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Old 06-23-2011, 08:45 PM   #61
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Don't buy a jeep then it sounds like you won't be happy with one.
Because I should be willing to accept shitty build quality for the honor of driving a Jeep?

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Old 06-23-2011, 08:52 PM   #62
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No, most people, even if it were not a jeep would work with the dealer to solve issues. You yourself stated that there is a lot of gasket on a jeep in your statement about the panels, in so many words. Out of the thousands of jeeps that they turn out per year, a few have problems and they get posted up on forums like this. If you have already formed an opinion about them then, if I were you, I wouldn't buy one.

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Because I should be willing to accept shitty build quality for the honor of driving a Jeep?
I wouldn't call it shitty build quality. The hardtop design (3 separate panels) brings with it the need for a myriad of additional seals not normally found on other vehicles and the inherent possibilty of leaks. My Jeep leaks a few drops on the drivers door panel if I aim a water hose directly at the top of the door. But engineers design weatherseals to withstand Mother Nature, not necessarily high pressure sprays of water. My Jeep doesn't leak during rain storms or normal washings.

I don't think anyone believes large water leaks are normal or acceptable.
Owners with leaks are understandably frustrated. Sometimes the cause is simply a panel not lined up properly or a pinched seal. Other times the cause isn't directly known. A caring dealer will attempt to cure leaks even if it means replacing seals and tops.

I looked thru the 2007 manual Jeep prepared to help dealers diagnose and fix leaks. Many of the foam pieces and additional sealing is standard on my 2011. That tells me that Jeep has made some attempts to eliminate leaks once and for all.
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Old 06-23-2011, 10:07 PM   #64
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Regarding poor build quality, let's think about this for a minute . . .

Key issues in the design of Jeep tops:

-Two tops that must fit, seal equally well, and be functional year round in all climates.
-Soft top must easily fold back to halfway point (sunrider), be able to fully fold back, and offer fully removable windows.
-Hard top must have easily removable front panels and offer rear window defrost/wiper.
-2 and 4 door versions.
-Effective sound dampening.
-Lightweight.
-Removable at home by the average consumer.
-Must sit on top of removable doors.
-Must sit on top of foldable windshield.
-Must sit on top of both half doors and full steel doors.
-Must have no permanent mounting points.
-Must have no motorized components, other than hard top rear window wiper.
-Retail price of less than $2k each.

Did I miss anything? Can anybody identify one other vehicle on the market that even attempts such a challenge?

Sometimes they leak. Most of the time they don't, or if they do it's very small. When a leak is large it's usually readily fixable.

In my view, the JK tops are a pretty big accomplishment, not a failure.
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Old 06-24-2011, 06:42 AM   #65
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We LOVE our Wrangler - but our leaks have been significant enough that I'm not sure we're going to keep it
We're going to give them 1 more shot at fixing it.
If you are looking to buy one - try a 2 door -without the freedom top... We had one for years & never had any trouble with it.
According to our service guy the 4 doors are terrible when it comes to leaks (wish we knew that before we dropped so much $$) but I know 4 people who have one and have never had a drop of water.
Good luck! If you get one - you'll have fun driving it!
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I would work with it... if you sell it you make take a bath in depreciation. Why not switch to a soft top. Ask them to replace your hard top with one...

Fortunately my 2011 Rubi JK doesn't leak when using the Freedom top (guess I am lucky). I did switch over to a soft top for the summer and it has never leaked.

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We LOVE our Wrangler - but our leaks have been significant enough that I'm not sure we're going to keep it
We're going to give them 1 more shot at fixing it.
If you are looking to buy one - try a 2 door -without the freedom top... We had one for years & never had any trouble with it.
According to our service guy the 4 doors are terrible when it comes to leaks (wish we knew that before we dropped so much $$) but I know 4 people who have one and have never had a drop of water.
Good luck! If you get one - you'll have fun driving it!
You'll get this worked out. Then you can enjoy the jeep. Hope it is fixed on your next visit. Just think, you are half way there. The door on the other side isn't leaking right? Hang in there.

Like the previous post said, selling it usually means taking a hit because of depreciation. I hope you stick it out and get it fixed. Best wishes for a speedy repair.
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We LOVE our Wrangler - but our leaks have been significant enough that I'm not sure we're going to keep it
We're going to give them 1 more shot at fixing it.
If you are looking to buy one - try a 2 door -without the freedom top... We had one for years & never had any trouble with it.
According to our service guy the 4 doors are terrible when it comes to leaks (wish we knew that before we dropped so much $$) but I know 4 people who have one and have never had a drop of water.
Good luck! If you get one - you'll have fun driving it!
Ya, don't give up yet. When you are at the dealer next time, investigate the possibility of a buyback.
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Old 12-24-2011, 06:54 AM   #69
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Update - we got our buy back check and bought a mini-van. I know you're all flinching at the thought - but it doesn't leak & if has tons of room for the kids. I love it. We just couldn't risk getting another Wrangler & going through the torture of dealing with Chrysler all over. We bought a Honda & love it.
Good luck to the rest of you! Merry Christmas!
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Update - we got our buy back check and bought a mini-van. I know you're all flinching at the thought - but it doesn't leak & if has tons of room for the kids. I love it. We just couldn't risk getting another Wrangler & going through the torture of dealing with Chrysler all over. We bought a Honda & love it.
Good luck to the rest of you! Merry Christmas!
Actually I don't blame you. Buying a new vehicle, Jeep or otherwise, is supposed to be a fun and enjoyable experience. Sounds like you got neither of those. For any dealer to say that leaking is normal, on ANY vehicle, that person should have his head kicked in.

In all fairness though, no matter what vehicle you buy, you always risk getting 'that one' which rolled off the assembly line half baked.

My 2011 Sahara is probably the best vehicle I've ever had in terms of enjoyment and sheer visual ecstasy! Being able to customize a bulk of the vehicle to my personal taste is truly fantastic. I have no leaking issues (knock on wood), and in Florida, that is a feat in itself, but would be irritated if I did right out of the gate.

It's unfortunate that you didn't get what you wanted right off the bat. However, good luck with your new vehicle!
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Old 12-24-2011, 09:22 AM   #71
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I also have a 2011 JKU. I only have the soft top, and I occasionally experience leaks on the passenger side front door when closed. Upon examination, I realized it was an easy fix: the rubber seal around the inside door frame was out of line on the track. Simply tucking it back in where it belongs all the way around stopped water from coming in. Anyone know if there's a recall or TSB on this? Are they replacing the rubber for a tighter seal and fit? Drivers side doesn't do this!
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Update - we got our buy back check and bought a mini-van. I know you're all flinching at the thought - but it doesn't leak & if has tons of room for the kids. I love it. We just couldn't risk getting another Wrangler & going through the torture of dealing with Chrysler all over. We bought a Honda & love it.
Good luck to the rest of you! Merry Christmas!
Sorry to hear that your purchase experience ended up that way with the Wrangler. You chose to move in a different direction based, it sounds like, on your family situation. When I got my buyback I decided on another 08 JKUR. I took a ration of ribbing from my friends and they especially tweaked on me when the new one leaked in the exact same place. Mine has a happy ending in that they fixed the leak on the second try and it hasn't leaked since in 3-1/2 years. As with the user below, my ownership experience is one of pride in what my jeep does for me. It is truly a go anywhere do anything vehicle compared to just about anything on the market. You sound like you are relieved and moving on. Best wishes with your new Honda and happy holidays.

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I also have a 2011 JKU. I only have the soft top, and I occasionally experience leaks on the passenger side front door when closed. Upon examination, I realized it was an easy fix: the rubber seal around the inside door frame was out of line on the track. Simply tucking it back in where it belongs all the way around stopped water from coming in. Anyone know if there's a recall or TSB on this? Are they replacing the rubber for a tighter seal and fit? Drivers side doesn't do this!
You could bring this to the attention of your dealer. Let him know that you have placed it back in the groove and it keeps coming out. Ask if they can replace it. You won't know what they will decide until you ask.
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Old 12-24-2011, 08:26 PM   #73
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Hi, real newby here. Had the same issues ( front passenger side floor totally soaked) with my JKu the week I took delivery in Sept. They managed to fix it the second time in, not really sure what else they did besides replace seals. Had the same upgrade issues with my Nav-sirius too, they repaced the entire stereo system. My dealer is Route 46 Chrysler Jeep Dodge in Little Falls NJ. Have not had any water issues since.

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