up the Jeep (with the supposed new freedom top) but when I got home and looked at our invoice - there was no mention of the fact that it was there because of leaks AND there was no mention of them replacing the hard top!
I called back right away and asked for an ammended invoice four our records. As of now - there is no record of this being a "leak issue" for the 4th time.
Meanwhile - we still can't get anyone from Chrysler to actually call us back - this has just been a nightmare!
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You mean when you called the 800 number with a question they didn't answer and you had to leave a message for them to call you back? Their main function is to deal with what the dealer says to you when the dealer gives wrong information to customers. My experience with them over the last 3 purchases in a row: 1. Caravan 2. PT Cruiser and now 3. Wrangler is that they would only either verify what the dealer said was correct or they would call the dealer and correct them when they tried to twist information. All of my dealings with the dealer have been direct. They serviced under the warranty satisfactorily. If they don't for you and you get no satisfaction from Chrysler, perhaps it is time to contact the better business bureau to see if they can assist? If the dealer knows ahead of time that they may be making a record for themselves with the BBB then perhaps they may improve their service? Warranty service is a series of asking and receiving. Not always the way that you thought that you would be dealt with. Sometimes going to a different dealer helps. That is what I did with my Caravan when I didn't like how that dealer treated me. That would really suck if you didn't have that option because the dealer that you could go to is too far away.

One other thought. If you were going to pursue legal action against the dealer/Chrysler for non performance on the warranty or under your state's lemon law they would still have to explain why they replaced the top. Your notes that you make right now and even these posts on the forum serve as a record of what happened. You don't have to force the dealer to write it but it does show poor service if they don't note it for you. Regardless, it won't change the truth of what happened. That is what a court will eventually decide if it gets that far.
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This is a follow-up to my original post... the hard top does not leak. I installed the soft top and we experienced a killer thunder storm and fortunately I didn't have any leaks. Guess it's the luck of the draw.

Good luck with your issues. I hope you can get it resolved quickly.
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This is a follow-up to my original post... the hard top does not leak. I installed the soft top and we experienced a killer thunder storm and fortunately I didn't have any leaks. Guess it's the luck of the draw.

Good luck with your issues. I hope you can get it resolved quickly.

Congrats! Happy to hear you are leak free!
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Congrats! Happy to hear you are leak free!
It'll be a great day when we hear you say the same!

And ditto on the congratulations.
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Angry The saga continues

UGH!
When the dealer called us on Monday - he said they found water in the Jeep and were replacing the entire freedom top because they weren't sure where the water was coming in. I asked them specifically if they found the water and he said YES.

When I picked it up yesterday, he told me that the leaks were definitely because of the hard top.

They mailed us a new copy of or invoice and on it they wrote on it that they replaced the hard top because we were complaining of leaks but they tested it and they "thought" they found water, but weren't positive. They flat-out lied about it.
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UGH!
When the dealer called us on Monday - he said they found water in the Jeep and were replacing the entire freedom top because they weren't sure where the water was coming in. I asked them specifically if they found the water and he said YES.

When I picked it up yesterday, he told me that the leaks were definitely because of the hard top.

They mailed us a new copy of or invoice and on it they wrote on it that they replaced the hard top because we were complaining of leaks but they tested it and they "thought" they found water, but weren't positive. They flat-out lied about it.
I wouldn't worry too much about the wording of "thought". The fact they replaced the top due to your complaint about leaking is enough.

If it continues to be a problem (leaking) in the future, they're not going to be able to fall back on "we never found a problem". Mainly because Chrysler, any factory reps, attorneys, etc. will look at this service work and ask why they replaced the entire top if they could never find a problem.

Especially when Chrysler has a documented TSB or repair bulletin that calls for replacing the seals, not the entire top.

I think you got a decent response from them for the moment. JMO
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Old 06-11-2011, 07:57 PM   #41
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Rained for the first time since we got the new hard top installed....
Leaked again. Same spot - we can't see it coming in but the floor is soaked.
I'm so stressed out. I'm afraid to call the dealer - I think they're sick of hearing from us. Maybe we'll try another dealer?!?!
Just hope they can fix it - we really love driving it .
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Rained for the first time since we got the new hard top installed....
Leaked again. Same spot - we can't see it coming in but the floor is soaked.
I'm so stressed out. I'm afraid to call the dealer - I think they're sick of hearing from us. Maybe we'll try another dealer?!?!
Just hope they can fix it - we really love driving it .
The dealer that you have been going to has a record of what has been done to your jeep. If they have been treating you right, I would continue the relationship.
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Old 06-12-2011, 06:48 AM   #43
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Thanks fir the advice- we're going to call them in the morning.
We just don't know what to do anymore... wish it would never rain again
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Still no 'mysterious' leaks... keeping fingers crossed.

I did get caught in a bad rain storm with the quarter windows and rear window out. Of course the top is narrow and all the rain water ran into the jeep as I was putting the sides and back on. Found out you should never open the doors when it is raining hard... all the water ends up on the floor and your lap... lol.

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I've also had a leaking issue during high pressure car washes coming in thrudriver side door.So far that is the only place and circumstance that I've noticed it leaking,but then again,I've only had it for 2 weeks.
I've also noticed that I have to slam both the driver and passenger doors because of the seal.I think that it's kinda funny that it says you may have to do this in the brochure!My wife has an '09 and we do not have to slam the doors shut on hers.
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I've also had a leaking issue during high pressure car washes coming in thrudriver side door.So far that is the only place and circumstance that I've noticed it leaking,but then again,I've only had it for 2 weeks.
I've also noticed that I have to slam both the driver and passenger doors because of the seal.I think that it's kinda funny that it says you may have to do this in the brochure!My wife has an '09 and we do not have to slam the doors shut on hers.
This is my second 08 Unlimited and both have this same characteristic. The last door closed must be slammed. It doesn't matter which door is the last one to be closed, it has to be slammed with a good more force than when closing one of the doors that is not the last door. This is because the jeep is sealed up tight. Not an issue with the soft top on because the top will puff out a little to allow the door to close without the back pressure.
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We noticed that with the doors right away, too - we have to make sure the kids aren't the last one to close a door

We never open the passenger side doors when we check for leaks because - as you said, all the water comes in as soon as you open a door - lesson learned

I took a pic of the water coming in under the door - I hope the pics will help the dealer figure out how to fix it. Fingers crossed!!!
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That is exactly where both of my jeeps leaked new off of the lot upon delivery. The second one they fixed by adjustment. After the experience with the first, I wanted them to solve the problem. They did.
Same with mine, like a few drops get stuck somewhere and drips when you hit the brakes.
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Same with mine, like a few drops get stuck somewhere and drips when you hit the brakes.
That is precisely how mine leaked. The water would come down on the dash just above the radio. Dead center of the dash. The Rubicon did it twice and they adjusted it twice and now hasn't done it in 3 years. If it starts doing it again, I have a lot of things to try since it is now out of warranty and I will locate it and stop it myself. The only chance of applying the lemon law to it is if it was delivered that way and they haven't been able to fix it in a prescribed period of time after the purchase and X number of attempts to fix it. Beyond that it is a warranty issue and sometimes you may be better off finding it yourself as I found out on the first jeep prior to Chrysler getting it back. They did fifty pages of modifications to the top and made it look like a patchwork quilt. Thank God that they didn't have to go that route on the Rubicon.
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My 2011 unlimited sahara is leaking from the bottom of the front passenger door as well. I can actually see the water drip in from under the door while I'm in the vehicle! The front carpet is soaked and it is happening with the freedom top as wells the soft top, which I just switched to. Waiting for the dealer to get me a loaner car so I can bring it back(3 rd time) for them to fix it( I hope). I have to keep the jeep in my garage so I don't have a flood in it! I am also missing the tranny skid plate, and my nav does not have the Sirius travel link software upgrade. I only have the jeep 2 weeks and I am pissed as hell at the customer service. I called Chrysler to complain, but have yet to get any substantial help! Sorry for the vent. Dan
DAN, i just bought a new jeep as well, same leak under the door, first service scheduled for thursday at westbury jeep. where did you get yours? Please respond because if it was from westbury then the same service people will be looking at the issue and i would like to go in there with as much info as possible.
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We just got ours back yesterday. The service manager told us that they are "just terrible" when it comes to leaking. Just waiting for the next hard rain to see if it worked!
This time they replaced both muck seals?!?
Good luck - this has been a complete nightmare - I hope they figure yours out and you get to enjoy your new toy
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Isn't it funny how when they sell it, mum is the word on leaks or any other malady. But when they get you in the service department with a leak, they are "just terrible".

Ten years down the road if you have it that long, it will be a distant memory and all of the fun you have in it will more than offset this minor inconvenience. Trust me on this one. If the jeep is just a passing fancy, you will probably not experience this but the next owner will as they did not have to deal with the warranty issues. Eventually you should experience the joy of owning a jeep but it requires getting it dirty and possibly dinged.
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We had a storm last night... Passenger side was dry (that was a first) but the driver's side was wet
This is actually our 2nd wrangler - no problems with the first - & if we weren't planning on driving it for 10 or 15 years- we wouldn't mind a leak or two!
Couldn't get anyone on the phone in the service department today - I think they're as fed up with it as we are!
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Patience is the key here. Keep at it and it will get solved. If you keep it as long as you say you are going to keep it, you will eventually have trouble with leaks again. Mine is only three years old. The dealer solved leaks when it was new. I'm getting the itch to rip out the carpets on mine and bed-line the tub. I've got neoprene seat covers on order. It will matter a lot less after those changes if it leaks. Basically, what I'm saying is that the new will eventually wear off. Nothing wrong with getting the dealer to get the initial kinks out though. Especially if you live in an area of the country that gets a lot of rain. Good luck....steady as she goes.
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Just got my jeep back yesterday, and they changed the door seal . Rained last night,although not that hard, but no water this morning! I think they might have fixed it! I will keep you posted!
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That is great news!! Hope this worked .

Remember avoid opening the doors if the top is really wet... all the water drains right into the cab... trust me I found this out the hard way !!

Felt like I took a bath and it wasn't even Saturday!!
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my 2011 sport leaks as well into the passenger side carpet. water comes in at the bottom of the door. seals look good ect. i am going to fix it myself during my vacation. can't be bothered with the dealer and their BS unless there is an actual recall on it. for now i just put a shamwow between the metal and plastic lip at the bottom door sill when the skies look stormy. it collects everything and puts it into the high lip rugged ridge mat. no wet carpet. i can't say i'm that upset about the issue. i researched the vehicle b4 purchase and knew what i was in for. this vehicle is all about trade-offs.
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I would disagree with you, since there are many people on here (self included) that don't have issues with the freedom tops or doors leaking at all.

It is possible to have the tops and doors not leak.

Its your Jeep, do what you want, but it is covered under warranty for a reason...
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I hate reading these threads considering I'm planning on buying my first Wrangler in a few months. I can deal with a few drops once in a while considering the removable panels but some of you guys are having some pretty serious problems that nobody should find acceptable or make excuses for because "it's a Jeep".
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I hate reading these threads considering I'm planning on buying my first Wrangler in a few months. I can deal with a few drops once in a while considering the removable panels but some of you guys are having some pretty serious problems that nobody should find acceptable or make excuses for because "it's a Jeep".
Don't buy a jeep then it sounds like you won't be happy with one.

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