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Old 09-18-2011, 01:57 PM   #31
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And by far....most of them don't. We hear about it a lot because people get on here and complain about them. It is the nature of a help forum for people to use them to get help on a trouble issue. We see a lot of issues when the factory gets lazy in a certain practice and there is a rash of incidents, or they change a production practice and bam.....we get slammed here. Every vehicle goes through cycles like these. It is hard not to with so many parts that make one up.
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I've owned two Wranglers, and put a combined total of over 300k miles on them. My 98 was a soft top half door Jeep. It leaked only in a high pressure car wash.....normal. My 2005 was a hard top and initially leaked around the passenger side door in the rain...not normal. Dealer re-adjusted the door hinges for a tighter seal, and fixed the problem.

I would not accept a hard top or soft top that leaked only in the rain....more than a drop once in a great while in a downpour.

We'll see....I have a dual top Rubicon ordered and should be here next week...you can bet the first thing I am checking is the leak factor.

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give you break, all convertibles leak,, i think not , i have had many over the years and the only one that leaks in the rain is my harley. the jeep should not,,
To be fair, Harleys leak when it's not raining as well...
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To be fair, Harleys leak when it's not raining as well...
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Really another leak thread???? Get off your chairs and go out to the jeep and try adjusting the top and then take the hose to it till you make it stop leaking...
Also spraying the seals with Tough-Stuff or Simple Green helps too (Pm me for instructions)....

I didn't know so many jeep owners were so bitchy and un-resourceful
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Really another leak thread???? Get off your chairs and go out to the jeep and try adjusting the top and then take the hose to it till you make it stop leaking...
Also spraying the seals with Tough-Stuff or Simple Green helps too (Pm me for instructions)....

I didn't know so many jeep owners were so bitchy and un-resourceful

Not sure if you saw what I wrote and the pics I posted but I think I have ever right to be "bitchy"
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Lawsuit, if you can't spell it you shouldn't even be considering using it. Just sayin.
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I foresee if a lawsuit like this would win, there being no more soft tops on a square roof at least factory. The Jeep is not like other convertibles were they simple fold up like an accordion. Most true convertibles don't fold up into a box. And even then, you can go to their forums and you will find leaking roof threads. Also as others have stated the many other conditions that a Jeep has to deal with that other convertible do not like fold down windows, removable doors and door surrounds that can be removable.

I see a lawsuit causing many of these Jeep only features having to be fixed into permanent fixtures as to meet any lawsuits requirements. Not saying there shouldn't always be improvements and people should complain to Jeep if they have a leak including other agencies to get their problems solved but there could be consequences to a lawsuit to were you have nothing more then a hummer style Jeep in the end with no soft top at all. Maybe even only selling removable hard tops and soft tops as a aftermarket only but then too if they have to worry about being sued who would make them?

But I guess that is the price Jeep pays to sell to the masses and not to the enthusiast were Jeeps had no tops at all or at minimum something to keep the driver out of the rain to now were a Wrangler is marketed as a everyday vehicle.
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Really another leak thread???? Get off your chairs and go out to the jeep and try adjusting the top and then take the hose to it till you make it stop leaking...
Also spraying the seals with Tough-Stuff or Simple Green helps too (Pm me for instructions)....

I didn't know so many jeep owners were so bitchy and un-resourceful


I had the dealership fix my leak the first time,because the replacement rubbers were so new.

It leaked even more in the rear than before.
It's just recently,it has finally settled in and there is no more leakage.

The passenger door had also got leak-itis,I just stuck a little electrical tape in the corner and it's been fine since.

Sometimes you have to figure it out yourself.......

All a lawsuit will do is have future Jeep Wranglers with non-removal tops.
So,they can look like all the other SUV's out there......more pansy than the last generation of Wranglers.
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"Wow", I just noticed that I haven't mentioned my "T" top leak (fix) in THIS THREAD __

Mine leaked and whistled when I first gotit--moved the top door hinges in 1/8"-

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Do you have a $30k JK jeep ??

If you do and it leaks--are you going to "signup" for the "Class Action Law suit" ??

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Not yet I'm shooting for October. I'm not saying they all leak and I'm not saying they should be sued however, Jeep or the dealer or whoever should take it upon themselves to fix any problems with any vehicle that is defective. That said, if the leakers have been taking the tops on and off every day and not taking care of them then a lawsuit is completely unjustified. I absolutely love your Jeep by the way.
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Heh Heh, well thanx everso, having a long history of dealings with auto dealers, I've found that--


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Not yet I'm shooting for October. I'm not saying they all leak and I'm not saying they should be sued however, Jeep or the dealer or whoever should take it upon themselves to fix any problems with any vehicle that is defective. That said, if the leakers have been taking the tops on and off every day and not taking care of them then a lawsuit is completely unjustified. I absolutely love your Jeep by the way.
If the problem isn't pure safety/power/tranny ops, then you have to balance on LEAVING the jeep with the dealer, which can sometimes amount to MONTHS OR, for minor and self correctable maladies, like leaks,wind noise/brake squeeks-etc

Fix the stupid thing yourself and keep your jeep operating !!

If you have a problem as I've mentioned--a question on this forum, will get you a BUNCH of answers--some great, some good, some ??

Now, recalls are free and you should work them into your schedule !

The first time you take that jeep to a back country "hidden" spot and listen to the pine trees/grass grow--a little leak is gonna seem trivial !!

You'll be amazed at how many spots-ONLY YOU CAN GET TO and they're "EVERYWHERE"-

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Nearly every convertible top is going to leak in a car wash, especially high pressure washes. I know folks with later model Porsches, MBs, BMWs, Mustangs, Jags, etc who have experienced the same issues.

Lawsuits are for folks who are killed or injured because of negligence, not for nancies who can't stand a drip here or there on their off-road oriented vehicle.
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I don't know WHY American companies charge so much for their products.........

Here you people are talking about SUING the company that provides the LAST VESTIGE of original thinking in the automotive world......you know what would REALLY stop all the leaks????? If Jeep went out of business over absolutely SILLY LITGIOUS crap like this.....they could not produce leaky tops ever again..... that is what we should do.....SUE them until they go broke.....if not for the tops leaking.....then for the way those "soft ones" flap in the breeze and make it hard to hear my radio.....no... no....wait....

We should all SUE them for (insert absolutely stupid reason here that suits your level of imbecility) until no one EVER tries to produce an original idea again......
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Not sure if you saw what I wrote and the pics I posted but I think I have ever right to be "bitchy"
Well did you dry it off and air it out.... not if that mold/mildew is going on....
Do you know where the water is coming from, as far as leak location???

Seriously though jeeps can and do get wet all the time...
my 2010 was outside for 3 hours of pouring rain and dried out the next day no issues whatsoever....
Though if you don't open it up and let it dry out that's exactly what will happen...
9 times out of 10 the top, doors, and windshield just aren't aligned right...
Some time adjusting will likely fix it... if your dealer can't figure it out find a new one... My local dealer fixed 2 last week and haven't had an issue since...
My 2012 4dr hardtop leaked a few drops here and there and a quick cleaning of the seals and re-installation of the top and poof not a drop even in the car wash...
Every soft top vehicle leaks at some point whether noticeable or not...
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so im sitting here looking through 3 jeep forums that im a member of and see hundreds of topics of leaking hard and soft tops. now my question is, how come the jeep community on a whole has not filed a class action law suite against jeep chrysler.
we all complain about the tops, we all have them "fixed " many times over.
but not 1 post or thread about a law suite. maybe we should get a local fox news to investigate and post videos of the leaking doors and top on tv. maybe then jeep\chrysler will fix the problem.. after all there are hundred's of thousands of jeeps on American roads. just a thought.
Good Lord! You are criticizing a vehicle that is meant to have it's top removed in multiple pieces, has a top that you zip the windows into and out of, and has been steadily improved for decades. Add to that the mega-psi car wash nozzles. I don't think it's unreasonable for the various top styles to pass some water under these conditions. If you want guaranteed watertight, buy a Liberty or something.
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I don't know WHY American companies charge so much for their products.........

Here you people are talking about SUING the company that provides the LAST VESTIGE of original thinking in the automotive world......you know what would REALLY stop all the leaks????? If Jeep went out of business over absolutely SILLY LITGIOUS crap like this.....they could not produce leaky tops ever again..... that is what we should do.....SUE them until they go broke.....if not for the tops leaking.....then for the way those "soft ones" flap in the breeze and make it hard to hear my radio.....no... no....wait....

We should all SUE them for (insert absolutely stupid reason here that suits your level of imbecility) until no one EVER tries to produce an original idea again......
What he said....
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wow you guy's are harsh.. i should have worded my OP a little better, what i meant to say was.
i was just wondering why?
would i ever consider a law suit.. er no. waste of time and money.
does my top leak,, no, i fixed that a long time ago, and i did not take it to the dealer
i love my jeep and wheel the piss out of it.
my harley does not leak, leaking harley's are a thing of the past.
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my drivers door is knocking.. i think i'll wrap electrical tape around the striker plate latch,,,, instead of raising the plate itself.
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note to self, its suit not suite.
damn grammar natzies.


diannakmommy ,, if that mold is on your rear seat, you can have mine.. its been out of the jeep for a year and i doubt i'll put it back in.
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second note to self,,, never wonder out loud on a pubic forum again.

5 years of grade skool and i sill kant speal correctly. damn public skool system.

crap almost forgot, everyone on this forum is perfect. guess i'll take my opinion and preparation-H and stand in a Conner.
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wow you guy's are harsh.. i should have worded my OP a little better, what i meant to say was.
i was just wondering why?
would i ever consider a law suit.. er no. waste of time and money.
does my top leak,, no, i fixed that a long time ago, and i did not take it to the dealer
i love my jeep and wheel the piss out of it.
my harley does not leak, leaking harley's are a thing of the past.
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my drivers door is knocking.. i think i'll wrap electrical tape around the striker plate latch,,,, instead of raising the plate itself.
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note to self, its suit not suite.
damn grammar natzies.

diannakmommy ,, if that mold is on your rear seat, you can have mine.. its been out of the jeep for a year and i doubt i'll put it back in.
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second note to self,,, never wonder out loud on a pubic forum again.

5 years of grade skool and i sill kant speal correctly. damn public skool system.

crap almost forgot, everyone on this forum is perfect. guess i'll take my opinion and preparation-H and stand in a Conner.
Lol
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wow you guy's are harsh.. i should have worded my OP a little better, what i meant to say was.
i was just wondering why?
would i ever consider a law suit.. er no. waste of time and money.
does my top leak,, no, i fixed that a long time ago, and i did not take it to the dealer
i love my jeep and wheel the piss out of it.
my harley does not leak, leaking harley's are a thing of the past.
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my drivers door is knocking.. i think i'll wrap electrical tape around the striker plate latch,,,, instead of raising the plate itself.
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note to self, its suit not suite.
damn grammar natzies.


diannakmommy ,, if that mold is on your rear seat, you can have mine.. its been out of the jeep for a year and i doubt i'll put it back in.
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second note to self,,, never wonder out loud on a pubic forum again.

5 years of grade skool and i sill kant speal correctly. damn public skool system.

crap almost forgot, everyone on this forum is perfect. guess i'll take my opinion and preparation-H and stand in a Conner.
Don't worry about "Grammer Natzis" they're just bored YUPPIES, with nothing really important to do, especially anything about jeeps-

I have an Internet Forum style of the english grammer and I useit for effect-correct-?-I don't give a rats-###

Thanx for expanding on your OP statement, I think you got the reaction that you wanted !

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You should know, that any time you JUST enter a statement, then leaveit alone for a FULL DAY--you're gonna get a lotta reactions-

Don't worry about "Grammer Natzis" they're just bored YUPPIES, with nothing really important to do, especially anything about jeeps-

I have an Internet Forum style of the english grammer and I useit for effect-correct-?-I don't give a rats-###

Thanx for expanding on your OP statement, I think you got the reaction that you wanted !

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well JIMBOX, i had to leave it alone, i went to work at 2pm and got in at 4am. and reading the forum while driving clients around in the limo scares the poop out of them.
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You should know, that any time you JUST enter a statement, then leaveit alone for a FULL DAY--you're gonna get a lotta reactions-

Don't worry about "Grammer Natzis" they're just bored YUPPIES, with nothing really important to do, especially anything about jeeps-

I have an Internet Forum style of the english grammer and I useit for effect-correct-?-I don't give a rats-###

Thanx for expanding on your OP statement, I think you got the reaction that you wanted !

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Hey now, lol as for your "Grammar Nazi" statement, of which I'm certain was directed at me. I'm quite far from yuppie. My comment wasn't so much about grammar as it was about the mentality of lawsuit happy people and the fact that most of them are uneducated and looking for the easy money not a solution to the problem. My statement wasn't an attack on the OP. I guess I should have been a little more clear as to my intentions.

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Well did you dry it off and air it out.... not if that mold/mildew is going on....
Do you know where the water is coming from, as far as leak location???

Seriously though jeeps can and do get wet all the time...
my 2010 was outside for 3 hours of pouring rain and dried out the next day no issues whatsoever....
Though if you don't open it up and let it dry out that's exactly what will happen...
9 times out of 10 the top, doors, and windshield just aren't aligned right...
Some time adjusting will likely fix it... if your dealer can't figure it out find a new one... My local dealer fixed 2 last week and haven't had an issue since...
My 2012 4dr hardtop leaked a few drops here and there and a quick cleaning of the seals and re-installation of the top and poof not a drop even in the car wash...
Every soft top vehicle leaks at some point whether noticeable or not...

There's only so much the sun can do when its 30 40 degs out. And yes I tried to dry it out the best I could. The dealer has replaced the top and it still leaks. Not as bad but they tried again and failed. I have been to 2 other shops with no luck.
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diannakmommy ,, if that mold is on your rear seat, you can have mine.. its been out of the jeep for a year and i doubt i'll put it back in.
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I wish it was but it would be right on my drivers seat.
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Hey now, lol as for your "Grammar Nazi" statement, of which I'm certain was directed at me. I'm quite far from yuppie. My comment wasn't so much about grammar as it was about the mentality of lawsuit happy people and the fact that most of them are uneducated and looking for the easy money not a solution to the problem. My statement wasn't an attack on the OP. I guess I should have been a little more clear as to my intentions.

I'd be out in my Jeep if the Damn thing would just show up!
I don't operate that way, if I'm unhappy about something someone has said and it pertains to me--I TELLEM-

That comment was directed at people that have nothing constructive to say about jeeps, just have the egotistical drive to correct "post" english, even if it's not required--I don't think you fall into that category !

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Old 09-19-2011, 12:55 PM   #60
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That Mold is Gross,, and very dangerous!!

Just when I was thinking Soft Top on my next Jeep too!!!

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